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ShadyRay

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#41
Ha ha, great thread!

Sherigmann and ThinkTank have both tried to give it the big one, and both got ripped apart by more intelligent people. Genius :lol:
 

MattyP

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#43
I wonder what Steffen Freund, or his brother Sigmund, would have made of all this :shrug:

Anyway, positivity is my preference, though each to their own.
 
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#44
What a small, sad individual you are. I'm not going to waste my time any further. You keep your negativity. I'll carry on thinking about the good things, thanks.

Yes, Ricky, we will stuff them!
Perceptive as well. :roll:

Anyway, thanks for the exercise, that was fun :hello:
 

walworthyid

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#45
This has got to be one of the most stupid threads I have read on here followed by some equally stupid comments.

Thinktank, get a life.

Sheringman, are you having a radox herbal? How the hell can you seriously make such nonsensical statements and expect to be taken seriously. As has been pointed out what we type tends to reflect our personality and general outlook on life. I eat, shit, piss and live spurs, after my kids spurs is what I do, it is what I am and what I truly love. I HATE how this season has gone, it has been an absolute disaster. But what the hell is the point in constantly whining and whinging about it? It is not that I don't WANT to moan and whinge, in real life I do quite alot of both, it is the futility of it that prevents me generally from doing so.

You can look at most things in a multitude of ways, we SHOULD have won at Anfield, we SHOULD have won at FULHAM, BOLTON AND OT. But we did not, that we did not is not all down to bad management/players etc. There is not always something to moan about.

What gets me the most is that moaning fans always moan, they always see the negatives and as far as I am concerned deserve all they get.
 

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#46
Agree with your original post.

My view is that there are fans who adopt a 'spurs fan' persona, they act how they think a loyal football supporter should act, regardless of the situation. The model they subscribe to is one where the spurs supporter is a cheerleader and apologist for the team/manager whatever happens and in doing so they 'prove' to everyone else that they are far more of a fan...than anyone else; the bestist fan in the whole wide world. Not true fans in my opinion.

They label anyone who has a critical word to say as a non-believer and a heretic and attempt to banish them from the kingdom of the pure. The irony is that the ones who 'criticize' (and I don't mean the unreasonably hyper-critical ones that are never satisfied and have absolutely no perspective on the game at all; I mean the ones that make reasonable/rational/logical points) are the ones I class as true supporters, they are ones who want to drive the club forward and see us succeed at the highest level and are not content with mediocrity.

There are some fans that have battered wives syndrome and will excuse the husband whatever. They are grateful for any 'crumb' they are given. They lose all perspective and their value system is shot to pieces.

I've supported this club all my life and have seen the highs and lows and loved this club through it all, that love I have for the club is what drives my passion to will us to succeed and progress, it also drives my anger and annoyance at the things we do that prevent this from happening.

So, we have a lot of people, as supporters, who are more than comfortable with the status quo, they've been there before, they know it well, it's almost strangely reassuring to be back in the arena of the average again. They still have all the tools to deal with it and reason it out and are more than willing to do so, to again, set themselves aside from the Judas mob.

I enjoyed writing that, that was very cathartic. :)

I am sorry but i do not agree. I too have defended the manager on these boards and i too have been critical of some of the people that post on these boards. However i do not consider myself to be akin to a battered wife for want of a better analogy.

My house is not a pleasant place to be when we lose or play badly or bollox things up in the last minute or give a piss poor performance away to sunderland etc. I can see the deficiencies in Robinson's play for example and can see too that Chimbonda and Dawson ain't as great as people were making out not that long ago. I am not a Jenas fan and i like to see Defoe play HOWEVER i do not do knee jerk!

I can see that destabilising the club because of the voices of a discontented few that shout loudest will do more harm than good. I can see that scrapping everything and starting all over will set OUR club, OUR team back. I may be wrong of course, but it is not a question of putting up with the status quo. It is about the realisation that this club has finished 5th in the last two seasons. All would agree that to finish any higher was impossible in that time. We should arguably have won at least one cup last year, but not doing so should not be seen as failure. It is football. And against Seville (Uefa cup) we were unlucky, against Arsenal (League cup) we were naive and perhaps it was a mixture of both against Chelsea (FA Cup). But we progressed enough to be in that position last season.

But i can see that we have been progressing and whilst i am not happy either with the club's start, or that we are in the bottom four right now, i can see that we have the component parts to get out of this mess. We are unbeaten in six (admittedly four draws) but we are stabilising the ship that was rocked firstly by our board and then by the media and now our own fans.

I hear everyone arguing about who should play up front, when we are the third highest scorers in the division. So the emphasis of discussion and improvement should be where? Defence? More than likely and this is where the problems lie. If we address this then how rosier things would be of course. But watching the Liverpool game i could see that we played well. We played well against Man Utd away. Had any other team come back from 4-1 down at home to draw then they would have been praised. But for Spurs its never good enough, cos we didn't win. Cos we didn't have 60% of the posession. Cos Defoe didn't come. Cos Defoe did come on. Cos......we all know best.

I don't think any squad is perfect. It is about offsetting the minuses with the pluses and i can see that there is still some hope and i need to believe that there is. I don't need ill informed people telling me how shit we are.

The point is to remain reasoned and not just blinded by loyalty of course, and to remain behind the club. So perhaps you believe that by criticizing the club makes you a better supporter because you hurt more. I tell you we are all hurting, but not losing perspective whilst hurting is important. Trying to make the "shouter's" and screamers on this board see that things aren't as bad as they appear doesn't mean we all live in the kingdom of the pure.
 

Gilzeanking

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#47
I have commented in the past about the aggression shown to those who criticise the status quo at Spurs .

Its less now imo .

I think the status quo defenders can sometimes be a bit confused between being at a match and being on this board and their ire is boosted at negative remarks as if the players/staff could actually hear and be affected by the negativity .

This isn't the case I don't reckon .
 
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#48
I do wonder if you get arguments like that on the west ham, arsenal and chelsea forums... It took twice as long as normal to get through this thread as I had to look up numerous words and theories on line before moving on to the responce.
 

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#49
I have commented in the past about the aggression shown to those who criticise the status quo at Spurs .

Its less now imo .

I think the status quo defenders can sometimes be a bit confused between being at a match and being on this board and their ire is boosted at negative remarks as if the players/staff could actually hear and be affected by the negativity .

This isn't the case I don't reckon .
So ... many ... double ... negatives. All ... meaning ... lost. :wink:

I catch your meaning - but people feel the right to be positive an express their opinion is exatly that: a right. And it is - and no-one can tell them otherwise.

I like to surround myself (in life) with positive people, and I will continue to be one of those positive people also - whether a quo defender or not - if there's a positive to be had, t'will be brought forward.
 

walworthyid

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#50
I have commented in the past about the aggression shown to those who criticise the status quo at Spurs .

Its less now imo .

I think the status quo defenders can sometimes be a bit confused between being at a match and being on this board and their ire is boosted at negative remarks as if the players/staff could actually hear and be affected by the negativity .

This isn't the case I don't reckon .
What does that even mean? A status quo defender? Is that a roady/bodyguard? Or a government soldier?

That is just nonsense. We ALL want spurs to be the greatest(we already are) and most successful team on the planet for the next million years. We all have different opinions over how this will be achieved or if we are going in the right direction etc. None of us WANT us to lose.

What many people get fed up with is when the sasme people come on the boards after every match moaning about robbo, jol,levy, ledley, dawson, lennon, in fact, about everything they can possibly think of. These people then embolden other like-minded individuals and before we know it every thread is gradually suffocated by this insidious negativity.

It is not wrong, or right, it is BLOODY ANNOYING! That is why people start getting abusive.

Look forward, it is what keeps us all going back, the belief, or more often the hope. that next week/month/year/decade we will be better. That we'll be able to hold on for a famous victory at Anfield, or finally beat the scum from up the road. That is what it is all about, hopes and dreams. If you all are so negative, why do you even bother? When you think that Jol is the worst manager in the world, Robbo the worst keeper, Keano the most frustrating, Berbo the least committed, how do you carry on?

I for one can just about take a knee-jerk postmatch comment, what I cannot, and should not have to, take is constant moaning about my team.

As far as I am concerned the naysayers should be ruthlessly chased away or forced to recant their sins.

AMEN
 

PYiddy

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#53
As I said in my post: MOST of the sentences were true..., who cares if we should have or would have...the thing is we did not and here are the stats:

Shots (on Goal)23(9)12(6)Fouls1810Corner Kicks53Offsides13Time of Possession56%44%Yellow Cards01Red Cards00Saves45

Look at shots on goal and possession plz

And again: Would Bent have been on the bench? If so....are you still HAPPY with that? Is that POSITIVE?

Both Levy and Jol has said before that we aim for the Champions League...so many times that i dont even bother looking for a quote......no I guess u will deny it then so here goes:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/t/tottenham_hotspur/6957639.stm


If we were pushed or sat back? What do you think? Did we get pushed back by Fulham, Sunderland? If so....is that POSITIVE? are you HAPPY then?

if most were true, then some must be false. so why are u posting false statements?

dont expect to be taken seriously if you are blatantly admitting even you dont believe some of the things that come out of your own mouth
 

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#55
I'll defend their right to do what ever they want, even if it is Rockin' All Over The World.

And I like it.
 

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Thread starter #56
This is like arguing with the missus....this is because..and u went..and then i said...and u did not...and so on.....great!

Well...this thread has made me smile again though..... :)
 

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#57
Agree with your original post.

My view is that there are fans who adopt a 'spurs fan' persona, they act how they think a loyal football supporter should act, regardless of the situation. The model they subscribe to is one where the spurs supporter is a cheerleader and apologist for the team/manager whatever happens and in doing so they 'prove' to everyone else that they are far more of a fan...than anyone else; the bestist fan in the whole wide world. Not true fans in my opinion.

They label anyone who has a critical word to say as a non-believer and a heretic and attempt to banish them from the kingdom of the pure. The irony is that the ones who 'criticize' (and I don't mean the unreasonably hyper-critical ones that are never satisfied and have absolutely no perspective on the game at all; I mean the ones that make reasonable/rational/logical points) are the ones I class as true supporters, they are ones who want to drive the club forward and see us succeed at the highest level and are not content with mediocrity.

There are some fans that have battered wives syndrome and will excuse the husband whatever. They are grateful for any 'crumb' they are given. They lose all perspective and their value system is shot to pieces.

I've supported this club all my life and have seen the highs and lows and loved this club through it all, that love I have for the club is what drives my passion to will us to succeed and progress, it also drives my anger and annoyance at the things we do that prevent this from happening.

So, we have a lot of people, as supporters, who are more than comfortable with the status quo, they've been there before, they know it well, it's almost strangely reassuring to be back in the arena of the average again. They still have all the tools to deal with it and reason it out and are more than willing to do so, to again, set themselves aside from the Judas mob.

I enjoyed writing that, that was very cathartic. :)
Cathartic's not really the word I'd use...

:-|
 
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#59
What many people get fed up with is when the sasme people come on the boards after every match moaning about robbo, jol,levy, ledley, dawson, lennon, in fact, about everything they can possibly think of. These people then embolden other like-minded individuals and before we know it every thread is gradually suffocated by this insidious negativity.

It is not wrong, or right, it is BLOODY ANNOYING! That is why people start getting abusive.

Look forward, it is what keeps us all going back, the belief, or more often the hope. that next week/month/year/decade we will be better. That we'll be able to hold on for a famous victory at Anfield, or finally beat the scum from up the road. That is what it is all about, hopes and dreams. If you all are so negative, why do you even bother? When you think that Jol is the worst manager in the world, Robbo the worst keeper, Keano the most frustrating, Berbo the least committed, how do you carry on?

I for one can just about take a knee-jerk postmatch comment, what I cannot, and should not have to, take is constant moaning about my team.

As far as I am concerned the naysayers should be ruthlessly chased away or forced to recant their sins.

AMEN
there are extremes on both ends of the scale, ridculously critical and ridiculously positive.

To me both are annoyin. However, I would say when the team are struggling, the "critics" so to speak, are more justified in what they are saying, regardless of how annoying you may find it.

Maybe they dont offer solutions, but equally saying "we got a draw at anfield - good result" also does nothing to solve the problems that were evident in the game.

I find myself arguing more on the side of the "wrist slitters" because to me they are pointing out where to improve, although admittedly sometimes in quite a strong tone which i may not necessarily agree with.

If we had had a blistering start to the season, I'd be more aligned with the positive ppl, but that is not the situation we find ourselves in at the moment.
 

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#60
I'm always rather suspicious of threads which seem to justify a given point of view, be it positive or negative, based on little more than statistical evidence. It suggests to me a lack of knowledge and understanding of the game itself. If that wasn't the case then conclusions, not necessarily the same ones, would surely be arrived at by means of football theory rather than statistical analysis a la Charles Hughes.

Take the 55% vs 45% possession argument which often crops up. Does it not depend on what is done with the ball, how long each piece of possession lasts, how they end, where they take place and more critically the tactical ploys and footballing skills that are employed in achieving this to draw any truly worthwhile conclusions?

Given the same 55% vs 45% argument, do the propagators not appreciate that if the ball spends just a further 4 minutes and 30 seconds in the possession of the 45% team, the figures become even? Much the same can be said of other statitistically based arguments.
 
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