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lami

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I have to admire peoples optimism, but at the same time questions peoples logic!
What exactly is different this season to any other when it comes to how we deal with transfers?
Do people really believe that Levy has woken up one morning and suddenly decided to change the ways that he has previously done things? If you do, then you're in for a long summer.
Levy struggles to buy one player, let alone multiple players. He always looks to squeezy every penny out of a deal and always looks to under pay. Barring that in mind, what makes people think that he'll suddenly go out and buy 3-4 players at over 40 mil each??? Never gonna happen!
He'll drag the eriksen transfer out all summer, he'll eventually go near to the end of the transfer window which will delay who ever we're looking at bringing in to replace him.
We'll end up buying one or two players in the "potential" bracket, we'll then buy one player at around 40-50 mil, that player will be who ever is left over and we'll end up beating the likes of West Ham or Everton to his signature.
Lo Celso is a great example of what Spurs are all about! We go in with a bid that they'll never accept and wait to see if anyone else makes a move. Lo Celso will no doubt go to the Copa America, play outstanding and will have lots of suitors! We should be looking to get that done before the Copa America, but it'll never happen.

I know I'm putting my negative cap on, but it just makes me laugh when I see people posting that we're gonna buy N'Dombele, Zaha, WAM-Bisakka and alike.

Also, to those people who think Kane will stay injury free next season, are you tapped in the head? Once a players ankle ligaments go, it's a reaccuring injury and there is absolutely no way to avoid it going again. He will miss at least 6 weeks of next season due to an ankle injury, will we buy adequate cover? Probably not!

Queue the Spam ?
 

vegassd

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I have to admire peoples optimism, but at the same time questions peoples logic!
What exactly is different this season to any other when it comes to how we deal with transfers?
There is a lot that is different I reckon.

The stadium is finally finished and those last few games of the season will have given a decent indication of revenue potential. The stadium itself might not be a deciding factor for a player, but it will be a tool for determining how much we can pay incoming players.

We made it to the CL final. Again, this probably won't be a deciding factor for an incoming player but it certainly elevates our reputation amongst players. Add that to the league cup semi (not that the league cup is particularly great) but it shows there is the very real potential to win trophies at Spurs.

The lack of money spent in the last two windows should have created something of a buffer in terms of FFP and cash flow which puts us in a unique position. I don't know the specifics of the balance sheet and I'm not suggesting we keep our transfer cash like pocket money or anything that simplistic, but there should be more financial flexibility this summer than last.

For me, the biggest factor will be the ability to plan the next "phase". Kane, Son, Alli and Poch are all on long-term contracts, so whilst there could be a chunk of upheaval in the squad this summer there is a core there that can be planned around. Once the stadium earns it's full safety certificate (I believe that still needs to be done) the club will be able to plan the debt repayments. The will help to define the money available for the squad which will help to define the transfer plan.

It's not all cupcakes and jelly beans but there is a lot to be positive about - at least this early in the summer.
 

Shadydan

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I have to admire peoples optimism, but at the same time questions peoples logic!
What exactly is different this season to any other when it comes to how we deal with transfers?
Do people really believe that Levy has woken up one morning and suddenly decided to change the ways that he has previously done things? If you do, then you're in for a long summer.
Levy struggles to buy one player, let alone multiple players. He always looks to squeezy every penny out of a deal and always looks to under pay. Barring that in mind, what makes people think that he'll suddenly go out and buy 3-4 players at over 40 mil each??? Never gonna happen!
He'll drag the eriksen transfer out all summer, he'll eventually go near to the end of the transfer window which will delay who ever we're looking at bringing in to replace him.
We'll end up buying one or two players in the "potential" bracket, we'll then buy one player at around 40-50 mil, that player will be who ever is left over and we'll end up beating the likes of West Ham or Everton to his signature.
Lo Celso is a great example of what Spurs are all about! We go in with a bid that they'll never accept and wait to see if anyone else makes a move. Lo Celso will no doubt go to the Copa America, play outstanding and will have lots of suitors! We should be looking to get that done before the Copa America, but it'll never happen.

I know I'm putting my negative cap on, but it just makes me laugh when I see people posting that we're gonna buy N'Dombele, Zaha, WAM-Bisakka and alike.

Also, to those people who think Kane will stay injury free next season, are you tapped in the head? Once a players ankle ligaments go, it's a reaccuring injury and there is absolutely no way to avoid it going again. He will miss at least 6 weeks of next season due to an ankle injury, will we buy adequate cover? Probably not!

Queue the Spam ?

A recurring injury is when you constantly get the exact same injury in the same area on a consistent basis, Kane's injured his right ankle 3 times and his left ankle twice due to the way he or another player has landed on it so there's nothing to suggest that there's a problem.
 

13VanDerBale13

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Levy is supposedly having a meeting with Poch soon to outline their plans going forward, so hopefully Poch reiterates all the things he has been quoted as saying in the press & therefore Levy will knows the pressure he is under to deliver this Summer.

If we get to a stage where we are in July & still haven't signed anyone whereas all our Rivals have brought in atleast 1, desperation time will come into play & rumblings may occur
 

hellava_tough

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Levy is supposedly having a meeting with Poch soon to outline their plans going forward, so hopefully Poch reiterates all the things he has been quoted as saying in the press & therefore Levy will knows the pressure he is under to deliver this Summer.

If we get to a stage where we are in July & still haven't signed anyone whereas all our Rivals have brought in atleast 1, desperation time will come into play & rumblings may occur

I'd start to worry about a repeat of last summer if that happens
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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I may be wrong here, but 2010-2020 is the first decade we have won a big phat nothing since before 1951 (1921-1951 being a 30 year baron spell for us punctuated by a tiff with the Germans)

I think we need to address what I make our 2nd longest period in our history without a trophy.
 

hellava_tough

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I may be wrong here, but 2010-2020 is the first decade we have won a big phat nothing since before 1951 (1921-1951 being a 30 year baron spell for us punctuated by a tiff with the Germans)

I think we need to address what I make our 2nd longest period in our history without a trophy.

Our players aren't good enough compared to our competitors

Spend some money and bring in some quality, and we'll win trophies

Simples (y)
 

Krule

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It would be such a refreshing change to have a couple of new names under our belts by end of June...all ready for pre season training and team integration...real boost for the squad and a positive message to all our rivals....and fans....(y)
Let's not play Bargain Hunt again...please.
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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It would be such a refreshing change to have a couple of new names under our belts by end of June...all ready for pre season training and team integration...real boost for the squad and a positive message to all our rivals....and fans....(y)
Let's not play Bargain Hunt again...please.

There's a reason why it would be refreshing. The reason is the reason it won't happen too lol.
 

lami

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A recurring injury is when you constantly get the exact same injury in the same area on a consistent basis, Kane's injured his right ankle 3 times and his left ankle twice due to the way he or another player has landed on it so there's nothing to suggest that there's a problem.

Not to sound patronising, but you obviously have never done your ankle ligaments from your above text?
I played amateur football throughout my life, I'm now late 30's. My ankle goes at least twice every season that I play and I dont train week in and week out. Now I know that I dont have the professional medical expertise that Kane has access too, but believe me, ankle injurys stay with you once you've done them! It doesn't have to be the way you land or getting kicked on the ankle, it can something as small as turning to run in a different direction.
I hope that you're right and I'm talking bollacks, but I'd be willing to put my mortgage on Kane being out for at least a few weeks next season due to an ankle injury.
 

lami

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There is a lot that is different I reckon.

The stadium is finally finished and those last few games of the season will have given a decent indication of revenue potential. The stadium itself might not be a deciding factor for a player, but it will be a tool for determining how much we can pay incoming players.

We made it to the CL final. Again, this probably won't be a deciding factor for an incoming player but it certainly elevates our reputation amongst players. Add that to the league cup semi (not that the league cup is particularly great) but it shows there is the very real potential to win trophies at Spurs.

The lack of money spent in the last two windows should have created something of a buffer in terms of FFP and cash flow which puts us in a unique position. I don't know the specifics of the balance sheet and I'm not suggesting we keep our transfer cash like pocket money or anything that simplistic, but there should be more financial flexibility this summer than last.

For me, the biggest factor will be the ability to plan the next "phase". Kane, Son, Alli and Poch are all on long-term contracts, so whilst there could be a chunk of upheaval in the squad this summer there is a core there that can be planned around. Once the stadium earns it's full safety certificate (I believe that still needs to be done) the club will be able to plan the debt repayments. The will help to define the money available for the squad which will help to define the transfer plan.

It's not all cupcakes and jelly beans but there is a lot to be positive about - at least this early in the summer.

I totally agree with all of what you said above, however my point was aimed more towards the way that Levy does business, not our financial or football standing.
I have no doubt that we have money to spend on bringing someone in, I just cant see Levy changing from paying rock bottom price.
He didn't do it before the stadium was built and there was no talk of the stadium, so what's changed since?
I reckon that Lewis will be looking to sell up soon and Levy will takes his leave, until then I believe itll be business as usual.

If for arguments sake Ole or Zidane were to lose their jobs in the next couple of weeks, I think Levy would have no choice but to change his ways. As it stands at the moment, Poch has no where to go other than to stick it out with spurs until another job becomes available, Levy will know this and no doubt use it to tighten the strings so to speak.
Once again I'm having a bit of a pessimistic day, I'm usually all sunshine and rainbows but I just dont see much changing.
 

Shadydan

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Not to sound patronising, but you obviously have never done your ankle ligaments from your above text?
I played amateur football throughout my life, I'm now late 30's. My ankle goes at least twice every season that I play and I dont train week in and week out. Now I know that I dont have the professional medical expertise that Kane has access too, but believe me, ankle injurys stay with you once you've done them! It doesn't have to be the way you land or getting kicked on the ankle, it can something as small as turning to run in a different direction.
I hope that you're right and I'm talking bollacks, but I'd be willing to put my mortgage on Kane being out for at least a few weeks next season due to an ankle injury.

Whilst I'm not doubting your knowledge of football you haven't played at a professional level so you don't have access to the best doctor's, consultants, medical staff and your body isn't designed to deal with the rigours of professional football, what I'm saying is you cannot compare both your body at an amatuer level to Kane's at a professional level where his body is constructed to heal quicker than yours for example.

Furthermore Kane's ankle has never 'gone' if you pay attention to the type of injuries he's suffering they are all impact injuries which has caused them, every time he's injured his ankle a player has either landed on them or he's twisted it and landed on it himself plus the injuries aren't all on the same ankle either which signals that the ankles aren't weak or no long term problem on them. If there was a problem such as a weak ankle or if he was in danger of permanent ligament damage on either of his ankles then we would have heard about it now and they'd be talk of having operations to deal with it.
 

lami

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Whilst I'm not doubting your knowledge of football you haven't played at a professional level so you don't have access to the best doctor's, consultants, medical staff and your body isn't designed to deal with the rigours of professional football, what I'm saying is you cannot compare both your body at an amatuer level to Kane's at a professional level where his body is constructed to heal quicker than yours for example.

Furthermore Kane's ankle has never 'gone' if you pay attention to the type of injuries he's suffering they are all impact injuries which has caused them, every time he's injured his ankle a player has either landed on them or he's twisted it and landed on it himself plus the injuries aren't all on the same ankle either which signals that the ankles aren't weak or no long term problem on them. If there was a problem such as a weak ankle or if he was in danger of permanent ligament damage on either of his ankles then we would have heard about it now and they'd be talk of having operations to deal with it.

All ankle injuries initially occur through an impact or landing awkwardly on it. When I said about twisting, i was referring to how easy it is for the ankle to go again once an injury has occurred previously.
To counter your arguement re not being an issue. If it wasnt an issue with his ankles, why has he had 5 (your number) injuries to both ankles? Other players sustain similar challenges to what Kane has, yet they dont appear to get the injuries as often or need as long to recover, therefore I would suggest that due to Kane having weak ankles, it is likely that the injury will reoccur.

Theres no point in us arguing about it, it's down to opinion at the end of the day. I'm just putting my previous experience into it (armature) and the fact that this is the second or third season in a row that he has had long term injury due to ankles
 

Shadydan

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All ankle injuries initially occur through an impact or landing awkwardly on it. When I said about twisting, i was referring to how easy it is for the ankle to go again once an injury has occurred previously.
To counter your arguement re not being an issue. If it wasnt an issue with his ankles, why has he had 5 (your number) injuries to both ankles? Other players sustain similar challenges to what Kane has, yet they dont appear to get the injuries as often or need as long to recover, therefore I would suggest that due to Kane having weak ankles, it is likely that the injury will reoccur.

Theres no point in us arguing about it, it's down to opinion at the end of the day. I'm just putting my previous experience into it (armature) and the fact that this is the second or third season in a row that he has had long term injury due to ankles

Okay but despite Kane's history and issues with his ankle ligaments he has never once twisted it or it has never once gone which is my point. Every time he's been injured is because he's been unlucky either landing awkwardly or someone landing on it. He has been injured 5 times, 3 times on his right ankle and 2 times on his left which again doesn't point to a recurring or chronic issue, at least for me there should be some consistency on the same ankle, at the moment there isn't.

Also I'd hardly count injuries where a player is out for 2 months 'long term'
 

vegassd

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I totally agree with all of what you said above, however my point was aimed more towards the way that Levy does business, not our financial or football standing.
I have no doubt that we have money to spend on bringing someone in, I just cant see Levy changing from paying rock bottom price.
I don't think Sanchez was bought at a rock bottom price. Or Moura, or Sissoko, or Son, or Lamela, or Soldado. We were spending 30m on a player when that was still a notable price tag. Even Janssen arrived for a decent chunk given his experience level. Levy is not the only person who decides our transfers, and whilst I'm sure there are some he has deemed as too expensive there is also a track record of approving others.

In the past we have followed a pretty strict wages to turnover ratio. As our potential turnover increases it would stand to reason that our wage bill can be increased in line. I firmly believe that wages have been a big sticking point for us over the past decade or so, and they are likely to blame more often than the transfer fees themselves.

I understand that it's very easy to paint Levy as a pantomime villain or scrooge character - it would explain all the negative stuff that happens. But life is never that simple so I think you can allow yourself to be more optimistic. There's no guarantee we have a "successful" summer but I see no reason to expect a negative one. :)
 

lami

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I don't think Sanchez was bought at a rock bottom price. Or Moura, or Sissoko, or Son, or Lamela, or Soldado. We were spending 30m on a player when that was still a notable price tag. Even Janssen arrived for a decent chunk given his experience level. Levy is not the only person who decides our transfers, and whilst I'm sure there are some he has deemed as too expensive there is also a track record of approving others.

In the past we have followed a pretty strict wages to turnover ratio. As our potential turnover increases it would stand to reason that our wage bill can be increased in line. I firmly believe that wages have been a big sticking point for us over the past decade or so, and they are likely to blame more often than the transfer fees themselves.

I understand that it's very easy to paint Levy as a pantomime villain or scrooge character - it would explain all the negative stuff that happens. But life is never that simple so I think you can allow yourself to be more optimistic. There's no guarantee we have a "successful" summer but I see no reason to expect a negative one. :)

From the above named players I'd probably agree with Sanchez not being the going rate, probably Lamela too.
If you look at my point again, I state that we wont buy 2 or 3 players at 40mil plus (which is what's currently needed) all of the above were bought separately for prices below the going rate.
 

vegassd

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From the above named players I'd probably agree with Sanchez not being the going rate, probably Lamela too.
If you look at my point again, I state that we wont buy 2 or 3 players at 40mil plus (which is what's currently needed) all of the above were bought separately for prices below the going rate.
I wasn't even talking about the going rate... I was talking about being above "rock bottom" which is what you had described Levy's MO as. I'm not trying to debate semantics or "he said, she said" kinda stuff, I just know it's very easy to exaggerate the bad stuff and have the conversation move into extreme points of view. The fact is there are plenty of recent examples of paying above that "rock bottom" that Levy has a reputation for.

The focus on headline figures is something that irks me a bit... although obviously the higher the price tag, the better the player in most instances. We have a couple of bargains in our team already and players such as Sancho and Robertson show that it's not always about the price tag.

So whilst I love the idea of us buying multiple 40m players I wouldn't say it's essential to us performing well and I wouldn't say it would equate to a bad summer. There's no need to view everything in a negative light - nobody would have predicted we reached the CL final without spending but we did. You never know with this game so it's much more enjoyable to kick back and watch it unfold.
 

RichieS

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I have to admire peoples optimism, but at the same time questions peoples logic!
What exactly is different this season to any other when it comes to how we deal with transfers?
Do people really believe that Levy has woken up one morning and suddenly decided to change the ways that he has previously done things? If you do, then you're in for a long summer.
Levy struggles to buy one player, let alone multiple players. He always looks to squeezy every penny out of a deal and always looks to under pay. Barring that in mind, what makes people think that he'll suddenly go out and buy 3-4 players at over 40 mil each??? Never gonna happen!
He'll drag the eriksen transfer out all summer, he'll eventually go near to the end of the transfer window which will delay who ever we're looking at bringing in to replace him.
We'll end up buying one or two players in the "potential" bracket, we'll then buy one player at around 40-50 mil, that player will be who ever is left over and we'll end up beating the likes of West Ham or Everton to his signature.
Lo Celso is a great example of what Spurs are all about! We go in with a bid that they'll never accept and wait to see if anyone else makes a move. Lo Celso will no doubt go to the Copa America, play outstanding and will have lots of suitors! We should be looking to get that done before the Copa America, but it'll never happen.

I know I'm putting my negative cap on, but it just makes me laugh when I see people posting that we're gonna buy N'Dombele, Zaha, WAM-Bisakka and alike.

Also, to those people who think Kane will stay injury free next season, are you tapped in the head? Once a players ankle ligaments go, it's a reaccuring injury and there is absolutely no way to avoid it going again. He will miss at least 6 weeks of next season due to an ankle injury, will we buy adequate cover? Probably not!

Queue the Spam ?
First bold bit - this is a popular opinion but it's objectively untrue. We consistently bring in 3-5 players in a summer window and a single one without any transfers doesn't suddenly change the rule.

Second bold bit - you admit in the next paragraph that you have your "negative cap on" but I still think that, out of two news reports, you've chosen to believe the negative one simply because it fits your already decided position. BBC said £53m, Spanish source says £35m. Most likely reason for the disparity? We made an opening bid consisting of £35m up front + £18m add-ons - hardly derisory.

Oh, and Son has shown time and time again that he is our (more than) adequate cover for Kane.
 
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