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Fookin' Legend in Gin Alley
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So you're saying that if you were missing your best RB and therefore having to play a kid there whose not ready, and your best CB and organiser who is replaced by a player who knows little of his team-mates or system and starting his first ever game that somehow the all conquering Spurs team would STILL be firing on all cylinders and would still beat a team you only just beat due to a penalty?

Behave. Of course it had an effect. we were defensively solid every game this season so far with our first choice defence and had a dodgy defensive display when 3 of our 4 usual starting defenders were out. It obviously made a difference anyone who wants to can see that.

We battered them in the first half as well before putting in an abysmal 2nd half showing were we looked tired and totally unfit, so a draw was a fair result in my book. We didn't deserve the win but didn't deserve to lose either based on our 1st half display.

Its good to know that now were also only taking into account a team's LAST performance when judging a teams ability and chances this season, and all the ones before that are irrelevant. I'll remember that if you only draw or lose your next game after an impressive display against Norwich.

Some people here are so desperate to believe Liverpool are still as bad as the last few years they they are ignoring anything that suggests this obviously isn't true. Like I said we'll be a lot less than 12 pts off 4th this season. I'm confident of that.


If we were without Vertonghen and Walker, and Chiriches and Naughton played instead, and we drew in the manner you had tonight, I would not be blaming the loss of those two defensive players.

I'd be more pissed off about how our midfield failed to last more than a half of football before becoming overrun. I'd be worried about how bad we looked after our number 10 went off injured. I'd be annoyed that a player from Swansea City had to gift us 2 goals so we could draw with them.

Most teams are without a couple of first-choice players every match. It's a squad game and therefore missing 2 players cannot be an excuse.
 

ShelfSide18

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Aug 23, 2006
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Carragher made himself look like a complete muppet there. Thought he was doing well until he came out with that guff.

Neville tried to be diplomatic, but Scholes was better a player than either of them IMO. Not even a fucking contest really regarding Lampard.

Xavi even mentions Scholes. Not your typical English player, but the side should of been built around him. Makes your blood boil at the fuck wits who have been involved in managing England as well.

Did we really turf Scholes out on to the left wing, have we really only given Carrick 26 caps? Mate, I don't think we'd have done that much differently had these 2 exceptions to English football been better used, it wouldn't have reversed successive generational failure from grassroots to elite level, nor the stone age banality that passes off as debate about football around the nation which has embedded itself into our culture - but it wouldn't have fucking done any more harm.

I guess this brings me back to the point about Gary Neville and his punditry. No, he's no oracle as BC says, but he instigates a debate that is a few levels up from the banality of your average pundit, and this has only been good for the game. He clearly does his research, he has taken his coaching badges to gain more insight and continue learning rather than sit back and arrogantly think he knows it all. It's a small step that might just assist in dragging us out of the Jurassic period of football discussion and understanding in this country.

Lecture over, I need a piss.
 

ShelfSide18

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Why apologise for him, I'd happily see every decent international we have fake an injury for two weeks every international break.

Fuck knows, if I was an English footballer, I'd fake injury rather than be associated with the stigma of playing for England.


Fuck knows what you'd do then to not associate yourself with playing for Scotland then, fake your own death?
 

talkshowhost86

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If we were without Vertonghen and Walker, and Chiriches and Naughton played instead, and we drew in the manner you had tonight, I would not be blaming the loss of those two defensive players.

I'd be more pissed off about how our midfield failed to last more than a half of football before becoming overrun. I'd be worried about how bad we looked after our number 10 went off injured. I'd be annoyed that a player from Swansea City had to gift us 2 goals so we could draw with them.

Most teams are without a couple of first-choice players every match. It's a squad game and therefore missing 2 players cannot be an excuse.


Such as when we controlled the game against Swansea without the majority of our new signings...just as a totally unrelated example.
 

ShelfSide18

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What rating would you give shelvey tonight. Genuinely one of the strangest performances I've seen for a while. Scored and created one, fcuked up twice for them, but still always wanted the ball. Don't know if it was a 3or 7 out of 10?


In fairness to the kid, he never stopped looking for the ball which I liked - he could have hid but he made amends for his horror cock ups with the assist, and helped dominate Liverpool's midfield which must be praised.

But yeah, in a match ratings thread, I'd be fucked if I knew how to rate his game out of 10.
 

CowInAComa

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At home by a penalty. Thats some swatting that. The only team thats looked properly impressive so far this season in the top 4 race is Arsenal and now with Ozil their 100% dead certs for 4th in my humble opinion, God help us if they buy a top Striker in Jan because, without injuries, thats all their missing and they'll be gone into the distance.


ha.

stay away from the ledge.
 

CowInAComa

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At home by a penalty. Thats some swatting that. The only team thats looked properly impressive so far this season in the top 4 race is Arsenal and now with Ozil their 100% dead certs for 4th in my humble opinion, God help us if they buy a top Striker in Jan because, without injuries, thats all their missing and they'll be gone into the distance.

wait.... ive now seen your other posts. Youre a bitter scouse fan...

so angry, so bitter. I genuinely wouldnt have bothered responding.

Dont be bitter. We are nice really. x
 

Legend10

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It's interesting how somebody could describe Arsenal as properly impressive so far?

Villa (at home) - a compete shambles

Fulham (away) - controlled the game and deservedly took the points

Spurs (home) - got the win but were far from impressive and spent the majority of the game defending their area

Sunderland (away) - lets face it Sunderand are awful, but if not for a hand from the ref were struggling.

If anybody believes Arsenal have been truly impressive so far or have shown anything to suggest that they are 100% cents for the top 4 then they need to either stop drinking so heavily or stop watching football. They have clear defensive issues and defensive midfield player issues that even Carragher has managed to spot, plus no depth in either area.

Arsenal ay well make the top 4, they have a very good chance, but 100% Certs haha, only a true moron would think that, even Arse fans don't think that.

They are prett much like us in that they will likely finish 3rd, 4th or 5th.

Truly impressive so far, haha, brilliant!
 

Mr Pink

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What did Utd though to warrant a win against us? They were rubbish. We sat back rather than risk the counter and they had nothing.

We categorically destroyed Villa in the first half. How we only had one I don't know. Villa improved second half but again, as BR siad afterwards, Villa's main weapon is the Agbonlahor and Benteke on the Counter. Their not very good when they have to take it to a team, so we sat back deliberately and they produced one decent shot.

We deserved all 3 of our victories comfortably but let ourselves down in the 2nd half tonight. I'll give you that one but so far we've looked every bit as good as Spurs which is also supported by the league table.

To say we only deserved the Stoke win is utterly laughable and not bore out by the facts of the game in any shape or form.

Deserved all three victories comfortably? Yeah good one. I said that was the one game you definitely deserved to win, I think you were fortunate to take 6 points from 6 in the other two.

You're deluded mate. Just like you came on here last season when you won 3-2 and tried to argue you were the better team. You were outplayed, and bar one calamitous error, totally unforced by the way, we would of won the game - like Swansea would of tonight as well.

We'll see who finishes were - and lets have it right, you've been nowhere near us in the League for years now.

Nothing more annoying than deluded Liverpool fans.
 

Legend10

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Deserved all three victories comfortably? Yeah good one. I said that was the one game you definitely deserved to win, I think you were fortunate to take 6 points from 6 in the other two.

You're deluded mate. Just like you came on here last season when you won 3-2 and tried to argue you were the better team. You were outplayed, and bar one calamitous error, totally unforced by the way, we would of won the game - like Swansea would of tonight as well.

We'll see who finishes were - and lets have it right, you've been nowhere near us in the League for years now.

Nothing more annoying than deluded Liverpool fans.


Actually he's not even deluded, without wanting to be harsh he's a complete idiot who hasn't got a clue what he's rambling on about. Some fans on RAWK are actually quite sensible, it's a shame one of them doesn't join here to give a more realistic and interesting picture of life there.
 

Kendall

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You can put whatever spin on it you like but we'd be absolutely chuffed to bits with Liverpool's start. Unbeaten, 2 good away results and a win against your big rivals.

Personally, I thought Liverpool were utter dog shit last night, barely created anything and looked like they were chasing shadows for the whole second half. Yet again Swansea's poor finishing let them down and Shelvey forgot he doesn't play for Liverpool anymore. But still, we'd be chuffed with the result.

We were far from convincing against Palace and lacked any bite against Arsenal, so far we've had two decent showings, at home, against teams we'd be expected to beat.

There really is little point arguing about it now. I think it's right that Liverpool will struggle to keep pace if they get an injury in the middle but they have a good fixture list for the next 4 games IMO and could well still be top by then, which will breed confidence.
 

Shanks

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Agree with kendall, little point bitching about it at the moment.

But thinking about us for a second, we've conceded the fewest amount of goals this season, and created the most amount of chances. We have played a rival, and lost, but we still had a good percentage of the ball, without our new players playing, nor bedding in.

Arsenal are looking good for fourth, but I'd be expecting the Spurs team to aim higher than fourth - it's not an unrealistic target in the slightest with the depth we now have with the squad - something we have never had.

As for injuries, it's a risk every team faces.
 

Shadydan

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Absolutely pointless arguments really, just wait until eh season pans out - no point comparing dick sizes now when you haven't even climaxed is there?
 

commodoreLUNGE

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Given the furore going on about diving at the moment, here's some food for thought:
If the last defender commits a foul, he is seen as breaking the rules to deny a clear goal scoring opportunity, and is sent off.
If a player blocks the ball on the line intentionally, he is seen as breaking the rules to deny a clear goal, and is sent off.
Based upon that logic, should a player that dives in the penalty area, be viewed as breaking the rules to OBTAIN a clear goal scoring opportunity, and therefore, also be sent off? All other dives would suffice with a yellow card I feel.

I admit, it would be difficult to police and referee, and the referee would have to deem that it was 100% a dive and not just "mild contact, and the player being a pussy", but surely this would help in the battle against people like Ashley Young, who has gone out of is way to cheat, and try to gain a clear goal scoring chance?

Surely, intentional cheating, is intentional cheating, and should be punished as such?
 
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