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What our opponents' fans are saying about us 17/18

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midoNdefoe

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Different size clubs and different expectations, don't you think?

True as that may be, winning the FA cup wouldnt have squashed all the talk of us being legends - because thats what other fans are putting on us. It will taked sustained, high-level success to shake that tag.

It would have been lovely to get to the final... Chelsea would have been a tight game again though...
 

Bus-Conductor

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Different size clubs and different expectations, don't you think?

Not really, I think the fans-media-fans circle jerk will happen regardless, look at Southampton sacking Puel last season, despite them finishing 7th/8th and getting to a cup final. What were their expectations ?

I don't think it's necessarily wrong that Arsenal have effectively sacked Wenger, but I think it proves that winning domestic cups is no panacea for other ills.

When we won a cup - and a bloody good cup too, by beating Arsenal and Chelsea - did it buy Ramos any leeway with the media and fans when we started the next season badly ?

Did winning the CL buy DiMateo any leeway at Chelsea ?

Do you become a better team the day after you win a cup ? Do you suddenly have an invincible mentality? The vast body of evidence suggests not.
 

SpartanSpur

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Different size clubs and different expectations, don't you think?

It's so fashionable to laugh at Spurs and constantly put us down, so many of the fans of the top clubs dislike us and the fact we are crashing their party, if you thinking winning one trophy will shut all of that up you are naive. The goalposts would continually get moved unless we built a dynasty.

It's hard to take when we have gutting moments like that semi final but you just have to ignore it as much as possible.

Not doubting the importance of silverware to us and the project, but to think it'd change things with opposition fans is folly.
 

riggi

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Not really, I think the fans-media-fans circle jerk will happen regardless, look at Southampton sacking Puel last season, despite them finishing 7th/8th and getting to a cup final. What were their expectations ?

I don't think it's necessarily wrong that Arsenal have effectively sacked Wenger, but I think it proves that winning domestic cups is no panacea for other ills.

When we won a cup - and a bloody good cup too, by beating Arsenal and Chelsea - did it buy Ramos any leeway with the media and fans when we started the next season badly ?

Did winning the CL buy DiMateo any leeway at Chelsea ?

Do you become a better team the day after you win a cup ? Do you suddenly have an invincible mentality? The vast body of evidence suggests not.

Poch isn't in the same position in the league that Ramos was. Chelsea could win the treble and still sack their manager and Arsenal have stagnated in the league for years.

Our situation isnt comparable to the others imo. Also I don't believe a fa cup will produce a title winning side or even attract new better players. I just think it would be a fantastic thing to win and that's not got anything to do with the progression of the club.
 
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riggi

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It's so fashionable to laugh at Spurs and constantly put us down, so many of the fans of the top clubs dislike us and the fact we are crashing their party, if you thinking winning one trophy will shut all of that up you are naive. The goalposts would continually get moved unless we built a dynasty.

It's hard to take when we have gutting moments like that semi final but you just have to ignore it as much as possible.

Not doubting the importance of silverware to us and the project, but to think it'd change things with opposition fans is folly.

I grew up in the 90s with a gooner best mate, it would be strange if people diddnt take the piss out off us!

I don't think we should underestimate this bottling title that the media have given us, on the players.
 

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Poch isn't in the same position in the league that Ramos was. Chelsea could win the treble and still sack their manager and Arsenal have stagnated in the league for years.

Our situation is comparable to the others imo. Also I don't believe a fa cup will produce a title winning side or even attract new better players. I just think it would be a fantastic thing to win and that's not got anything to do with the progression of the club.


That's the point though isn't it? this whole "Spurs suddenly need to win something to confirm they are a good team" narrative is just media noise.

Take the losing 8 FA Cup semi-final thing. Nobody seems to count the fact that in between that run we've beaten Chelsea and Arsenal (handsomely) in two League cup semi-finals and Chelsea in a final, as well as winning two other league cup semi finals and winning another final.

I get that it would be "nice" for us fans and the team to win a cup, but it won't prove we are a good team, and not winning one doesn't prove we aren't. We know we are by the performances and results we are getting week in week out consistently over the last few years.
 
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riggi

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That's the point though isn't it? this whole "Spurs suddenly need to win something to confirm they are a good team" narrative is just media noise.

Take the losing 8 FA Cup semi-final thing. Nobody seems to count the fact that in between that run we've beaten Chelsea and Arsenal (handsomely) in two League cup semi-finals and Chelsea in a final, as well as winning two other league cup semi finals and another winning another final.

I get that it would be "nice" for us fans and the team to win a cup, but it won't prove we are a good team, and not winning one doesn't prove we aren't. We know we are by the performances and results we are getting week in week out consistently over the last few years.

Ye I don't see it as a mark of how good a team we are but it's not about that.
 

WiganSpur

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I disagree that we always bottle it in big games. You can't deny Chelsea away a few weeks ago was huge. The classic Spurs of old would have fucking bottled it and gone down with a whimper.

I think there's a mental problem sometimes though, but it's a vicious cycle caused by our own record. It's almost as if we doubt ourselves because of our history sometimes.
 
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That's the point though isn't it? this whole "Spurs suddenly need to win something to confirm they are a good team" narrative is just media noise.

Take the losing 8 FA Cup semi-final thing. Nobody seems to count the fact that in between that run we've beaten Chelsea and Arsenal (handsomely) in two League cup semi-finals and Chelsea in a final, as well as winning two other league cup semi finals and winning another final.

I get that it would be "nice" for us fans and the team to win a cup, but it won't prove we are a good team, and not winning one doesn't prove we aren't. We know we are by the performances and results we are getting week in week out consistently over the last few years.

This.

An Arsenal fan at work took the piss because, I quote, "Spurs have lost eight consecutive semi-finals".

I gently pointed out to him that this was untrue and that he had mistaken a competition-specific statistic with a generic statistic.

To help him understand, I used the following example

"It is true to say that no League Team has lost all of their away games in 2018...

... but it is equally true to say that one League Team has lost all of their away League games in 2018, because one team has."

My back-up example was "The so-called Invincibles lost 6 games in 2003-04", but I think I'd already landed the point by then. :D
 

mckenz

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This.

An Arsenal fan at work took the piss because, I quote, "Spurs have lost eight consecutive semi-finals".

I gently pointed out to him that this was untrue and that he had mistaken a competition-specific statistic with a generic statistic.

To help him understand, I used the following example

"It is true to say that no League Team has lost all of their away games in 2018...

... but it is equally true to say that one League Team has lost all of their away League games in 2018, because one team has."

My back-up example was "The so-called Invincibles lost 6 games in 2003-04", but I think I'd already landed the point by then. :D

enjoy tomorrow
 

mkkid

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I’ve heard it all now, “I’m part of the problem”..... Jesus wept!
The real problem is how people are lapping up failure and polishing it up as success. NOBODY remembers losers or also rans. Very few on here remember the 86/87 team as they ended up with sweet fa. That team WAS bloody good enough but ultimately failed. This current team is good enough but constantly fails in the decisive games. Kid yourself as much as you like, polish that 4th place cup if you will, buy ultimately when it matters it’s failed. Until this team turns potential into silverware it will continue to be questioned and rightly so.

I’ll leave you and the rest of your happy clapping community to celebrate failure in yet another semi final!!!


Thank god for another a ray of light in this forum Most seem to be happy with A 4th place certificate and we tried. Hard in a semi Medal.
 

double0

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Thank god for another a ray of light in this forum Most seem to be happy with A 4th place certificate and we tried. Hard in a semi Medal.


Nobody is happy with failure Liverpool for an example haven't won the PL. Man United are the biggest club in England Chelski Man City are bankrolled by billions and Arsenal well. We have come from a long way behind and are now competitive...the overwhelming feeling when we lost to both Juventus and Man United was dejection but then you evaluate and realise we are doing well in the bigger picture.
 

sly1

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Thank god for another a ray of light in this forum Most seem to be happy with A 4th place certificate and we tried. Hard in a semi Medal.

We all want us to win everything, that should go without saying.

Why do you think that it makes the slightest difference whether or not you are “happy with 4th place certificate”? It’s not like Poch is going to turn up at training and say “sorry lads, I’ve just been on spurscommunity and there’s a guy called mkkid who simply won’t take mediocrity for an answer. The all day drinking session is cancelled, and we’re practicing set pieces instead”.

If we do win the league next season, kane isn’t going to come out and say “we were just going to try and get 4th, but then we thought about how angry mkkid would be on spurscommunity.co.uk and that really dragged us over the line. Really it should be him up here lifting the trophy”.

By all means you can be as unhappy and angry as you like. Just don’t think that it makes you a better fan or that it affects anyone outside your long suffering family.
 

BringBack_leGin

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I know it's not the place to post such things, but here's what the Watford fans are saying...

http://wfcforums.com/index.php?threads/tottenham-fc-vs-watford-fc-30-04-2018.54493/

April is a funny month, with them showers and all.

Talking of showers, we're a bit of one at the moment. Some would replace showers with shambles.

But we're not at all.

3 consecutive seasons in the Premier League, and a fourth one to follow. How fantastic is that???

I love the month of May. Everything coming into leaf, the leaves virgin-green, bug-free for that brief period of time. So let's go into May on the back of a glorious win against the Potato People.

3-1 Watford

Keep the Faith. Enjoy the Ride. Prune in Autumn.

SCG

I was going to this but can’t now. Sort of disappointed as haven’t been to Wembley since our PO loss to Palarse.

I can’t see anything past a loss I’m afraid they are going for top four whereas we are more or less safe and we’re away.

I do hope we play a bit like we did at Arsenal with some fight. Try to make a game of it and make them work for the win if they get it.

We won’t score but we won’t keep them out for long. 3-0 to the Spuds.

For some reason I'm going to this game. No idea why. Shitty stadium, certain defeat to bloody Spurs and on a Monday night.

I hate myself.

Law of averages would suggest that surely we must score a goal away from home eventually? But I don't believe it'll be here
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Spurs haven't won any of their last three games, or at Wembley since the 3rd March (3 consecutive home defeats, albeit one in the FA cup). Being as we're the team that happily brings other clubs poor spells to an end, I think this'll end up about 4-0
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Talking of poor spells - Harry Kane hasn't scored in his last three games, and hasn't scored properly (can't really call the goal against Stoke a proper goal, can we?) since 25th Feb against Palace, 11 matches ago. Therefore, I'm sure we'll be the club that reignites his challenge for the golden boot - just like we did for Mo Salah.........

Maybe if we're really lucky, we'll see Kane looking as happy as this after the match:
(any excuse to post this picture)

It’s on the telly so a good performance is expected* for a host of reasons:

End of season shop window for players who want to/are forced to leave. ‘Sign me’
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We put in an upbeat performance vs Palarse and we’ll continue the momentum.
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We haven’t scored away for eons and it’s about b****y time
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we were given something to cheer.
It’s a day out at Wemberleeee.
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Spuds and Kane in poor form.
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We always play well when we’re on’t telly.
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Hope is eternal.
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1-1
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*by me
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Only possible positive to come from this game is that the 6 goals Kane bags for himself kickstarts his return to form ahead of the World Cup.

Obviously I want us to win, but we won’t.

So the next thing I want is Kane to leapfrog Salah in the golden boot race. Hopefully I will then stop hearing about him and the ridiculous comments comparing him to Ronaldo and Messi.

Has Kane been successful in his bid to claim some of Salah's goals due to the wind currents being altered as he moves in North London and affecting the path of the ball at Anfield?

Tottenham never lose to us in modern times and almost always win.
They are good at Wembley.
We are are terrible at Wembley.
They are free-scoring at home.
We are free-conceding away.

This ain’t nothing but an absolute humping.

A couple of weeks ago, I took HB1 to task for a negative pre-game post. I now see what he was getting at.

I hope I’m wrong and I’m sure people will say something against this point - but this just feels like another away game to add to Gracia’s pile of misery on the road.

Annoyed Deeney is fit as would like to see Gray get a run out in this one. I don’t think he has had a fair chance at proving himself this season. Reminds me a bit Troy’s first season for us being kept out of team by Graham/Sordell and when he did play he played on the wing. Hopefully Gray gets a chance to stake a place and go into pre-season on a high. Okaka can’t last 90 mins and even by playing 60 mins he injured himself. Absolutely pointless footballer

If we lose this game like we have pretty much every away game since November, then I believe Troy Deeney will be solely to blame.

Saw some article about him visiting a school and helping out some kids, fat **** should be training not helping the community.

I was really hoping Deeney being absent would force a change of tactic away from the battle to win midfield ball, pass back to Cathcart, hoof to Deeney, head on to no-one, midfield battle etc. etc until Capoue or Doucouré lose a midfield battle and someone fouls someone else too near our box...or we have to rely on Holebas to defend
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I reckon our last win v Spurs away was in 1985 when we won 5-1 and feeling elated when leaving the ground only to then hear of the Bradford fire. Whilst we were a reasonable force to be reckoned with in those days under GT surely our luck must change in having suffered 7 league losses since then as well as breaking our current record of no goals on the road under JG- and I hope its not a 5-1 loss!

Decent bunch, endearingly self deprecating, but I always feel a bit unnerved when the opposition fans are this despondent.
 

SpunkyBackpack

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3 consecutive seasons in the Premier League, and a fourth one to follow. How fantastic is that???

What sort of pathetic attitude is that? Makes me sick that somebody would be ok with anything other than winning the league, football is dead.
 
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