What our opponents' fans are saying about us 17/18

[LexingtonSpurs]

End of.

Fact.

 

[taidgh]

By the rules he was offside..he was in a position in one phase to gain an advantage..offside..

This is how the FA define "gaining an advantage"

“gaining an advantage by being in that position” means playing a ball

i. that rebounds or is deflected to him off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent having been in an offside position
ii. that rebounds, is deflected or is played to him from a deliberate save by an opponent having been in an offside position"​

 

[C0YS]

A defenders touch doesn't nullify an offside, either way not sure why they're complaining, Kane misses the penalty anyway.

A touch doesn't, an attempt to play the ball does.

 

[Shadydan]

Never have I been so bored reading about such a contentious decision.

 

[fortworthspur]

I know the rules.. by the law it doesn't become effect until he touches the ball however he was offside in a position that effected the play..offside

they've changed. I thought so too but FIFA changed it not long ago. You arent offside from a deliberate touch by a defender.

 

[LamelasLeftBoot]

Fuck me can we stop arguing about how the offside rule works it's hardly on topic and frankly I don't get why any spurs fan would be arguing about a decision that went in our favour? Let's just put it to bed and go collect more scouse tears

 

[Mattspur]

Can i just say something about the first penalty decision that i think nobody has really picked up on. Ive looked again and again and i feel sky and most others have potentially missed it.

It is my belief that that the forward pass that alli makes actually takes 2 deflections. Its is hard to pick up on most angles but it first comes off the player that is directly trying to tackle dele. Deles pass is actually to lamela but is deflected into harrys path. Now why are they all talking about lovrens mistake touch as though it is the one that counts? The ball came off the pool player next to alli and then another (lovren) before harry is even in play

Having just seen the replay of the first penalty decision it does take a deflection and a miss-kick before it comes to Kane. Also, after Kane missed the penalty it should have been retaken as there was a Liverpool player who was stood about a foot inside the box whilst the penalty was being taken. He doesn't even try to stand outside the box.

 

[dagraham]

they've changed. I thought so too but FIFA changed it not long ago. You arent offside from a deliberate touch by a defender.

As far as I remember I that’s always been the case.

 

[Don_Felipe]

How salty is Lawro? Could stick him on my chips...

 

[Lilbaz]

My cousin who is an everton fan text me after kane scored the penalty.
- why didn't he do that the first time?
- because sometimes he can be a ****.
- we've got eleven of them.

 

[IGSpur]

Yeah my understanding too, but a question, if that ball went through then to Karious would it have been a passback? I’m pretty sure I’ve seen goals where a free kick has hit the wall only for it to be poached in then the striker given offside.

No because it wasn't an intentional pass. He tried to clear it

I also like the fact that they all totally ignore the fact that Salah was offside the first time he received the ball in the lbuild up to his second goal. What was more laughable was Sky focusing on Lamela being 0.001mm offside for our second penalty!

Where was Salah offside?

 

[taidgh]

No because it wasn't an intentional pass. He tried to clear it



Where was Salah offside?

he wasn't

 

[Lighty64]

Just been on Twitter, 100s of Liverpool fans who don’t understand the offside rule ....I give it 2 hours before rumours start circulating about a secret memo where a top spook admits the rules were changed to “bring down” Liverpool

what they don't understand, or to be totally honest a very high % of people that follow football is, if the 1st penalty isn't given, then a good chance Salah doesn't get his 2nd after initially being offside. if Kane had been given offside the ball starts in a different area, and no guarantee it goes the same path the rest of the match. Spurs deserved at least a point in the end, after gifting Liverpool their 1st.

it's like commentators when a team is leading 1-0, and that team has missed 3 excellent chances after, they come out with "this should be over, they should be 4-0 up". if the 1st 1 goes in, whose to say the team losing 2-0 don't score straight from the KO

 

[IGSpur]

he wasn't

Thought so. The only time I remember people saying he was offside, is the clip where someone on the far left was playing him on. So I was wondering if there was another part of the play where he looked off

 

[whitelanefever]

This is how the FA define "gaining an advantage"

“gaining an advantage by being in that position” means playing a ball

i. that rebounds or is deflected to him off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent having been in an offside position
ii. that rebounds, is deflected or is played to him from a deliberate save by an opponent having been in an offside position"​

Yet you could argue would Lovren have to play the ball if Harry was in the position he was in.. so to me watching it straight off..it was offsside. .not that it mattered with the miss.. but harry was clearly in a position to effect the play

 

[fletch82]

Yet you could argue would Lovren have to play the ball if Harry was in the position he was in.. so to me watching it straight off..it was offsside. .not that it mattered with the miss.. but harry was clearly in a position to effect the play

Well yeah but rules ennit

 

[nightgoat]

The fact that they don't leads to the Firmino situation, which could have ended badly, Firmino was clearly running towards the ball having been in an offside position and was affecting the play. Letting him believe he was onside could have led to a nasty collision with Lloris.

Firmnino should have been booked for that. He knew he was offside but still carried on and charged into Lloris. Shiny toothed twat.

 

[taidgh]

Yet you could argue would Lovren have to play the ball if Harry was in the position he was in.. so to me watching it straight off..it was offsside. .not that it mattered with the miss.. but harry was clearly in a position to effect the play

I played for years as a CB. I understand what you're saying, and the new interpretation drives me crazy as well. But that's not how the law is written. Interfering with play is only if there is a challenge for the ball or clearly blocking the GK's line of sight. Don't start trying to apply common sense.

 

[goughie1966]

A defenders touch doesn't nullify an offside, either way not sure why they're complaining, Kane misses the penalty anyway.

Actually a defender's touch does nullify an offside if there is a deliberate attempt to play the ball by the defender. Lovren took a swinging kick at the ball, it wasn't a deflection. Rule 11 from the FA (bolded text):

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• Definitions In the context of Law 11 – Offside, the following definitions apply:
• “nearer to his opponents’ goal line” means that any part of a player’s head, body or feet is nearer to his opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the second-last opponent. The arms are not included in this definition
• “interfering with play” means playing or touching the ball passed or touched by a team-mate
• “interfering with an opponent” means preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or challenging an opponent for the ball
• “gaining an advantage by being in that position” means playing a ball i. that rebounds or is deflected to him off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent having been in an offside position ii. that rebounds, is deflected or is played to him from a deliberate save by an opponent having been in an offside position.
• A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent, who deliberately plays the ball (except from a deliberate save), is not considered to have gained an advantage.

 

[Shadydan]

ffs really!?