Vincent Janssen

[DiscoD1882]

It seems he has had to try and fit into our system rather than a system being created to suit him. Which means he's had to learn. I'm 100% convinced he will be lethal next season. He hits the ball very well. But has lacked confidence. I hope we keep him.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

Who would you like instead of Janssen to play second fiddle to Kane? He's the lead striker of one of the top 25-30 national teams in the world, lead a league abroad in scoring at 21/22 years old and is willing to be a second striker for the time being...Batshuayi? High wages. I saw Shane Long, really?! Andre Gray? Meh, not an improvement.

He played a bulk of his time within the first two months of the season and clearly hadn't adapted but from February going forward,he was a better player. He changed the Swansea game when he came on and in general looked much more comfortable.

He's still a young player and I don't see many clear upgrades available for the right price and wages. He deserves one more season to sink or swim. Open to hearing suggestions and thoughts.

This is the right kind of rant; the kind of rant that in hundreds of years ends of creating a new religion

 

[Grapo2001]

Jesus Christ, guys. Shane Long? 3 goals in about 1200 minutes in the EPL last year. Janssen had 2 in 830. Long is 30 years old. Janssen is 22. Shane Long has and always will be a mediocre EPL player. Janssen has room for improvement.

I'm trying to understand the logic. In what world does Shane Long make us a better team? How does he take us to the next level? Because he can run behind defenses and then fail to score?

Sorry, that struck a nerve. If we're going to offer up reasons to sell Janssen and replace him with someone, it sure as hell better be a player that actually improves the squad.

He doesn't make us a better team, I just think he is a better option than Janssen.

 

[Ionman34]

Like I've said I would like to see him given a chance but he does look slightly lacking in pace and in the modern game football stands still for no-one.
If the club bring in better than I'm afraid I will embrace it and Janssen will have to move on, because players come and go but the club is forever here and that for me is the most important thing.

I don't disagree shelf, the club always comes first and if they decide the VJ isn't going to make it then so be it. I would like to think though that they see in the boy what many of us do and afford him that little bit of patience to come good that they gave to the likes of Lamela and Son. His form has been fairly poor for sure, but we've seen that from some of our best players at various stages and they've pretty much all come good. Lamela and Son we've mentioned, but you could add Kane early doors, Rose when he came back from Sunderland, Walker in his second season, Eriksen in his earlier days, Dembele...

I really want him to succeed, firstly because he's a Spurs player and secondly because I could see him being extremely loyal to a club that showed faith in him. If he manages to turn it around then we could have a very good servant for a number of years.

Lastly, whilst pace is important, intelligent movement trumps it every time. There is an intelligence to Janssen's movement that, given time and maturity, could see him really kick on.

Only time will tell though, so I hope that he is given that time to prove me right.

 

[ebzrascal]

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I can understand wanting to give Janssen more time, he's had very little game time and given his age it's reasonable to suggest that in time he can come good (I unfortunately can't say I saw a great deal of improvement in him over the course of the year, the guy that finished the season looked no better or worse than the guy who played against Everton and Palace at the start of the season)

Soldado's lack of success and Son's improvement are not proof positive that Janssen will or won't improve, he's unique to either of them

My honest opinion based on what I have seen thus far is that he does not look good enough, I would personally be disappointed if we go in to next season as him as our main back up to Kane

However, I agree it will be difficult to find someone suitable to play second fiddle to Kane

If only we signed Dembele before him going to Celtic

Still, I think if we wait on Janssen we will be leaving ourselves short of options up front and be hoping for Kane to continue to perform heroically and break records again to keep us competitive (which to be fair is reasonable considering how consistent Kane has been)

I think Poch will have a good idea of Janssen's potential to improve with us and I think whether or not we seek a replacement will tell us his judgement on the player, personally I expect him to want to upgrade on Janssen but if we don't I will take it as a positive that Poch has assessed him and believes he can improve to the level we require (I know that contradicts my saying I would be disappointed if we do not upgrade him, that's because I am conflicted on this matter)

We should not be looking for a second fiddle we need someone who can play with and instead of Kane. Kane should not be playing 50 games next season unless we want to burn him out with the world cup etc

 

[Shea]

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We should not be looking for a second fiddle we need someone who can play with and instead of Kane. Kane should not be playing 50 games next season unless we want to burn him out with the world cup etc

we play one up top

Kane will play the majority of games unless he gets a serious injury

Do you really think it's feasible for us to have a second striker who is not second fiddle to Kane?

Even Chelsea with their oil money don't have that

 

[tiger666]

Kane should not be playing 50 games next season unless we want to burn him out with the world cup etc

Nonsense. He's a world class striker. If he's fit, he plays. Messi, Ronaldo, Lewandowski, PEA, Suarez etc all played 45 - 50 games last season.

 

[Khilari]

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We should not be looking for a second fiddle we need someone who can play with and instead of Kane. Kane should not be playing 50 games next season unless we want to burn him out with the world cup etc

I don't think Pochettino cares too much about World Cup commitments.

 

[DanielJohnCosta]

Rather him be sold to make way for someone else, better than rotting on a bench

 

[Japhet]

I can understand wanting to give Janssen more time, he's had very little game time and given his age it's reasonable to suggest that in time he can come good (I unfortunately can't say I saw a great deal of improvement in him over the course of the year, the guy that finished the season looked no better or worse than the guy who played against Everton and Palace at the start of the season)

Soldado's lack of success and Son's improvement are not proof positive that Janssen will or won't improve, he's unique to either of them

My honest opinion based on what I have seen thus far is that he does not look good enough, I would personally be disappointed if we go in to next season as him as our main back up to Kane

However, I agree it will be difficult to find someone suitable to play second fiddle to Kane

If only we signed Dembele before him going to Celtic

Still, I think if we wait on Janssen we will be leaving ourselves short of options up front and be hoping for Kane to continue to perform heroically and break records again to keep us competitive (which to be fair is reasonable considering how consistent Kane has been)

I think Poch will have a good idea of Janssen's potential to improve with us and I think whether or not we seek a replacement will tell us his judgement on the player, personally I expect him to want to upgrade on Janssen but if we don't I will take it as a positive that Poch has assessed him and believes he can improve to the level we require (I know that contradicts my saying I would be disappointed if we do not upgrade him, that's because I am conflicted on this matter)

I've said it before and I'll say it again - There is every possibility that if Janssen had gone to Celtic to play piss poor opposition every week he could have torn the SPL up. He needs to be given another season IMO.

 

[Ossie85]

Who would you like instead of Janssen to play second fiddle to Kane? He's the lead striker of one of the top 25-30 national teams in the world, lead a league abroad in scoring at 21/22 years old and is willing to be a second striker for the time being...Batshuayi? High wages. I saw Shane Long, really?! Andre Gray? Meh, not an improvement.

He played a bulk of his time within the first two months of the season and clearly hadn't adapted but from February going forward,he was a better player. He changed the Swansea game when he came on and in general looked much more comfortable.

He's still a young player and I don't see many clear upgrades available for the right price and wages. He deserves one more season to sink or swim. Open to hearing suggestions and thoughts.

I would prefer Patrick Schick. Playing for the Netherlands today is not much of an accomplishment. They are shit

I'm not too fussed if we keep insisting with him another season, but imo he's not improved one bit since he arrived at the club. I think it's more wishful thinking than anything. Most of you want him to make it at the club so bad, that any little thing he does well, gets exaggerated.

 

[BuckeyeSpurs11]

I would prefer Patrick Schick. Playing for the Netherlands today is not much of an accomplishment. They are shit

I'm not too fussed if we keep insisting with him another season, but imo he's not improved one bit since he arrived at the club. I think it's more wishful thinking than anything. Most of you want him to make it at the club so bad, that any little thing he does well, gets exaggerated.

Schick is supposed to be a fantastic player but isn't he moving closer on a move to Juventus?

 

[tiger666]

I would prefer Patrick Schick. Playing for the Netherlands today is not much of an accomplishment. They are shit

I'm not too fussed if we keep insisting with him another season, but imo he's not improved one bit since he arrived at the club. I think it's more wishful thinking than anything. Most of you want him to make it at the club so bad, that any little thing he does well, gets exaggerated.

And if Schick has a first season like Janssen? We get rid and move on to the next in-fashion striker?

 

[Lighty64]

He played 829 minutes. That strike rate would be Messi standard and let's be honest, even if he did score at that rate you'd find some other part of his game to rag on. You've had it in for him since he joined.

correction before he joined

 

[Ossie85]

And if Schick has a first season like Janssen? We get rid and move on to the next in-fashion striker?

I doubt he would have a first season as bad as Janssen's. I have to go all the way back to Raziak to name a striker with such a terrible first season

The thing with Janssen is that I don't see how can he improve. He works very hard everytime he's on the pitch. He gives his all and it's still not good enough. Not even close. I fear he just doesn't have the tools to become a decent PL striker

 

[Ionman34]

I would prefer Patrick Schick. Playing for the Netherlands today is not much of an accomplishment. They are shit

I'm not too fussed if we keep insisting with him another season, but imo he's not improved one bit since he arrived at the club. I think it's more wishful thinking than anything. Most of you want him to make it at the club so bad, that any little thing he does well, gets exaggerated.

Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not there, nor is it "most", that is just lazy generalisation. Some see it, some don't. The only way we will be sure is if he's given the opportunity next season.

If he does well then it just gives the naysayers the opportunity to focus their negativity on the next player to have a drop in form.

 

[Ossie85]

Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not there, nor is it "most", that is just lazy generalisation. Some see it, some don't. The only way we will be sure is if he's given the opportunity next season.

If he does well then it just gives the naysayers the opportunity to focus their negativity on the next player to have a drop in form.

LOL naysayers??

Not being stupidly optimistic, doesn't make you a pessimist. I'm optimistic with almost every one, including the club. Janssen is the exception.

And yes, of course. What I say is my point of view. That's why I wrote IMO. What do you think he has improved since he arrived at the club?

 

[Ionman34]

LOL naysayers??

Not being stupidly optimistic, doesn't make you a pessimist. I'm optimistic with almost every one, including the club. Janssen is the exception.

And yes, of course. What I say is my point of view. That's why I wrote IMO. What do you think he has improved since he arrived at the club?

Read my earlier post, I laid it all out in black and white.

I have the same optimism regarding Janssen as I had with Rose, Lamela, Kane and Eriksen. I got similar responses then to yours now.

"Stupidly" optimistic, or an ability to see potential?

 

[Sweech]

I doubt he would have a first season as bad as Janssen's. I have to go all the way back to Raziak to name a striker with such a terrible first season

The thing with Janssen is that I don't see how can he improve. He works very hard everytime he's on the pitch. He gives his all and it's still not good enough. Not even close. I fear he just doesn't have the tools to become a decent PL striker

It took Janssen 28 shots before he scored his first goal in the Eredevisie and then he went on to win the golden boot. It took him 25 to score his first with us in the Premier League.

The only difference is that he wasn't given the chances to go on a tear like he did before.

He clearly has a lot of tools - I'm not sure how someone can say otherwise.

 

[Cruyff]

I'm guessing he'll stay but I'm guessing Poch is not impressed yet given his lack of playing time - we've been thrashing teams and he's still been left on the bench or come on very late.