West Ham - Will they get away with it? YES THEY WILL SAY PANEL!

[talkshowhost86]

The team I really feel for in all of this are Sheffield United. They have been absolutely shafted by pretty much everyone involved in the game and it's no real surprise that the team with the most cash came out on top in all of this.

Ah well. They should have realised what was going on and just played some illegal players. Apparently that's allowed so frankly they've only got themselves to blame.

 

[Moore6]

The team I really feel for in all of this are Sheffield United. They have been absolutely shafted by pretty much everyone involved in the game and it's no real surprise that the team with the most cash came out on top in all of this.

Ah well. They should have realised what was going on and just played some illegal players. Apparently that's allowed so frankly they've only got themselves to blame.

I feel sorry for the Sheff Utd fans aswell.

Fancy blowing a 10 point lead with just over a month to go.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Of course MSI still have an influence over Tevez, in the same way they still have an influence over Mascherano. They own their economic rights.

They are not allowed to have an influence over the clubs that hold their registrations though, that is the key.

The only difference between their deals with Liverpool & Man Utd compared to their deal with West Ham is that they dont contain an option to move the players on without the agreement of the club.

They have both learned from West Ham's mistake.

After Eggy terminated the agreement with MSI, they no longer had an influence over West Ham either. Hence the reason why a compensation payment was needed in order for WHU to agree to the transfer.

West Ham only agreed to let Tevez leave when a £2m compensation payment was agreed.

Just a quick point as frankly I'm bored of this whole corrupt saga and it's effect on football in general...

But you havn't actually answered my question there. The Premier League said the deal had to be done between United and Wet Sham. As MSI must have been involved in negotiation the value of the potential transfer fee surely that hasn't happened.

Isn't this just the Premier League closing their eyes, putting their fingers in their ears and singing LA LA LA very loudly? They know exactly what's going on and don't seem to care. Fair play to West Ham for exploiting it, but it does rather suggest that we have an absolutely useless bunch of monkeys in charge of the league.

 

[talkshowhost86]

I feel sorry for the Sheff Utd fans aswell.

Fancy blowing a 10 point lead with just over a month to go.

Yeah don't get me wrong they were shit and should never have even come close to going down.

But be honest you know you've got away with this. If they'd gone down fair and square then nobody could complain. But they didn't. You know it, I know it, they know it, and I suspect the Premier League know it aswell.

 

[Moore6]

Just a quick point as frankly I'm bored of this whole corrupt saga and it's effect on football in general...

But you havn't actually answered my question there. The Premier League said the deal had to be done between United and Wet Sham. As MSI must have been involved in negotiation the value of the potential transfer fee surely that hasn't happened.

Isn't this just the Premier League closing their eyes, putting their fingers in their ears and singing LA LA LA very loudly? They know exactly what's going on and don't seem to care. Fair play to West Ham for exploiting it, but it does rather suggest that we have an absolutely useless bunch of monkeys in charge of the league.

NOW THAT THEY HAVE AGREED TO IT I assume that West Ham will simply submit the required paperwork which will transfer Tevez's registration to Man Utd.

 

[Moore6]

Yeah don't get me wrong they were shit and should never have even come close to going down.

But be honest you know you've got away with this. If they'd gone down fair and square then nobody could complain. But they didn't. You know it, I know it, they know it, and I suspect the Premier League know it aswell.

Like I said before, im not going over the debate of whether or not a points deduction would have been fair. You know my opinion and its boring now.

After 3 unsuccesful appeals I think Sheff Utd finally got the message.

 

[talkshowhost86]

NOW THAT THEY HAVE AGREED TO IT I assume that West Ham will simply submit the required paperwork which will transfer Tevez's registration to Man Utd.

Now that who have agreed to what?

 

[Moore6]

Now that who have agreed to what?

Now that West Ham have agreed the transfer of Tevez's registration to Man Utd.

That was the whole sticking point.

West Ham couldnt simply release his registration on the say so of MSI. That would indicate that the terminated contract was being enforced.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Now that West Ham have agreed the transfer of Tevez's registration to Man Utd.

That was the whole sticking point.

West Ham couldnt simply release his registration on the say so of MSI. That would indicate that the terminated contract was being enforced.

Isn't this totally ridiculous?

So West Ham had the say so on which club he went to but not on the transfer fee?

So realistically West Ham could have refused to release his registration and kept him there like some sort of slave? Does nobody else see a completely ludicrous side to this?

Whatever else comes out of this Fifa need to step in and say that a third part can't own any part of a player. It's absolutely scandalous.

 

[Moore6]

Isn't this totally ridiculous?

So West Ham had the say so on which club he went to but not on the transfer fee?

So realistically West Ham could have refused to release his registration and kept him there like some sort of slave? Does nobody else see a completely ludicrous side to this?

Whatever else comes out of this Fifa need to step in and say that a third part can't own any part of a player. It's absolutely scandalous.

Yes, they could have refused to release him in the same way that they could have refused to release Reo-Coker to Villa.

Difference being that we owned Reo-Cokers economic rights so were entitled to the full transfer fee, not just the bit relating to the release of his registration.

If Tevez goes to Real Madrid at the end of his 2 year stay with Man Utd then Man Utd wont get a penny. Unless they pay the rumoured £30m fee to MSI in order to purchase his
economic rights from them.

I agree, its far too messy and I wish that Brown had never taken the deal on.

 

[Moore6]

Reviewed and agreed by the PL.

http://www.premierleague.com/page/Headlines/0,,12306~1084474,00.html

 

[talkshowhost86]

Reviewed and agreed by the PL.

[URL="http://www.premierleague.com/page/Headlines/0,,12306~1084474,00.html"]http://www.premierleague.com/page/Headlines/0,,12306~1084474,00.html[/URL]

Funny that

 

[LSUY]

Reviewed and agreed by the PL.

[URL="http://www.premierleague.com/page/Headlines/0,,12306~1084474,00.html"]http://www.premierleague.com/page/Headlines/0,,12306~1084474,00.html[/URL]

The Premier League could say that the sky was blue and the world is round and I would still want a second opinion before believing them.

This deal could be the most corrupt deal ever and the Premier League will let it go through because they are probably getting a % of the money and it (sadly) saves David Dein's butt buddy Richard Scudamore's job.

We laughed at Serie A when all the match fixing claims appeared but it seems that the Premier League is as corrupt as Serie A.

 

[BoringOldFan]

The agreement confirms that West Ham United do have a valid player's contract with Carlos Tevez and hold the registration of the player.

Of course it does. That's why you're selling a player worth £20m to £30m for £2m, isn't it, eggy?

:roll:

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Source: The Independant

The most controversial, drawn-out and unedifying transfer of modern times appeared to reach its conclusion yesterday, but the fall-out from the Carlos Tevez affair may not be over yet.

Neil Warnock, the manager whose side were relegated when Tevez inspired an improbable late-season revival by West Ham, poured scorn on the £2m fee the Hammers have received for the Argentine striker. Warnock's former club, Sheffield United, are considering further legal action.

Tevez will not be eligible to play for Manchester United in tomorrow's Community Shield at Wembley but he took and passed a medical at Old Trafford yesterday morning and the necessary paperwork is expected to be completed early next week. This followed the £2m settlement struck by West Ham with the other parties claiming ownership of Tevez.

Warnock, who left Bramall Lane in the wake of the Blades' relegation, said: "I'm astounded that a £30m player can be transferred for £2m. I'm sure everyone in football knows why."
There was no comment from Sheffield United but Kevin McCabe, the plc chairman, was known to be consulting the club's lawyers. A statement is likely today.
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Further on in the article, West Ham say this in defence of the low fee.

The justification for the £2m valuation is, apparently, twofold.

West Ham argued that Tevez's value was significantly diminished because Tevez did not want to play for them anymore and the club were about to be embroiled in a court case regarding his ownership which they were not certain of winning.

In such circumstances, they argued, they should take whatever they could get. Manchester United, meanwhile, are paying an unknown sum (which may well be upwards of £20m) to the other claimants for Tevez's "economic rights".

:lol:

 

[Moore6]

Are these papers thick?

Man Utd havent purchased Tevez from West Ham for £2m.

MSI are paying West Ham £2m compensation in exchange for the release of his playing registration.

We were never entitled to this mysterious £30m that the press keep banging on about, simply because we never owned his economic rights. MSI have owned this all along.

The whole point was that West Ham were not allowed to simply cancel his registration as that would have indicated that the old illegal clause was being activated by MSI.

In accordance with undertakings given to the PL West Ham refused to simply cancel his registration without compensation.

it was only after MSI agreed to pay West Ham £2m compensation that they agreed to release Tevez's registration.

Apparently Man Utd are paying MSI £10m to have Tevez for 2 seasons and then have the option of purchasing him outright from them for £30m.

Almost identical deal to the one that Liverpool have regarding Mascherano.

 

[BoringOldFan]

We were never entitled to this mysterious £30m that the press keep banging on about, simply because we never owned his economic rights. MSI have owned this all along.

NO! Come on Moore6, you are really struggling. You told the PL he was your player, so they said that all the fee should go to you. Then that at least £6m should go to you. Because you told them he was your player.

AT NO TIME did West Ham say that had Tevez under a loan arrangement or anything other than 100% ownership.

Check your own site:

Just over a month later, Tevez left his club, Corinthians and together with Argentine team-mate Javier Mascherano, joined West Ham United on August 31, 2006, transfer deadline day. The pair were signed for an
undisclosed fee and put pen to paper on permanent contracts with the Club.

What kind of 'permanent deal' involves giving up 90% of the transfer fee?

 

[Moore6]

NO! Come on Moore6, you are really struggling. You told the PL he was your player, so they said that all the fee should go to you. Then that at least £6m should go to you. Because you told them he was your player.

AT NO TIME did West Ham say that had Tevez under a loan arrangement or anything other than 100% ownership.

Check your own site:



What kind of 'permanent deal' involves giving up 90% of the transfer fee?

Their playing registrations were signed on permanent deals. It was a 4 year contract. You cant loan a playing registration from MSI because they arent a football club.

Man Utd and Liverpool have got Tevez and Mascherano on 2 year contracts but MSI still own the economic rights.

West Ham have never denied that MSI owned Tevez's economical rights. Hence the reason why Man Utd havent been done for tapping up our player.

They simply refused to release his registration in accordance with the original agreement because it was found to be against the rules and then terminated.

The PL never mentioned anything about how much or where any money should go. This was all press speculation. All they officially said was that the transfer had to be arranged between the 2 clubs. This will happen when West ham submit the paperwork for the transfer of his registration to Man Utd.

This is not as complicated as the press have made it out to sound. If they had pulished more facts rather than their sensionalised opinions then there wouldnt be so many people with confused views on this subject.

 

[SpurSince57]

You weren't educated by Jesuits by any chance, were you?

Surely as West Ham were fined £5.5m and this has been reduced to £3.5m, the £2m they've received from MFI should be forfeit?

 

[ziggy]

Looking through the mist, at the end of the day WHU had a player in their team that they would never , ever of had the chance of signing outright, he then single handedly kept them in the PL. This cannot be allowed to happen again.