What our opponents' fans are saying about us 17/18

[sly1]

The whole world needs to get behind electric cars. Then their owners' empire becomes worthless almost overnight.

Sometimes I think we (football fans) should just decide to follow a different sport overnight. Then Abramovich and Sheikh Mansour would be left spending millions of pounds each week on a team that no one even cares about. And that is what matters to them, they want to be important, cared about, they want to own something that people look at and are impressed by.

And that is why I find it weird that the blokes that sit on the stands at City don't seem ashamed (they actually seem proud) of the fact that they've become a rich man's trophy wife.

I don't understand how they're not annoyed that the thing they have spend their time and money on for decades is now nothing more than a vanity project for an attention seeking man with no natural charisma.

They've got an array of incredible attacking footballers, but it's just the equivalent of the boob job, Botox and Gucci handbags on the trophy wife.

That's why I just don't care about Man City and Chelsea. They don't get under my skin like Arsenal or Liverpool. If they win a game with a dodgy penalty in the last minute, I just shrug; it might as well be something happening in a computer game as far as I'm concerned, it's not real.

 

[double0]

We must be careful not to brand all fans from the like of Man C and Chelski as " Not proper fans". In the case of Man C they went through the mills dropping down the divisions still maintaining a core fan base, the same to a lesser degree Chelski.

Lets be brutally honest here if the same happened to our club being taken over by a rich oil tycoon we too would get glory hunting fans.

The joy now is being able to still compete independently through our own stability.

 

[riggi]

We must be careful not to brand all fans from the like of Man C and Chelski as " Not proper fans". In the case of Man C they went through the mills dropping down the divisions still maintaining a core fan base, the same to a lesser degree Chelski.

Lets be brutally honest here if the same happened to our club being taken over by a rich oil tycoon we too would get glory hunting fans.

The joy now is being able to still compete independently through our own stability.

We have those fans now.

 

[dagraham]

Get Dave Cameron to hold a global referendum on the value of money?

Can we fix it so my money is worth more than everyone else's?

 

[bomberH]

Sometimes I think we (football fans) should just decide to follow a different sport overnight. Then Abramovich and Sheikh Mansour would be left spending millions of pounds each week on a team that no one even cares about. And that is what matters to them, they want to be important, cared about, they want to own something that people look at and are impressed by.

And that is why I find it weird that the blokes that sit on the stands at City don't seem ashamed (they actually seem proud) of the fact that they've become a rich man's trophy wife.

I don't understand how they're not annoyed that the thing they have spend their time and money on for decades is now nothing more than a vanity project for an attention seeking man with no natural charisma.

They've got an array of incredible attacking footballers, but it's just the equivalent of the boob job, Botox and Gucci handbags on the trophy wife.

That's why I just don't care about Man City and Chelsea. They don't get under my skin like Arsenal or Liverpool. If they win a game with a dodgy penalty in the last minute, I just shrug; it might as well be something happening in a computer game as far as I'm concerned, it's not real.

All decent points of course but the fact remains that while they pay what they do, the likes of Kane and most of our team know they can double their wages at these teams. So while we can all say 'I couldn't give a fuck what Chelsea and City do' (which is genuinely fair enough), it means we will probably never win anything and our players will leave for more money and trophies because of it. Therefore, the only way we can compete with those particular clubs is to follow their lead and bring in a rich fucker who will buy us Neymar etc because he can.

Don't get me wrong, I love the way we run things here but I reeeeeeally want to win the league. We've come amazingly close and on the budget we're on (and we prob would've won the league this season if at WHL imo) but the closer we get, all those other teams just spend billions more to sort out their problems. I'll begrudgingly accept a few johnny come lately fans for the sake of a title win. The likes of City and Chelsea are never going to be poor again so we have to accept it and maybe one day join them, as shit as it is to admit that. Chelsea and City were just bang average teams before the money, I'd love us to be on the same level financially and have a few seasons where none of our players are the subject of bollocks speculation and it'd be something like 'Spurs after Alexis' etc instead.

 

[Mr Pink]

All decent points of course but the fact remains that while they pay what they do, the likes of Kane and most of our team know they can double their wages at these teams. So while we can all say 'I couldn't give a fuck what Chelsea and City do' (which is genuinely fair enough), it means we will probably never win anything and our players will leave for more money and trophies because of it. Therefore, the only way we can compete with those particular clubs is to follow their lead and bring in a rich fucker who will buy us Neymar etc because he can.

Don't get me wrong, I love the way we run things here but I reeeeeeally want to win the league. We've come amazingly close and on the budget we're on (and we prob would've won the league this season if at WHL imo) but the closer we get, all those other teams just spend billions more to sort out their problems. I'll begrudgingly accept a few johnny come lately fans for the sake of a title win. The likes of City and Chelsea are never going to be poor again so we have to accept it and maybe one day join them, as shit as it is to admit that. Chelsea and City were just bang average teams before the money, I'd love us to be on the same level financially and have a few seasons where none of our players are the subject of bollocks speculation and it'd be something like 'Spurs after Alexis' etc instead.

Fuck that mate, winning the league the way we our now would absolutely smash the feeling of us winning it with an open cheque book.

No comparison. I'd rather we keep doing what we're doing as we keep getting closer. No wembly factor this season and we'd have even better chance this season as well.

 

[Dov67]

Goes back to the analogy I've always made.

The self made man who drives a Porsche has far more to be proud of than than the no job good for nothing son of a billionaire who drives the Ferrari that Daddy bought him

 

[spursfan77]

Goes back to the analogy I've always made.

The self made man who drives a Porsche has far more to be proud of than than the no job good for nothing son of a billionaire who drives the Ferrari that Daddy bought him

But I like my Ferrari

 

[bomberH]

Fuck that mate, winning the league the way we our now would absolutely smash the feeling of us winning it with an open cheque book.

No comparison. I'd rather we keep doing what we're doing as we keep getting closer. No wembly factor this season and we'd have even better chance this season as well.

Of course I'd prefer that. There would be no comparison to that feeling compared to how Chelsea and City fans feel. It's just a million times more likely to happen when we can buy the better players. If we'd offered Mane more than what Liverpool offered, we'd probably have won the league last year. We'll never be able to compete with the wages that the other top 5 offer until a mega rich billionaire who's willing to part with his money takes us over. It'd be the difference between buying good players like Nkoudo/N'Jie to buying players the next level up, like Mane etc. It's all about wages.

I would like nothing more than to win it the way we are at the moment. I've said that hundreds of times. I just don't think we will until we go to the next level financially. Maybe that will happen when we get our new ground and use the funds properly. But it still won't be enough to compete amongst the 'powerhouses'. If there was a limit set by the league for everyone to spend, I genuinely believe we'd win the league under Pochettino. Unfortunately, there isn't and as much as I'd love to see us win trophies as we are, I'm not sure we will.

Edit: I've spent 40 odd years watching us the 'proper' way. I want more now. We're so close to being utterly brilliant, I want the extra needed to do so. Something has to give for us to compete and win regularly. None of the other big clubs will be poorer in the future, in fact other 'smaller' clubs will eventually be taken over and be richer than us!

 

[Mr Pink]

Of course I'd prefer that. There would be no comparison to that feeling compared to how Chelsea and City fans feel. It's just a million times more likely to happen when we can buy the better players. If we'd offered Mane more than what Liverpool offered, we'd probably have won the league last year. We'll never be able to compete with the wages that the other top 5 offer until a mega rich billionaire who's willing to part with his money takes us over. It'd be the difference between buying good players like Nkoudo/N'Jie to buying players the next level up, like Mane etc. It's all about wages.

I would like nothing more than to win it the way we are at the moment. I've said that hundreds of times. I just don't think we will until we go to the next level financially. Maybe that will happen when we get our new ground and use the funds properly. But it still won't be enough to compete amongst the 'powerhouses'. If there was a limit set by the league for everyone to spend, I genuinely believe we'd win the league under Pochettino. Unfortunately, there isn't and as much as I'd love to see us win trophies as we are, I'm not sure we will.

Edit: I've spent 40 odd years watching us the 'proper' way. I want more now. We're so close to being utterly brilliant, I want the extra needed to do so. Something has to give for us to compete and win regularly. None of the other big clubs will be poorer in the future, in fact other 'smaller' clubs will eventually be taken over and be richer than us!

To quote you mate...' we're so close to being utterly brillant'

And we don't want to ruin that by throwing millions at it.

We've got our ace in Pochettino and a new stadium to come.

We're constantly improving under him, let's keep growing organically. In many ways we're the envy of the league, not like many of those fucks will admit it.

We'll keep getting close under Poch. Every year he gets more experienced as well.

I couldn't stomach a city job, it would feel so hollow.

 

[DCSPUR]

Of course I'd prefer that. There would be no comparison to that feeling compared to how Chelsea and City fans feel. It's just a million times more likely to happen when we can buy the better players. If we'd offered Mane more than what Liverpool offered, we'd probably have won the league last year. We'll never be able to compete with the wages that the other top 5 offer until a mega rich billionaire who's willing to part with his money takes us over. It'd be the difference between buying good players like Nkoudo/N'Jie to buying players the next level up, like Mane etc. It's all about wages.

I would like nothing more than to win it the way we are at the moment. I've said that hundreds of times. I just don't think we will until we go to the next level financially. Maybe that will happen when we get our new ground and use the funds properly. But it still won't be enough to compete amongst the 'powerhouses'. If there was a limit set by the league for everyone to spend, I genuinely believe we'd win the league under Pochettino. Unfortunately, there isn't and as much as I'd love to see us win trophies as we are, I'm not sure we will.

Edit: I've spent 40 odd years watching us the 'proper' way. I want more now. We're so close to being utterly brilliant, I want the extra needed to do so. Something has to give for us to compete and win regularly. None of the other big clubs will be poorer in the future, in fact other 'smaller' clubs will eventually be taken over and be richer than us!

think the problem is that the last two years we were good enough to win its just the weird fluke of Leicester and a Europe comp less chelsea.....last year if Rose and Lamela had been fit I think we would have done it....and the prior two seasons Leic and Chelscum had almost no injuries of note.

So in a way, we could easily have won in without being propped up by a scummy human rights abusing country or a thief.

 

[Saoirse]

Of course I'd prefer that. There would be no comparison to that feeling compared to how Chelsea and City fans feel. It's just a million times more likely to happen when we can buy the better players. If we'd offered Mane more than what Liverpool offered, we'd probably have won the league last year. We'll never be able to compete with the wages that the other top 5 offer until a mega rich billionaire who's willing to part with his money takes us over. It'd be the difference between buying good players like Nkoudo/N'Jie to buying players the next level up, like Mane etc. It's all about wages.

I would like nothing more than to win it the way we are at the moment. I've said that hundreds of times. I just don't think we will until we go to the next level financially. Maybe that will happen when we get our new ground and use the funds properly. But it still won't be enough to compete amongst the 'powerhouses'. If there was a limit set by the league for everyone to spend, I genuinely believe we'd win the league under Pochettino. Unfortunately, there isn't and as much as I'd love to see us win trophies as we are, I'm not sure we will.

Edit: I've spent 40 odd years watching us the 'proper' way. I want more now. We're so close to being utterly brilliant, I want the extra needed to do so. Something has to give for us to compete and win regularly. None of the other big clubs will be poorer in the future, in fact other 'smaller' clubs will eventually be taken over and be richer than us!

It's not like LIverpool are owned by an oil tycoon spending multiples of what we do. The new stadium should let us compete at a very similar financial level to them and Arsenal. It'll still be a tough ask to win the league ahead of Chelsea/City/United, but it won't be an impossible one.

 

[Gb160]

It's not like LIverpool are owned by an oil tycoon spending multiples of what we do. The new stadium should let us compete at a very similar financial level to them and Arsenal. It'll still be a tough ask to win the league ahead of Chelsea/City/United, but it won't be an impossible one.

The new stadium will mean we can start closing the revenue gap, it'll take quite a few years before we're competing at a similar financial level.

 

[Spurger King]

The new stadium will mean we can start closing the revenue gap, it'll take quite a few years before we're competing at a similar financial level.

I don't think that would help. Those clubs will just raise their wages until they're out of reach again.

 

[Gb160]

I don't think that would help. Those clubs will just raise their wages until they're out of reach again.

Oh yeah if you're talking about City/United/Chelsea, but we should be able to start closing the gap on Woolwich and Liverpool.
There really is no limit to what the former clubs can spend, especially City.
Just look at what PSG did in the summer, it's bordering farcical now with the oil money and the fact these clubs are owned for political and commercial reasons.
Countries used to build warships to display their power, now they buy football clubs.

 

[jurgen]

I don't think that would help. Those clubs will just raise their wages until they're out of reach again.

The doped clubs are always going to buy big and pay salaries that we can’t, but perhaps the point is that we’d be able to compete better in the tier below, the dippers, Dortmunds etc. of this world, which – if combined with Poch's abilities – could see us regularly competing at the top. Gives us a bit more latitude to box clever. That top tier of money players aren't necessarily going to get better, just more and more expensive, but outside of that we can be at the top of the pile for the next potential stars.

 

[Spurger King]

Oh yeah if you're talking about City/United/Chelsea, but we should be able to start closing the gap on Woolwich and Liverpool.
There really is no limit to what the former clubs can spend, especially City.
Just look at what PSG did in the summer, it's bordering farcical now with the oil money and the fact these clubs are owned for political and commercial reasons.
Countries used to build warships to display their power, now they buy football clubs.

The doped clubs are always going to buy big and pay salaries that we can’t, but perhaps the point is that we’d be able to compete better in the tier below, the dippers, Dortmunds etc. of this world, which – if combined with Poch's abilities – could see us regularly competing at the top. Gives us a bit more latitude to box clever. That top tier of money players aren't necessarily going to get better, just more and more expensive, but outside of that we can be at the top of the pile for the next potential stars.

Yep, you're both right about the stadium helping us to consistently compete with the likes of Arsenal and Liverpool. It's also a perfect foundation for bigger and better things. Especially if the financial corruption finally collapses (fat chance but it's nice to dream).

 

[bomberH]

To quote you mate...' we're so close to being utterly brillant'

And we don't want to ruin that by throwing millions at it.

We've got our ace in Pochettino and a new stadium to come.

We're constantly improving under him, let's keep growing organically. In many ways we're the envy of the league, not like many of those fucks will admit it.

We'll keep getting close under Poch. Every year he gets more experienced as well.

I couldn't stomach a city job, it would feel so hollow.

Will you change your mind if we haven't won anything in, say, 7 or 8 years time? Or even 15 years time? Will you be happy for us to win nothing but compete admirably within a smaller budget for the rest of our lifetime? Genuine questions.

Just to be clear, I would love to win it the way we're doing things at the moment. But I'm intrigued to hear your answers to the question(s) above.

 

[StartingPrice]

All decent points of course but the fact remains that while they pay what they do, the likes of Kane and most of our team know they can double their wages at these teams. So while we can all say 'I couldn't give a fuck what Chelsea and City do' (which is genuinely fair enough), it means we will probably never win anything and our players will leave for more money and trophies because of it. Therefore, the only way we can compete with those particular clubs is to follow their lead and bring in a rich fucker who will buy us Neymar etc because he can.

Don't get me wrong, I love the way we run things here but I reeeeeeally want to win the league. We've come amazingly close and on the budget we're on (and we prob would've won the league this season if at WHL imo) but the closer we get, all those other teams just spend billions more to sort out their problems. I'll begrudgingly accept a few johnny come lately fans for the sake of a title win. The likes of City and Chelsea are never going to be poor again so we have to accept it and maybe one day join them, as shit as it is to admit that. Chelsea and City were just bang average teams before the money, I'd love us to be on the same level financially and have a few seasons where none of our players are the subject of bollocks speculation and it'd be something like 'Spurs after Alexis' etc instead.

We are all entitled to hold our own council (ahem), me ol' China. But, TBH, I think you are just a bit too quick to throw the towel in. I truly, and I mean truly, believe we will win major honours over the next ten years - and I don't mean one CC.

Even if Citeh dominate like United did, there will still be plenty of trophies to sweep up - they won't win every single thing. They will have off years - looks at the Chavs, and to a lesser extent City themselves, for following a title with going a tad off the rails. As Pinky says, a key injury could derail them - such as to de Bruyne. Personally, I am still not convinced that their defence is all that. But ours is. Attack wins games...defence wins titles. An old adage. So I wouldn't even throw the title in for this season. They gave Stoke a shellacking yesterday - but conceded two. How many times did we concede two in the league last season? They had a similar start last season and folk were handing them the title. Before they played us, we were unbeaten too, folk were even talking about them winning the title by winning every single game. How did that work out? Folk are question the Wembley effect - and that is fair enough, with the bigger pitch making it easier for teams to drop deep on us, stifle and counter. But it is also true that we struggled in our first three home games...while Harry Kane was having his August. But for that we could be up there with City on points and goals. And do you know what....our defence is still all that.

One of the greatest pities about last season was that I was certain Lamela was going to have a genuine break out year. When you look at the way he forced an equaliser at Goodison last year, before his injury, it was something we were lacking in our first three home games this season - while Harry was having his August. And he's coming back. We went to Huddersfield, a newly promoted team but one that has been holding its own (ahem), and we strolled to a four nil victory without every looking troubled. City looked seriously troubled at Brighton, to name just one. And the thing is, there was a lot of talk about us lacking depth - but at Hudderfield our bench included Vorm, who could be first choice in just about any team outside the top six, Son and Llorente, and Sissoko - well, he was a club record signing at the time (I had to go there). Unavailable due to injury we had Dembélé and Wanyama, who many feel was the standout midfield pairing in the entire league last season, Danny Rose, who many feel is the best left-back in the league, and former child prodigy Erik Lamela, who can make our team tick and pass through any defence when fit to play. We were also missing Aurier through suspension.

I believe we can beat any team in this league - and even if City beat us, we only play them twice. They can't do anything much about the rest of our games (apart from using their sand-oil money to bribe people, of course). Head-to-heads don't win the league, consistency does. We just have to be more consistent than them - and there is no certain yet that they can keep this pace up.

Yes City are one of the standout teams in the division...but so are we.

And things will continue to up when the stadium is online. We can be up there and winning things without any oil-money input, IMHO. If we don't win quite as much as City or Chelsea, we will win it more satisfactorily (IMHO, of course).

 

[Japhet]

The doped clubs are always going to buy big and pay salaries that we can’t, but perhaps the point is that we’d be able to compete better in the tier below, the dippers, Dortmunds etc. of this world, which – if combined with Poch's abilities – could see us regularly competing at the top. Gives us a bit more latitude to box clever. That top tier of money players aren't necessarily going to get better, just more and more expensive, but outside of that we can be at the top of the pile for the next potential stars.

The only way we can compete is by developing players from grass roots and the occasional buying of a finished (or nearly finished) article. City, Chelsea, Utd. etc just buy finished articles all of the time and stockpile young talented players to stop rivals from having them. If there were any financial constraints on them, I'd say our model was more sustainable, but without any financial constraints things are very unlikely to change. The elephant in the room for them though, is the egos of the players and Managers they employ and the ever rising expectations of their fans.