We hate Harry/"player"/Levy/Spurs...

[cabinfever]

My Uncle took me to WHL in 1965 0r it could have been 1967 to see Spurs play Liverpool. I was a season ticket holder travelling down from Peterborough from around 1980 until 1995. After that date i had work commitments that meant that to buy a season ticket would have been a waste of money. I don't get down to the Lane as often as I should and split my time between England and America. I have however seen every game (full games) this past two seasons (on TV) and am still a commited fan.

I see great improvement in the team without a doubt (as we all should do) but i also have many doubts over the ability of Levy to deliver success on a consistant basis on where it matters and that is on the pitch. I dont' consider it a constructive plan to engage in the competition to own a stadium out of the Borough given the constraints of the criteria that was stated and that Spurs were clearly from the off not going to adhere to. It was a hit and hope plan (in my opinion). It segregated support (when we needed it most) and has left Spurs and their Chairman with egg on their face and has dented their credibility within the Borough. Again this is only as i see it.

On tranfer policy the only policy i see is buy cheap and sell high. Ashavin is one example where we ended up with the worst of the two players on offer (at that time) and had to buy at the end of the transefer window (i think Pav came very late indeed if my memory is correct). Same with VDV where we got very lucky, and the fact that we were in the CL. This last tranfer window proved that Levy wants to buy cheap and sell high. Liverpool moved swiftly and concisely and brought Surez and Carroll. There was no cast iron guarantee that Liverpool would be playing in Europe next season let alone CL Footie yet Daglish still managed to get two proven (though with Carroll perhaps too early) goal scorers.

We were in desperate need of at least one goal scorer. Nothing happend. There were stories of 38 million being offered here and 25 million being offered there (as is the case over the past couple of years) but not since Sugar was Chairman has the club brought a true out and out goalscorer. No rumours, or inuendo at that time just wham bam heres your Klinsman!

If Levy was as determined to sign a goalscorer as he said he was that would in all likelyhood got us Champions League football for next season then he would have done it. Liverpool and Chel$ea moved very quickly (less than a week) to rebuild their forward line. After 30 days and ten hours in January the best Levy could offer was a derisory offer for Neville and a last ten minutes try for Adams. Please don't try to convince me that by buying either or both our biggest problem that of scoring goals would have simply vanished.

I rarely use offensive language on this (or any) board, and can be sarcastic but as a passionate and liftime fan (all of forty odd years) i can usually cut through the fog and bullshit to recognise someone who has failed on two fronts over the past few seasons, and that person for me, and this is only my opinion is Daniel Levy.

Banish me from this forum but my thoughts on this will not change.

Gaz, the tone in this post is so much better than many of yours and the content is also thought provoking.

I suspect if you posted like this more often people might actually agree with you!!.

 

[millsey]

Best post in months which, I suspect, captures the feelings of many people who use this site.

dito

id love this site to get back to reasoned chat and discussion on spurs.this is for peoples opinions,but as ive said befoe,theres an agenda with some people that is just plain crazy.i dont think ive read the words defoe is rubbish get him out the team.yet hes scored no goals in the league this season!harry cant take us further or harry out or levys a joke,i have seen 100 times.i dont get it

 

[JuanRebelde]

Personally, too many people seem to have a better idea of running a multi million pound company and have a better know how of a football player and structure of a football team than the people being paid a hell of a lot of money that do.

I think I am right in saying that Cameron and Clegg have a 'whole' 18 months commercial experience between them yet are paid a hell of a lot of money to run UK PLC. So, being in a position doesn't necessarily mean you are qualified to be there, that you are up to the job or even the best person for the job. Business, sport and politics are full of examples of this.

 

[akie]

Great Post, moaning is niether helpful or construtive, especially considering how well the team is performing

 

[davidmatzdorf]

My Uncle took me to WHL in 1965 0r it could have been 1967 to see Spurs play Liverpool...

I see great improvement in the team without a doubt (as we all should do) but i also have many doubts over the ability of Levy to deliver success on a consistant basis on where it matters and that is on the pitch...

On tranfer policy the only policy i see is buy cheap and sell high...

We were in desperate need of at least one goal scorer. Nothing happend...

If Levy was as determined to sign a goalscorer as he said he was that would in all likelyhood got us Champions League football for next season then he would have done it...

Banish me from this forum but my thoughts on this will not change.

Great. Post reasoned stuff like that once and no one will have a problem. I disagree with virtually all of it, but it's a coherent, detailed argument that one can discuss in the appropriate thread, which isn't here.

But you've been posting one or two line attacks on the management in every thread on the board, irrespective of the topic of the thread, using the slightest hint in an article or in someone else's post to twist the topic of the thread around so you can have your tenth or twelfth mini-rant on one of your favourite topics. That's not OK: it's called hijacking a thread. we have (OK Geez) 10-20 members all doing it and it's ruining the board. If people keep doing it, they should be chucked off the board, because it's basically oppressive behaviour that ruins the experience for everyone else.

 

[Azrael]

Your thread entitled "I see Defoe didn't score again" wasn't really one for 'debating' was it mate? We all know who you don't like because you never stop going on about it. We get it, now let other discuss things thank you very much.

Yes. Nothing to debate. Thats why it has thus far generated 6 pages of debate without my involvement.

Yeah, nothing to debate there. :roll:

 

[CheltYid]

Yes. Nothing to debate. Thats why it has thus far generated 6 pages of debate without my involvement.

Yeah, nothing to debate there. :roll:

The phrase 'light the touchpaper and retire' springs to mind, as you well know.:roll:

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

Personally, too many people seem to have a better idea of running a multi million pound company and have a better know how of a football player and structure of a football team than the people being paid a hell of a lot of money that do.

I think that if you are a shareholder you have every right to question Management decisions, whether they be seen as good, poor or indifferent. I don't doubt that Harry has more experience than any of us posting on here, and that Levy has a more than one business degree that got him the job as Chairman. I don't see though why opinion should not be fostered for the good of debate. Surely Blair should have been questioned regarding the Iraq war even though he had been in politics for many years prior, and had Middle East experience?

 

[Azrael]

The phrase 'light the touchpaper and retire' springs to mind, as you well know.:roll:

Oh, hang on, before I kept banging on about things.

Make up your mind pal. :rofl:

 

[davidmatzdorf]

I think that if you are a shareholder you have every right to question Management decisions, whether they be seen as good, poor or indifferent. I don't doubt that Harry has more experience than any of us posting on here, and that Levy has a more than one business degree that got him the job as Chairman. I don't see though why opinion should not be fostered for the good of debate. Surely Blair should have been questioned regarding the Iraq war even though he had been in politics for many years prior, and had Middle East experience?

The same point applies again: by all means, discuss and raise questions about management decisions. But that is not the same thing as posting repetitive moans, accusations and bits of gratuitous bitchery on every thread on the site.

 

[kicked]

Hey Gaz_Gammon, sorry to single you out. At least you have given an argued opinion with out any abuse or ridicule. I don't agree with parts, but i see and understand why you have your view. Personally, I think the board are doing a very good job, keeping Spurs viable and in a far better condition for when this new financial ruling comes in. However, may i highlight something for you? Yes, why thank you..

'On tranfer policy the only policy i see is buy cheap and sell high. Ashavin is one example where we ended up with the worst of the two players on offer (at that time) and had to buy at the end of the transefer window (i think Pav came very late indeed if my memory is correct). Same with VDV where we got very lucky, and the fact that we were in the CL. This last tranfer window proved that Levy wants to buy cheap and sell high. Liverpool moved swiftly and concisely and brought Surez and Carroll. There was no cast iron guarantee that Liverpool would be playing in Europe next season let alone CL Footie yet Daglish still managed to get two proven (though with Carroll perhaps too early) goal scorers.

Daglish only managed to get these players because he knew Chelsea were going to offer serious cash (Romans...not Chelseas!) How much they were going to push for was the question. So with that they knew they would at least get what they paid for Torres..ie £25mil? So, with knowing he was off, they put in what Ajax were asking as they would obviously need a top striker to replace a (off-firing) top striker. Now...they managed to squeeze Rom..I mean Chelsea for £50 mil! So they thought..what the heck. lets go for Carroll and bid big as Newcastle will not let their STAR player go cheap! So they did. They have taken a calculated punt! If Carroll lives up to his billing...! Basically, Suarez and Caroll effectively cost Liverpool £10mil. I am not saying thats exactly how it happened, but that would no doubt be the economics. If Rom..I mean Chelsea didn't pay 50mil, Liverpool wouldnt have got Caroll. If Rom...Chelsea didn't want Torres...he may have gone to Man city, if not....Liverpool wouldn't have got Suarez! As for the other ones we went for, if indeed we did, they didn't want to come here because of the quality of life they were having etc etc. Would you leave Spain for here for an extra couple of quid a week...then lose it in tax?? The need for a striker is great, but as you have said, you have supported Spurs for many years and i won't need to remind you how our need for a striker made us over spend on G Rasiak and B Zamora??!!
The board has its faults, yes. BMJ is a prime example, however, it has backed the manager with cash for new players has it not! Arshavin...if i remember rightly, Zenit were taking the mick and kept upping the price when it was originally agreed>? They also did the same to Arse, but Arse were wise to it after seeing what they did to us....oh, and he hasn't really set them alight has he?!
My final thought...if it hadn't been for the board and keeping us out of the crap, the rumours flying on here were thet we were offered VDV cos we could pay cash when the others couldn't?!
We definatly are a top 5 club, and we have a top 5 board at least!
Cheers

 

[CheltYid]

Oh, hang on, before I kept banging on about things.

Make up your mind pal. :rofl:

:bang:

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Hey Cabinfever, sorry to single you out...

I think you'll find that was Gaz_Gammon, not cabinfever.

 

[kicked]

I know, Just realise...my bad ooops

 

[Stavrogin]

we have come so far why are we not enjoying it?

Football and what it means to people has changed. These days we're flattered with every possible bit of information we could ask for (as well as a whole lot else) and at every moment we're encouraged to make a narrative of it, to make sense of it, as if our opinion matters and as if there's meaning behind everything.

It's nonsense of course, it's all done to wed us to a product. The problem is we begin to feel a sense of ownership and entitlement towards it - since we've spent so much time rationalising it - so when things don't go the way we want or our impotence is blatently exposed we react negatively and, as many have said, childishly - because that's the essence of the relationship. There are massive overreactions, unreasonable expectations and stubborness.

It's why no matter how successful we become there will always be those sulking on the sidelines because they've been left feeling marginalised by events beyond their control.

And some people are just nutcases.

 

[felmani26]

I think everyone on here respects certain opinions more than others and choose to ignore the more provocative ones - that's part and parcel of a site such as this.

Personally though, as long as people can justify their posts then for me that makes their opinion as valid as anyone else's.

 

[vigospur]

I loved this post.
It's the anger and spite of the antis that I don't understand. And what looks like gloating if we lose!
I watched Laurie Brown and Ian Moores without ever doubting that everyone at the Club (players and manager) were doing their best and were worth supporting.

 

[millsey]

but levy tried to buy a striker!he offered 35 million for rossi,although a terrific player,isnt worth that.how many world class strikers are there out there?who wants to sell them?what happens when people bid for bale and modric this summer?we all hope we will say no dont we,which is what other clubs have done with there top strikers.if we want one we will have to pay massively for one,and we dont have the money of man city or pay the wages of utd.hence the bid for the os stadium.i dont think for a second levy lacks ambition.as a business he couldnt do the deal he wanted.sure we could have outbid liverpool for 35 mill on carroll but that wouldnt have done levy any favours.
on the same line,i hope we have identified and are working already to get a striker in the summer.the longer we plan this the easier it will be to get the right man,right deal

 

[beuller]

I must admit, I don't post a great deal on this site anymore. I was once banned for 2 weeks for calling someone a rude word... (stokespur) I think.. i can't be sure but I think I was trying to defend Martin Jol as the internet vultures circled for his head and I went a step too far.

I can't work out whether the board is more negative now then it was at the end of Jol's days. There certainly does seem to be a small number of posters who will never be happy and make it abundantly clear.

I mean these posts are even coming after 3 wins on the bounce when we haven't played particularly well. That never happens to us! I am over the moon. Away at Sunderland! Get out of here!

I would never advocate bannings for people who I didn't agree with. But these people need to look at themselves. We have some wonderful players and are playing Milan in the Champions League next week.

Yes, Redknapp is a bit of a cliche at times and we didn't get the players we wanted in January but please, let's grow up a little bit.

Levy has progressed this club a fair way and deserves credit for that. He has certainly earned some slack for a disappointing window. Get over it. Try not to let it get in the way of every post.

Redknapp is not my cup of tea as mouth-piece for our club but again, it's not enough to make me forget how good we look under him at times. He gives players the freedom and confience to play some great stuff. We beat teams without trying to stifle the life out of them.

Perspective is needed.

 

[Jaispurs]

I quite regularly find myself annoyed with some posters who talk like they are in the inside of the club. Many after probing 'watch all the games on TV'.
Now not to start another debate but however great your TV coverage is, it follows the ball. At the game, you don't necessarily follow the ball you see the whole game, the full game itself. TV will never take the place of being there as you only see a snapshot of the field.
Do these Crouch haters see how Crouch puts fear into defenses? How Crouch creates space for our midfield to push up and support him? How he has two defenders trying to outjump him for the ball and pick up the knock down when the ball is in the other half? No you see Dawson kick it from right centre back and the camera follows the ball to Crouch who is jumping left of centre half way into the oppositions half. Crouch may miss a header and the play moves back but as we win the ball with 2 of the back four focused on Crouch its flicked to Lennon who passes to Modric, on to VDV goal. Its Crouch that has made the space for the goal to happen even though he is not necessarily involved. All you see on TV is Crouch missing a header ?
Look at the game when Crouch doesn't play. Most of the balls come straight back as the defenders have time to control their headers to their own players.

What has this got to do with this thread? Its the guys who say all the rubbish who don't go to the games or are so bevvied that they don't really see the game.

A guy I have never seen before was about 5 seats in front of me at the Bolton game. All he did was spout cr*p at Jenas for 60 mins. A slightly loose pass 'Thats why I hate you Jenas' but the guy wasn't following the game. We should have been 5 up at half time because JJ was getting in amongst it and harrowing their midfielders. Its not necessarily about 40 yard Hoddle-esque passing, or jinking Ginola runs. Its about team play and as soon as JJ went on his 30 yard lung bust and then hit the post from the subsequent free kick the guy shut up.

These 'once' in a blue moon 'fans' spout rubbish, sing rubbish 'stand up if you hate Arsenal' - yes we know who you are when you have a ticket and think they know how to right all the 'wrongs'

Tell me a season in the last 30 years when we have won 6 away games by February including Villa, Sunderland, Stoke, Fulham, Blackburn and L'Arse and only lost 5 games?