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Dec 12, 2006
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I've just been reading your responses to my last post on what I thought was our best 11 of the current squad and it highlighted one stark fact. We all think we know what's best for the team and I guess we all like to think we know a thing or two about life, the universe and everything but we can't seem to even get close to agreeing what our best 11 is or what formation to play.
Isn't it amazing how we choose to laud one player over another and it seems that it has little to do with ability but more on favouritism.
So my question now is
Are we geniuses and football managers thick as shit or are we driven more by emotion than common sense?:bang:
 

PantherX

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I know a lot of things......just not about football. Virtually all of us here are in the dame boat.

That's why there are no football clubs that hire fans to manage their teams.
 

N10toN17

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We are driven by emotion, we also have the gift of hindsight, it's very easy to analyse a game after it's finished and disect what the boss should or shouldn't have done, totally different kettle of fish to make snap decisions in front of 36,000 punters in a fierce results driven business with media hacks and dodgy bosses looking at your every move.

Then you've got players not fully fit, other players probably not being totally honest how fit they are, added to a group of overpaid young blokes who can throw a hissy fit and a strop at the drop of a hat, football manager, no thanks!!!!!!!
 

Legend10

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A lot of supporters know more about the game than some people give credit for, after all there's not too many overly clever top flight football managers, they are pretty much the same as us but in the main were better players and have therefore been afforded the opportunity.

A lot of fans have tasted the game at some level and many at a good level and the beauty of football is that its not an overly complicated game.

Football is a game of opinions and we are all entitled to them and in the main they are very relevant.

But what I really find amusing is the people that say the professionals must know best and fans views really aren't that relevant are the ones that think the club isn't run properly and hold court about how Levy goes about his business.

I must have missed the bit that makes their views on this relevant as I am presuming that most if not allof those nay sayers have never been chairman of a Premiership football club, chairman of a PLC, run any sort of business of this magnitude, are self made multi millionaires, are making millions from other business ventures.

So because fans have never managed a premiership team their opinions and views can't be as good as somebody who has and they shouldn't sit in judgement. But their opinion on how a club should run its business should be listened to although they've never been within a million miles of being in such a position, and they will sit in judgement and expect to be listened to.

Strange game football.
 

$herringham

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smartly done SimpleSimon.. good post.. i'd say we're driven by emotions and limited knowledge.. emotions get some results, knowledge gets trophies.. a manager with both plus magical fairy dust is what we need
 

eddiebailey

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Oct 12, 2004
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But Legend by your own reasoning when it comes to hiring and firing managers the Board's judgement is no more valid than ours. So we can criticise them for that. Indeed there is the additional concern that because they are looking at things with a business head on they are not necessarily making decisons purely for football reasons. The object of business is not give customers the best possible product, it is to make money, and there is always a tension there. I also feel free to criticise them for their dumb attempts at spinning. Like our politicians, they appear to take us for fools. And personally that gets my back up.

This country is becoming increasingly like the US in its unquestioning respect for wealth and success. Ability plays a part, but so to do dumb luck and ruthless greed. As also do connections, assuredly so in the case of Levy. I have met, and indeed worked for, people who have achieved great success in business and they most definitely put on their pants one leg at a time.

People at the top, whether it is politicians, senior policemen or Chairmen of football clubs, need to be held accountable.
 

Kendall

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Feb 8, 2007
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A lot of supporters know more about the game than some people give credit for, after all there's not too many overly clever top flight football managers, they are pretty much the same as us but in the main were better players and have therefore been afforded the opportunity.

A lot of fans have tasted the game at some level and many at a good level and the beauty of football is that its not an overly complicated game.

Football is a game of opinions and we are all entitled to them and in the main they are very relevant.

But what I really find amusing is the people that say the professionals must know best and fans views really aren't that relevant are the ones that think the club isn't run properly and hold court about how Levy goes about his business.

I must have missed the bit that makes their views on this relevant as I am presuming that most if not allof those nay sayers have never been chairman of a Premiership football club, chairman of a PLC, run any sort of business of this magnitude, are self made multi millionaires, are making millions from other business ventures.

So because fans have never managed a premiership team their opinions and views can't be as good as somebody who has and they shouldn't sit in judgement. But their opinion on how a club should run its business should be listened to although they've never been within a million miles of being in such a position, and they will sit in judgement and expect to be listened to.

Strange game football.

Cracking post this.

You will find that most good managers were shit players. So why can't sunday league standard players have a decent opinion on the way a premier league team should play?

It's an interesting debate.
 

Gilzeanking

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Really like your post Eddie , apart from the line that says we know as much about hiring and firing managers as the Board .

Can't be right....the Board are privy to masses of inside info on their manager..

...all we get is 'officialese' and rumours from someone up a tree !
 

DC_Boy

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As fans we can have our say, and I agree with Legend that many fans actually have a lot to say (particularly when it comes to their own club) that is as insightful as a lot of the professionals.

Many fans are far more intelligent (on an IQ basis) than the mangers of some/most clubs. Of course they won't have the practical experience, but if they watch the game carefully, have played it any level, and think carefully about their opinions there's a good chance they'll have something useful to say.

I can remember so many ridiculous decisions made by Spurs managers/boards over the years, so they are from infallible. If people really want me to list them all, going back to the purchase of David Jenkins and Laurie Brown in the 60s to our bang up to date fiasco purchases this summer which have left us completely in the mire I'll gladly do so (as many as I can remember) :)
 

SpurSince57

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Laurie Brown. Oh dear (as Defsta might say). And swapping Jenkins for Jimmy Robertson was pure genius. Not.
 
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