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sebo_sek

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It has become apparent to me in the last few weeks that something very wrong is happening at Spurs. Is it the Redknapp saga? Is it the team spirit that has been dealt a crushing blow by the circling uncetrainty concerning our manager? I have come to think that is only a very convenient excuse. An easy way out if you wish for a fact that is very troubling in the long run.

I think a huge chunk of the problem concerns not the team but some of its individuals and the rest of the squad's loss of faith in those thus far select few who have carried us on their shoulders and been inspirational to the rest.

Player one, the ONE, Mr Tottenham, the most loyal of the loyal, Ledley King. After today's game I have no doubt that I don't want to see him in a competitive match ever again. I do appreciate the service, the struggle, the desire, but I cannot fail to notice that the ability is no longer there. Ledley has been identified as the weakest link of our defence. He has no speed, his positioning is off and quite frankly I think the rest of the defence know that they can't focus on their jobs alone as they have to keep peeping over to see if King is where he is supposed to be. And even if he is, whether he is up to the task placed before him. Sadly he was responsible for both goals today, could and maybe should have cost us a penalty, and, painful as it may be, he will only get worse. I admire his grit, but he has become clumsy, unsure of himself, and will sieve goals by the dozens if he is to stay on in a playing role. I wish him all the best, hope he stays on as a coach, but for me his playing days are over. And if we do get to the FA cup final I don't want to see him anywhere near the starting XI, or the bench for that matter.

I don't know if anyone agrees but Kaboul and Caulker need to form our main CB partnership next year and for years on after that.

Player two, the golden boy of Croatian football, the Hulk Hogan of the pitch in nothing but the hair, Luka Modric. How desperate we were to keep him and rightly so. His magic touch, sublime control, his confidence and elegance on the ball, the fear he instilled in defenders... is sadly all but gone. As has been pointed out, rare have become his awe inspiring passes of late, unless they go sideways or back. His commitment has vanished, his passion for the game has clearly been substituted by his mental money measure. If he hasn't yet become a paycheque player yet, he will in two months' time, mark my words. but from our perspective, what's changed?

He simply doesn't link the team in the way he used to, and as an offensive force, he has become a one of many; a man with neat skills but not as inspirational as he used to be. And I think the rest see it too. I think the time has come to cash in. In an interesting turn of events our most influential player has been replaced by the dynamic duo of Rafa VDV and Scott Parker. Is Luka Modric as critical to our long term future as we thought. In my opinion he isn't anymore. Opposition teams probably start their final tactical rundown with the words "Double up on Modric" and he has found it an uphill struggle to tackle the problem. Not creative enough (i.e. does not ctreate enough goals or score them - his career average is 0.2 goals per game, 12 in 117 for us), has a generally weak shot, can't take corners to save his life, his freekicks leave much to be desired so... if we miss out on CL and it seems we will, his contract value will offset that loss. And it's alright with me.

Player three is the Welsh wizard, the leftsided cruise missile, Gareth Bale. And relax, I don't want him sold. But I do want work done about his ever growing weakness - his ego. Gareth Bale is growing into a player who believes they are the complete package and that has a direct influence on his overall performance. How does it show? Well, he wants to be a one man show. He takes his shots from impossible positions to net that all time great strike and go down in history as... good question, what? Whenever Bale goes on his Han SOLO runs, I watch the others very carefully, and judging by their body language, they are far from impressed when yet another decent opportunity finishes with the ball rocketing into the top row, or the side netting, or near the corner flag, with his teammates in open space waiting for a pass. I do realise that Gareth Bale is a player of exceptional talent, but that talent needs to be kept on a leash so it can then be unleashed with even bigger effect. The fact that recently Defoe didn't want to pass to Bale when he was open tell the whole story.

I think our team is disinterating but not because of Harry Redknapp, or not solely because of him. The team have lost their spirit because things are happening in it that have nothing to do with the England situation. Some of the players expect to be treated differently, expect to be special, and that never bodes well. The razzle dazzle of the first 3/4 of the season has disappeared. We don't press, and suprisingly have become a team that is very light weight on the ball, too genteel, easily brushed off - non-committal in the tackle. Today barring Walker Lennon and Bale almost everyone seemed to be pulling their legs back, whereas Norwich were sticking theirs in. A worrying sign of a lack of belief. I think Modric will want out again, and this time he needs to be sold quickly. Yes hackle for the best price, but get it over with early, do our business early, if need be get a new manager early and just focus on pre-season after the Euros.

It's back to the drawing board. We need to reenvigorate the team. Will Harry do it? Well, comparing him with Paul Lambert today I have my doubts. harry's main fault is that he cannot or doesn't want to identify the deep lying problem within the team. It's like at Barca when Guardiola came, sometimes you need to take out players tought to have been irreplaceable and replace them with others who genuinely want to be there.
 

BuffaloSid

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I agree with only one point. King is no longer the player he was and has been responsible for several costly mistake lately.
However , for me the main responsibility lies with Redknapp.
He was quick to remind us that he was the man to turn it around after 2 points from 8 games etc .
Equally he should accept responsibilty for our recent shoddy run. Im struggling to remember a worse run ( Ramos 8 games aside).
As a manager you and you alone take responsibility.
One bad result , a dodgey ref etc ok The players or ref can take the flack.
A run like this is down to the management nothing else.
If this run had been at the start of the season he would be out of a job like Ramos.
 

jolsnogross

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Nice post.

I don't know that I agree about King. Holt has been bullying defences all year and is a classic number nine when on song. I wouldn't pick read too much in to King's display today given the desire of Norwich to make a mark. Spud got it right on the match thread, the desire gap between Norwich and Spurs was immense. While King was a part of that problem, he was left exposed to a fierce battler in Holt.

The main point I agree with here is related to Modric. I think we'd miss him, but it's also becoming apparent that someone like Dempsey might provide so much more in terms of effort and end product. Does Modric do any more than Huddlestone?

The Bale criticism is a bit harsh. If anything, we are a shot-shy team. Lennon and Modric don't have much of a shot on them. I used always consider Adebayor to have a fierce shot on him, but haven't been impressed with his shooting with us. If Bale was shooting while ignoring a team mate in a better position, ala Defoe, I might agree. But I don't think that's the case.
 

kernowspur

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ssimation of one of the best squads in the premiershipeen the ders
I agree with only one point. King is no longer the player he was and has been resonsible for several costly mistake lately.
However , for me the main responsibility lies with Redknapp.
He was quick to remind us that he was the man to turn it around after 2 points from 8 games etc .
Equally he should accept responsibilty for our recent shoddy run. Im struggling to remember a worse run ( Ramos 8 games aside).
As a manager you and you alone take responsibility.
One bad result , a dodgey ref etc ok The players or ref can take the flack.
A run like this is down to the management nothing else.
If this run had been at the start of the season he would be out of a job like Ramos.

This!

Redknapp has to be held responsible. the buck stops with the manager, but he will never admit he is in the wrong. He will leave at the end of the season, or hopefully before, and if as seems likely we do not make CL football next season, so will Modric, Bale, VdV and others. Harry will then have overseen the destruction of one of the best squads in the Premiership. Six points from the last eight games is relegation form and as Buffalosid says would lead to a manager being sacked if it were the start of the season.
Remember Harry thought last season was our best season ever and anyone who disagreed was an idiot. Well Harry what do you think now?
 

Sweetsman

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I think that Redknapp has some very crucial decisions to make and these relate to Sebo_Sek's article. He needs to decide whether some players deserve their place in the side. He also needs to be made to realise that the only goal this season is CL football. He cannot field a weak midfield ever again and cannot play King. For the rest of the season the central defensive duo have to be Kaboul and Gallas with Nelsen as a replacement; for next season, Caulker has to come back as does Naughton. Midfield must be Parker and one other of Sandro or Livermore. I would then have Bale and Lennon. The No.9 has to be VDV with Adebayor up front (or Saha or Defoe). Modric should be brought on to affect more games late on a la Scholes.
 

jolsnogross

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Apart from the lack of desire and taking some teams lightly, I'd point to a lack of investment in a striker as a reason why we haven't romped home in third. Either we lack a decent scout, or are afradi to pull the trigger on the top number nine we need. They're expensive because they have the toughest job. I'd admit that the Torres debacle would make anyone gun shy on investing in a striker. But frankly, we need one brilliant number nine who can play as a point man in front of VdV. And then we need cover for him.
 

Roscilous

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I was thinking the exact same thing only today and agree with everything. I think one big mistake was loaning out Pienaar. He's played very well for Everton and would have been good cover for anyone we lost in midfield. Even VDV seems to be losing confidence recently. I am concerned about the lack of goals coming from corners or free kicks. I thought in Bale and VDV we would have improved. We have missed Dawson and Lennon at a critical time and Adebayor went missing for a few games. I hope we can hang on to 4th, but if we lose any more points I fear we will lose out to Newcastle or Chelsea.
 

Sweetsman

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I think that Redknapp has some very crucial decisions to make and these relate to Sebo_Sek's article. He needs to decide whether some players deserve their place in the side. He also needs to be made to realise that the only goal this season is CL football. He cannot field a weak midfield ever again and cannot play King. For the rest of the season the central defensive duo have to be Kaboul and Gallas with Nelsen as a replacement; for next season, Caulker has to come back as does Naughton. Midfield must be Parker and one other of Sandro or Livermore. I would then have Bale and Lennon. The No.9 has to be VDV with Adebayor up front (or Saha or Defoe). Modric should be brought on to affect more games late on a la Scholes.
 

Sweetsman

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I think that Redknapp has some very crucial decisions to make and these relate to Sebo_Sek's article. He needs to decide whether some players deserve their place in the side. He also needs to be made to realise that the only goal this season is CL football. He cannot field a weak midfield ever again and cannot play King. For the rest of the season the central defensive duo have to be Kaboul and Gallas with Nelsen as a replacement; for next season, Caulker has to come back as does Naughton. Midfield must be Parker and one other of Sandro or Livermore. I would then have Bale and Lennon. The No.9 has to be VDV with Adebayor up front (or Saha or Defoe). Modric should be brought on to affect more games late on a la Scholes.
 

LewishamSpur

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I agree with most of the article except I think you're being harsh on Bale. The wheels fell off purely because the team were waiting for the wheels to fall off! The first piece of evidence(loosing against *rsenal) ensured this thought process prevailed. Once this occurred the want-away-players revert to type.
 

FITZ

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Modric just needs to up his game - teams have figured out that he won't shoot. So when that threat is taken away they can make him less effective. If someone gives Lampard space on the edge of the box he can score - modric can only look for a pass. You can't have two CMs that are pretty much non scoring players to seriously challenge in this league.
 

rjhotspur

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Redknapp doesn't have the career experience with top clubs to understand the squad rotation needed to still be competing at the business end of a season. The reason we have been poor over the past number of weeks has been because we have been leggy. Redknapp is an old schooler like Martin O'Neill who will play the same players far too often and then watch in bewilderment as their team flags in the last 10 games of the season.
 

doom

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simply with Norwich we completely underestimated them and they did their homework on us. We should have had more thresher legs too.
 

striebs

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I agree with most of the article except I think you're being harsh on Bale. The wheels fell off purely because the team were waiting for the wheels to fall off! The first piece of evidence(loosing against *rsenal) ensured this thought process prevailed. Once this occurred the want-away-players revert to type.

I agree with most of this .

Bale is not blameless but he does need to be rested , not just physically but mentally too .

The chap needs to sit down and watch videos of himself , be confronted by them even , and have a THINK . He needs to reflect on his achievements so far and identify where he needs to improve to become a better player .

If we had wide cover Bale would be able to make time to do that before the end of the season .

This isn't just training pitch stuff though it would be nice if one of the coaches could explain what that thing on the end of his right leg is for .
 

spud

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I agree with most of this .

Bale is not blameless but he does need to be rested , not just physically but mentally too .

The chap needs to sit down and watch videos of himself , be confronted by them even , and have a THINK . He needs to reflect on his achievements so far and identify where he needs to improve to become a better player .
It wouldn't help. He's already told us that what he needs to do to improve is to twat about in the middle of the pitch. (His agent said so.)
 

Ironskullll

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You are intoxicated by your own verbosity. Apply Occam's razor. Our team is probably at its correct level, with 5 games left. Let them fight first, and then we can judge. Meanwhile let's fight with them.
 

Archibald&Crooks

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Rather than bash it all out again, this is an excerpt from a post I made in Spurs Chat.

Some of them display no bollocks, no heart, no passion, no strength of character, no quality when it really matters. Regardless of the formation I think its possible that we've far too many players who turn it on on the 'easy' days, when the team as a whole clicks but are found wanting when the going gets tough, when it really matters. On the days when one or two are off colour there's nobody stepping up to make sure we grind out a result.

I dunno, maybe i'm wrong, but far too often, Tottenham Hotspur have held the patent on building up our hopes and dreams only to lets us down in dazzling style.

This bunch are in danger of going down as the biggest chokers since the Boston fucking strangler.
 

mawspurs

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King did look poor, in his defence I'd say it was his first game for a while so he was bound to be rusty, we expect him not to suffer from that because he normally doesn't but he is not infallible. I do believe though he needs t o make a decision come the end of the season. Personally I'd like to see him tutoring Caulker as his replacement by becoming our defensive coach.

Modric? Well watch this space I guess. There will almost certainly be a bid from somewhere for him in the close season, but he is not doing himself any favours with his current form. When he is not in the team though he is a big miss. It's easy to criticise his performance but when we are worse without him where does that leave us?

Bale - I agree with the post above about him being made to look at videos of himself, although this should not necessarily be restricted to Bale alone as there are a few players who could benefit from this. He needs to remember what he is best at and add to it not replace what he is best at with something else.

It's time to regroup (well overdue actually) and start putting in our very best performances from here on in till the season is done and dusted. There is still time to make this a very good season.
 

dontcallme

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I agree to a point. King's injuries have finally caught up with him and we can no longer feel assured with him in defence.

Modric was very good last season and has been most of this season. Chelsea came in for him and once we decided to keep him an extra season I hoped he'd step up to a higher level. I remember watching Roy Keane as a kid. He was a true enforcer and the best battling, British/Irish midfielder of his generation. But he didn't stop there. He added goals and assists to his game.

Modric hasn't. He has amazing ability to use his small body to hold players off, make space for himself, precision passing and making us tick. The next level is to become more dominant. He needs to add assists and goals to his game. He needs to get forward and make things happen but he doesn't.

The free-role for Bale doesn't play to his strengths. Bale's pace and energy aren't utilised fully in a free-role. His attributes are more similar to Beckham than C.Ronaldo. Bale could cover the left-wing all game long, provide protection to BAE and whip in crosses all game long. Instead he is roaming around in the final third of the pitch where he is constantly doubled up on and BAE takes up the defensive duties on his own.

We just don't seem to be that well organised and while Bale and Modric are playing well I can't help but feel we could be getting more out of them.
 

grittyspur1

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[quote="dontcallme, post: 2722301, member: 4129"]I agree to a point. King's injuries have finally caught up with him and we can no longer feel assured with him in defence.

Modric was very good last season and has been most of this season. Chelsea came in for him and once we decided to keep him an extra season I hoped he'd step up to a higher level. I remember watching Roy Keane as a kid. He was a true enforcer and the best battling, British/Irish midfielder of his generation. But he didn't stop there. He added goals and assists to his game.

Modric hasn't. He has amazing ability to use his small body to hold players off, make space for himself, precision passing and making us tick. The next level is to become more dominant. He needs to add assists and goals to his game. He needs to get forward and make things happen but he doesn't.

The free-role for Bale doesn't play to his strengths. Bale's pace and energy aren't utilised fully in a free-role. His attributes are more similar to Beckham than C.Ronaldo. Bale could cover the left-wing all game long, provide protection to BAE and whip in crosses all game long. Instead he is roaming around in the final third of the pitch where he is constantly doubled up on and BAE takes up the defensive duties on his own.

We just don't seem to be that well organised and while Bale and Modric are playing well I can't help but feel we could be getting more out of them.[/quote]

That just about sums it up & we need to be patient like in the Bolton replay. Stick to the game plan and don't go wandering when the ball doesn't bounce our way.
Still- I'm a still a bit shocked by yesterday's result. We showed very little heart out there once Kaboul went off and Norwich bossed us off the ptich. Let's hope Sunday's trip to Wembley is the tonic we need to finish off this long and strange season with a flourish! I'm not giving up on the team just yet!!!! We also need a great performance from Adebayor or he'll definitely be with another club next season! COYS!!!
 
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