What our opponents' fans are saying about us 17/18

[Shadydan]

£30m got you Sissoko 2 years ago.

 

[jurgen]

£30m got you Sissoko 2 years ago.

Whatever we think of him he’s a full international and was a regular in the team, with lots of Prem experience..

 

[Davidhoratio]

Whatever we think of him he’s a full international and was a regular in the team, with lots of Prem experience..

Indeed but he's utter garbage. Every time he warms up all you can hear is "ffs not sissoko" in stereo.

 

[Shadydan]

Whatever we think of him he’s a full international and was a regular in the team, with lots of Prem experience..

Yes so Villa's value of £30m for a player with such potential in today's market shouldn't really be that surprising.

 

[walworthyid]

There are a lot of people going off on tangents about racism. I'm not buying some of it and I'm usually one of the people attributing things to racism when others don't.

Let's focus back: the main issue here is that Collymore accused Wright of being an Uncle Tom. That's not only incredibly insulting, it's also unsupportable. Since his retirement, Ian Wright has carefully styled his image as a well-to-do, stylishly-dressed and confident middle-class Black man, without having to crush his spontaneity or his sense of fun. He's managed to look and sound socially-mobile, without abandoning his roots, his personality or his accent.

I'm not sure Stan Collymore is well-placed to tell other Black men what kind of behaviour is acceptable from a Black man in the media. Ian Wright seems at home in himself. Stan Collymore, who is a highly intelligent guy, despite his sometimes erratic behaviour and mental health problems, might want to think hard about why he resents Ian Wright.

As for the person who suggested that mixed race people are "White": pffft! Society and bigotry say otherwise.

Well I'm mixed race DM and am neither white nor black! I'm mixed race. In fact, I would say that society considers mixed white and black heritage people like myself to be firmly black! Which as you say is purely down to bigotry.

Regarding Ian Wright, I must disagree with your assessment that he has styled himself in the mould of a middle class black man. The caveat of course being how one would define middle class, never mind black middle class! He is from a generation, in football and wider south London culture, where the differences between white and black kids in terms of the language they use etc are minimal. He has also spent many many years in the "go on, get stuck in son" bubble of working class, white-dominated football. I have always liked Ian Wright because he hasn't gentrified himself for the public, he is working class south london and doesnt try to hide it. He is however wealthy, very far from stupid and has experienced many things that the average south londoner will not have. As such he has inevitably changed to some degree. I myself, although a good bit younger than him, grew up not too far away and in a very similar environment and while there is still a bit of the 'council estate kid' about me I have been changed by my graduate and post graduate studies as well as my profession as a teacher. I do pride myself however on not returning from university with 'uni-voice'! Collymore, is an attention seeking and increasingly irrelevant individual who has to say these things in order to seem controversial and thus worth listening to!

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Well I'm mixed race DM and am neither white nor black! I'm mixed race. In fact, I would say that society considers mixed white and black heritage people like myself to be firmly black! Which as you say is purely down to bigotry.

Regarding Ian Wright, I must disagree with your assessment that he has styled himself in the mould of a middle class black man. The caveat of course being how one would define middle class, never mind black middle class! He is from a generation, in football and wider south London culture, where the differences between white and black kids in terms of the language they use etc are minimal. He has also spent many many years in the "go on, get stuck in son" bubble of working class, white-dominated football. I have always liked Ian Wright because he hasn't gentrified himself for the public, he is working class south london and doesnt try to hide it. He is however wealthy, very far from stupid and has experienced many things that the average south londoner will not have. As such he has inevitably changed to some degree. I myself, although a good bit younger than him, grew up not too far away and in a very similar environment and while there is still a bit of the 'council estate kid' about me I have been changed by my graduate and post graduate studies as well as my profession as a teacher. I do pride myself however on not returning from university with 'uni-voice'! Collymore, is an attention seeking and increasingly irrelevant individual who has to say these things in order to seem controversial and thus worth listening to!

It seems to me that your post agrees with everything I wrote, in every detail. Just a different choice of words and a differing emphasis on the relative importance of race and class - which I agree is very much up-for-grabs.

I certainly agree with everything you wrote!

 

[Lilbaz]

Whatever we think of him he’s a full international and was a regular in the team, with lots of Prem experience..

And we still over paid.

I hate this market value bollocks. We paid almost as much for dean richards as we di for vertonhen. Price is not the same as value and the market for football is all over the place.

 

[yankspurs]

Whatever we think of him he’s a full international and was a regular in the team, with lots of Prem experience..

He’s also shit. We’d do very well to even get half of what we paid back in a sale.

 

[rez9000]

And we still over paid.

I hate this market value bollocks. We paid almost as much for dean richards as we di for vertonhen. Price is not the same as value and the market for football is all over the place.

Exactly right! Just because we overpaid for one player doesn't mean that we should then proceed to overpay for a different player.

But just something to put that into it's proper context:

According to TransferMarkt, Sissoko has never been valued at more than £20 million, even when we paid £30 million for him.

Jack Grealish is currently valued by TransferMarkt at only £5 million. So, forget £40 or £30 million, even £15 million is three times what he's valued on that website.

It's like any other purchase - it is about finding the place where both sides are satisfied. If we want to pay £15 million and Villa want £40 million, then there will be negotiation until a price is agreed upon. And it's highly unlikely that that fee will be anywhere near how he is 'valued' by the market. And no matter what we may end up paying, that won't alter his actual market value much.

I don't think that £40 million is an amount that the club should pay for him. But that's not my decision, it's only my opinion, and an inexpert one at that.

 

[rez9000]

He’s also shit. We’d do very well to even get half of what we paid back in a sale.

I'd be happy just to get him off the books. I don't think he's a bad player, he's just not good for us, for whatever reason, be it the transfer fee affecting him or because he just can't play in Poch's system. He's shown that he isn't a good fit for Spurs, so he should really be moved on.

 

[JohanTheYid]

And we still over paid.

I hate this market value bollocks. We paid almost as much for dean richards as we di for vertonhen. Price is not the same as value and the market for football is all over the place.

Agree. A footballers "value" is ultimately what the owner is willing to sell for

 

[Bobbins]

If Grealish was worth what Villa think he is, he’d have torn the Championship a new one and won the club promotion.

As it is he performed reasonably well in a play-off standard side and thus unsurprisingly does not exactly have PL clubs smashing down the door to get him in.

£15m is a good price for Villa but I’d have no problem if they turned us down - he has some potential but he’d have to drastically improve to get anywhere near our first team.

 

[Gb160]

If Grealish was worth what Villa think he is, he’d have torn the Championship a new one and won the club promotion.

What, on his own?
Sounds to me like you don't watch much of the Championship.

 

[Lighty64]

came on here expecting 10 pages of Liverpool fans, 2 for Arse and Chelsea all moaning that we are having the rules changed to play Fulham at a different ground compared to the next 18 home matches, where are all our other forum whores gone? bloody on holiday I suppose

 

[EQP]

Not about us but I found this gem on Villa talk about the Bielsa appointment.

" Scientists have predicted that by the year 2025 no-one will be more than 12 feet away from a former Leeds United manager"

 

[Hercules]

Not about us but I found this gem on Villa talk about the Bielsa appointment.

" Scientists have predicted that by the year 2025 no-one will be more than 12 feet away from a former Leeds United manager"

They spoke to Bruce this week also

 

[TheChosenOne]

They spoke to Bruce this week also

Gone from hero to zero in a fortnight.

Villa almost pulled it off- lost out on £100 million plus just like that.

 

[parj]

If Grealish was worth what Villa think he is, he’d have torn the Championship a new one and won the club promotion.

As it is he performed reasonably well in a play-off standard side and thus unsurprisingly does not exactly have PL clubs smashing down the door to get him in.

£15m is a good price for Villa but I’d have no problem if they turned us down - he has some potential but he’d have to drastically improve to get anywhere near our first team.

Salah tore up the premier league... Liverpool finished 4th.

Grealish is a very good player. It's silly to think he is not. He stayed with Villa cos he loves them.

 

[HobbitSpur]

Maybe it’s just me being overly sensitive, growing up in the early 90’s when the only black people on TV was Andy Peters, Mr Motivatior and Denzil I got a bit of a bee in my bonnet about misrepresentation...

Chris Kamara is a throw back to when you needed to act like that to make it as a black man.

I spent an afternoon with Chris Kamara in a bar in Portugal many moons ago. All I can say is that he was exactly tge same personality in real life as he is on TV. A truly amazing afternoon full of belly-aching laughter and one that I will always remember fondly.

Shame that his natural personality was the reason why he made it in the media.

 

[HobbitSpur]

In what world has Grealish deserved to be a £30m player ? A championship player. £15m is more than fair.

I am worried that he is another Jack Wilshire. Potentially a great player but will amount to nothing. I hope I am wrong and if he does come then Poch can instill the work ethic that Wheelchair was never given.