What our opponents' fans are saying about us 17/18

[Archibald&Crooks]

I nearly posted saying we spend far too much time worrying about what others say about us before I realised what thread this was.

Senile ****

 

[riggi]

Seemed to be 'bring your scouser to work day" at Wembley yesterday.... Hope all our guests had fun!

Sadly my scouser friend chickened out

That's the only reason we broke the record.

 

[Pellshek]

RAWK mainly talking about themselves - understandably - but some comments about us:

Battered by a great side with a great coach. They're brilliantly run club. Spurs should be the blueprint for where we want to be, but obviously go one step further and win things. We're miles off them, their success is built on a strong defence and of course a world class striker with skill and strenght in between. We all saw what our defence is like today, we shot ourselves in the foot time and time again gave ourselves no chance.

To be fair, they were fucking average and we gifted them 4 goals

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Just not true. They were aggressive and first to everything in that first 20mins, the incisiveness after winning the ball back was brilliant. It was like watching us play when we were good last season. Just utterly ruthless.

A few have pointed it out and it's something I've said a few times, Spurs are a fantastic Side who have improved each season under Pochittino. Someone here on RAWK claimed they hadn't yesterday due to the Wembley record....put that to bed didn't they. We have shown signs of improvement but we seem to have taken another step back this season, CL was always going to hinder us but that isn't an excuse for today.

They are proof that you can compete at the top without huge net spends and I'm sick of the excuses I hear as to why it's so difficult for little old us.

They are a good side. I think they could win the title. Which is why we can’t make a dozen simple defensive mistakes. Our defence is best descrbed by the goals today.

A deserved win for Tottenham there, they completely battered us. They are currently a level above us and the team in this league that I most admire. Unlike Liverpool their team is brilliantly balanced, reminding me a lot of Rafa’s best team. They have a clinical frontman with three tricky, creative players behind him. They play two disciplined central midfielders and have a pin-sharp defence backed up by a fully competent goalkeeper. Reminds me so much of our 08/09 team. Pochettino deserves all the credit in the world for the job he’s done there, competing against teams with greater budgets and higher wage bills. To lose away to a good team is not in itself an embarrassment but to lose in that manner is completely crushing.

Spurs has the best defence in the league last season and still spent big on Sanchez and Aurier.

We conceded 42 goals and signed Robertson..........who can’t even get in the team.

 

[Trix]

I think Kane did him with his movement for Sons goal. He pretended to run to where the ball might be landing but was in fact ten yards in front of where it was going, drawing Lovren in who bought it and should have kept running out of the stadium.

Not enough praise given to Kane imo.

Look Kane does what he does, and he is superb at it. No one is questioning that. For all I know Kane knew Gomez was playing him onside, and if so that doesn't surprise me one bit. All I am saying is there is no way Lovren knew Gomez was 2 yards behind the rest of the back four, because he is watching Kane who to him was clearly offside. To scapegoat him for that goal just shows how Naïve the Pool fans and Klopp really are when it comes to their defensive unit. Watch the goal again and see Lovren's reaction as the ball goes over, he instantly looks to the Linesman almost in disbelief that Kane is onside.

 

[Dundalk_Spur]

Look Kane does what he does, and he is superb at it. No one is questioning that. For all I know Kane knew Gomez was playing him onside, and if so that doesn't surprise me one bit. All I am saying is there is no way Lovren knew Gomez was 2 yards behind the rest of the back four, because he is watching Kane who to him was clearly offside. To scapegoat him for that goal just shows how Naïve the Pool fans and Klopp really are when it comes to their defensive unit. Watch the goal again and see Lovren's reaction as the ball goes over, he instantly looks to the Linesman almost in disbelief that Kane is onside.

I was referencing the Son goal not Kanes.

 

[Cornpattbuck]

Absolutely Kane was a good 2-3 yards offside as far as Lovren was concerned, which is why he wasn't closer to him. Looks like a bit of a kop out to just blame the player tasked with marking Kane tbh. We are talking about the most prolific striker in the world atm, so to expect anyone to singlehandedly keep him quiet is just far too much to ask imo. When his team mates are making that job even harder the bloke has no chance at all. The second goal is in large down to him though as he is never getting that ball and had no business diving in for it like that.

Very true.

Even with the second one you can say that while the initial mistake is his, Matip and Gomez (whoever was there) made no attempt to cover him despite having no one to mark and between them and Milner they just gave Son a free run etc.

Lovren at fault but a defensive unit works harder to make up for the error etc.

Either way, brilliant execution by Kane to make the most of both opportunities.

 

[Klinsmannesque]

Jamie Carragher had offered to help him sort out his backline, and the offer was rejected. Similarly Adams and Keown both offered to help Arsenal in the same way with the same outcome. Seems very poor management to me to know something is not working well yet refuse the help of people that clearly know what they are doing in that area.

Well therein lies his problem. His arrogance.Wenger too. It's not necessarily a bad thing that he can't coach a defence, however it is a bad thing to not acknowledge your own weakness and address accordingly. Bet you don't often see Poch doing too much work with the keepers, because that is not his area of expertise. He'll have an idea of how he want's his keepers to play, but will communicate that and leave it to Toni. Extreme example, but there will be better ones up and down the country - a good manager knows how to manage not only the squad, but allocate his staff accordingly.

 

[rossdapep]

Well therein lies his problem. His arrogance.Wenger too. It's not necessarily a bad thing that he can't coach a defence, however it is a bad thing to not acknowledge your own weakness and address accordingly. Bet you don't often see Poch doing too much work with the keepers, because that is not his area of expertise. He'll have an idea of how he want's his keepers to play, but will communicate that and leave it to Toni. Extreme example, but there will be better ones up and down the country - a good manager knows how to manage not only the squad, but allocate his staff accordingly.

Whereas Everton have Duncan Ferguson as striking coach........yet no strikers to coach.

 

[StanSpur]

Trippier has fantastic vision and a wand of a right foot

And was taking corners that looked dangerous too - shocking to see a Spurs corner get past the first defender, I don't think its happened since Anderton and Sheringham used to do that ridiculous routine

 

[nicdic]

The whole "If Liverpool buy Van Dijk" narrative is so tiring. I can't believe that Redknapp, Souness and co really believe that the problem is strictly down to having no leaders, and lacking a quality defender like VVD. When they signed Lovren, he was that player, so why do they still have the same problems?

I'm not saying that they don't have issues with personnel, they clearly do, but the bigger problem is an organisational one and that comes from the management, coaching and training. VVD in that back line might make a marginal difference, but it's not going to make a team that appears to spend no time on defending able to defend like a top team.

 

[archiewasking]

Van Dijk is not all that anyway, imo.

 

[rossdapep]

The whole "If Liverpool buy Van Dijk" narrative is so tiring. I can't believe that Redknapp, Souness and co really believe that the problem is strictly down to having no leaders, and lacking a quality defender like VVD. When they signed Lovren, he was that player, so why do they still have the same problems?

I'm not saying that they don't have issues with personnel, they clearly do, but the bigger problem is an organisational one and that comes from the management, coaching and training. VVD in that back line might make a marginal difference, but it's not going to make a team that appears to spend no time on defending able to defend like a top team.

I agree. It happened frequently at Dortmund even with a defence of Hummels, Subotic, Schmelzer and Pisczek. When they were on the front foot and high up the pitch it was something they got away with but once they started hitting a bad run of form they'd concede sloppy goals. I do think a new GK and CBs would improve them but they'd still be open and concede more goals then a championship team need to.

 

[shelfmonkey]

Jamie Carragher had offered to help him sort out his backline, and the offer was rejected. Similarly Adams and Keown both offered to help Arsenal in the same way with the same outcome. Seems very poor management to me to know something is not working well yet refuse the help of people that clearly know what they are doing in that area.

And long may it continue.

 

[Shadydan]

The whole "If Liverpool buy Van Dijk" narrative is so tiring. I can't believe that Redknapp, Souness and co really believe that the problem is strictly down to having no leaders, and lacking a quality defender like VVD. When they signed Lovren, he was that player, so why do they still have the same problems?

I'm not saying that they don't have issues with personnel, they clearly do, but the bigger problem is an organisational one and that comes from the management, coaching and training. VVD in that back line might make a marginal difference, but it's not going to make a team that appears to spend no time on defending able to defend like a top team.

Redknapp has been saying that they lack leaders for a long time to be fair.

 

[rossdapep]

Just had a look. In Klopp's last two seasons at Dortmund, the team conceded 2 or more goals on 26 occasions!!

 

[archiewasking]

Jamie Carragher had offered to help him sort out his backline, and the offer was rejected. Similarly Adams and Keown both offered to help Arsenal in the same way with the same outcome. Seems very poor management to me to know something is not working well yet refuse the help of people that clearly know what they are doing in that area.

I would love to see Carragher helping to coach their backline in scoring own goals against us.

 

[Trix]

Van Dijk is not all that anyway, imo.

He certainly won't be after a season playing with Pool's current backline, and under Klopp's defensively inept stewardship.

 

[anydange]

Just had a look. In Klopp's last two seasons at Dortmund, the team conceded 2 or more goals on 26 occasions!!

Klopp's personality hides his faults and the media bought into it so hard. Egg on their faces as per usual. Definitely getting found out now.

 

[Dougal]

Klopp's personality hides his faults and the media bought into it so hard. Egg on their faces as per usual. Definitely getting found out now.

I still don't get the media fascination. Bloke is a gurning nut job. Every time I see him on the sideline or giving an interview I just think of this...

 

[Gb160]

The whole "If Liverpool buy Van Dijk" narrative is so tiring. I can't believe that Redknapp, Souness and co really believe that the problem is strictly down to having no leaders, and lacking a quality defender like VVD. When they signed Lovren, he was that player, so why do they still have the same problems?

Yeah im not so sure VVD will make a great deal of difference on his own, Southampton still let in goals, and thats with better wingbacks and DM than Liverpool, their problem is their entire defence, goalkeeper, DM, and the way they're coached...theres no easy fix.