What our opponents' fans are saying about us 17/18

[WalkerboyUK]

It’s just all the scouse die hards lumping on early & going all in. Every year they’ve got ridiculously low odds early on

Blind loyalty & delusion are expensive

And they all have to bet on a league title because that's the best way for them to turn in a tidy profit on their benefits (or blow them completely).

 

[alexis]

Is it deluded to think that a team who finished 25 (twenty five) points behind the winner to think they can win the Prem? City would need a serious downturn in form let alone Liverpool to win a further 8 matches, the suggestion is actually laughable and that goes for anyone of our rivals, there is no-one who are simply on the same planet as them.

It’s not what he said is it, if city have some bad form, doubtful agreed, and KDB has already said the points tally is unrepeatable. Then Liverpool could be on for the title and it’s not delusional. It’s not Liverpool winning 8 games it’s city maybe losing and drawing a few more and a challenger making up the difference. Not so laughable but pretty arrogant to think no one can challenge city.

 

[alexis]

I do agree that city are an absolute beast though and will take some stopping

 

[michaelden]

Klopp is better at coaching attacking play than Pochettino so I wouldn't be shocked if they leapfrog us next year based purely on the fact that right now below the top six everyone is fodder. I can't recall the league ever being as weak as this. But Pep is better coaching attacking football than Klopp and has more at his disposal. I can't realistically see Liverpool getting anywhere near City next year unless Klopp gets his team to learn how to defend. Because right now Liverpool are not good defensively at all once you beat their press.

I disagree with statement. I think we saw a lot of "weaker" teams pushing hard and getting the results. Plus in a weak league there'd be a few stand out teams and then the fodder all far behind. The points curve of this season's epl suggests it's not a weak league.

Found this article too. Not read it but the pictures are great for 2014

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/f...etitive-Premier-League-season-in-history.html

 

[FreddieYid]

Is it deluded to think that a team who finished 25 (twenty five) points behind the winner to think they can win the Prem? City would need a serious downturn in form let alone Liverpool to win a further 8 matches, the suggestion is actually laughable and that goes for anyone of our rivals, there is no-one who are simply on the same planet as them.

There was a 45 point swing between Chelsea and City from last season to this... So very recent history tells us it’s not impossible.

 

[Shadydan]

It’s not what he said is it, if city have some bad form, doubtful agreed, and KDB has already said the points tally is unrepeatable. Then Liverpool could be on for the title and it’s not delusional. It’s not Liverpool winning 8 games it’s city maybe losing and drawing a few more and a challenger making up the difference. Not so laughable but pretty arrogant to think no one can challenge city.

25 point swing means that City will need lose 13 points and Liverpool would need to gain 12, even then Liverpool would need to better their goal difference if the two teams are tied. Further to this City are on an upward trend and will inevitably improve, they may not reach the tally of 100 points again but you're asking an awful lot for other teams to suddenly stop them, I mean it's not as if many of them got close is it.

For Liverpool to catch them they will need to improve immeasurably and be near perfect and from what I've seen of Liverpool they have a lot to work on. Liverpool are also on an upward trend but I think city have more momentum personally.

It's deluded to think that a team who scraped top 4 on the last day can challenge a team who ran away with the league, if anything Man Utd are the best placed team to do it and even then I don't think they will get as near as they want to them

 

[Shadydan]

There was a 45 point swing between Chelsea and City last season to this... So very recent history tells us it’s not impossible.

There's a lot of mitigating factors as to why City overturned that swing, mainly them going out and and spending £200m and Chelsea losing Costa and Matic, unless City sell someone like De Bruyne and Liverpool go on a splurge then I don't see how it would be possible for it to happen.

 

[absolute bobbins]

Man Utd will be there nearest rivals if they get their summer dealings right. It's actually quite amazing how well Mourinho has done with this crop of players. Utd fans aren't happy at the style of football but their team and squad is comparatively poor and yet they've leap frogged us and still managed to get 81pts. They get a couple of good defenders and someone a bit more creative on the flanks then they'll give City a run for their money.

I think it's about time for the usual Jose implosion, 2.5 seasons and he will have have fucked off everyone supporting or working for Man United, except Duncan Castles

 

[Sevens]

I disagree with statement. I think we saw a lot of "weaker" teams pushing hard and getting the results. Plus in a weak league there'd be a few stand out teams and then the fodder all far behind. The points curve of this season's epl suggests it's not a weak league.

Found this article too. Not read it but the pictures are great for 2014

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/f...etitive-Premier-League-season-in-history.html

I don't know. The top six are so far ahead of everyone else. Arsenal had a poor year and yet their 6th place was never in danger and they finished 9pts clear of 7th. And 7th finished 5pts clear of 8th. I think the league has been getting increasingly "elite" for a few years now. We could have a really poor season and should still finish top six. I genuinely believe you have the top six now and everyone else is fodder at the moment.

 

[Saoirse]

Putting my betting head on for this one. City were very impressive this season, but nobody has retained the title for a decade now - it's very, very hard to keep those levels of performance up for two years. It wouldn't take a huge amount - it's pretty likely somebody will get to the high-80s, which means City only has to drop 6 points in the head-to-head compared to this year (i.e. a win into a defeat) and have a few frustrating draws to miss out. Having dropped off very slightly in the second half of this season, been destroyed by Liverpool, and benefitting from their rivals knowing they were uncatchable, I don't see this as at all unlikely. As an individual team they are rightly favourites, but I'd put their chances at the wrong side of 50/50 and the odds of around 4/6 seemvery poor value.

As for who could catch them, I'm going to rule out everyone outside the "Big 6" for obvious reasons. I'm also going to rule out Arsenal - the new manager could help them and they have a very strong home form to build on, but it's probably too difficult to improve their away form from 3 points in 2018 to a good enough level to have a shot immediately. In a move that I'm sure will prove less popular, I'm going to rule out us too. I think our home form is going to be roughly the same again, with it always taking time to adapt to a new stadium, and at 5th-best in the league it simply isn't good enough to win the title. That leaves Chelsea, Liverpool and United.

United I'd agree are at too high a risk of catastrophe give Mourinho's tendencies - he's been there a while, he doesn't have a great transfer market record, and his man management is lacking. If it all slots into place they could run away with it, but I think total collapse is more likely than that. As for Liverpool and Chelsea, I don't think there's a huge amount between them. Obviously the 4th place fight between them went to final day, Liverpool are in the CL final but had an extremely kind draw with the only strong side they faced being an ideal tactical matchup, whereas Chelsea have blown hot and cold all season with some very good spells and some very bad one. I would say, though, that Chelsea likely have more room to improve - they have clear deficiencies in the striker and central-midfield positions they can re-enforce, whereas Liverpool are very good but not quite elite across most of the field. Combined with the fact that Chelsea will likely improve at least short-term under new management and have tended recently to follow a good season with a bad one and vice-versa - their problems caused by squad personality and the management of it more than talent - I'd back them to do well next year. The fact that their odds are twice as long as Liverpool's is ridiculous, and if I was going to place a bet it would certainly be on them at 12/1. Obviously I hope that doesn't happen, but that's my two cents without bringing emotion into it.

 

[Bulletspur]

Man Utd will be there nearest rivals if they get their summer dealings right. It's actually quite amazing how well Mourinho has done with this crop of players. Utd fans aren't happy at the style of football but their team and squad is comparatively poor and yet they've leap frogged us and still managed to get 81pts. They get a couple of good defenders and someone a bit more creative on the flanks then they'll give City a run for their money.

Cannot agree with you about Man Utd's status. You seem to under rate the quality of their current squad and overate Mourhino's ability. Their results are not amazing in my book, more expected.

 

[michaelden]

I don't know. The top six are so far ahead of everyone else. Arsenal had a poor year and yet their 6th place was never in danger and they finished 9pts clear of 7th. And 7th finished 5pts clear of 8th. I think the league has been getting increasingly "elite" for a few years now. We could have a really poor season and should still finish top six. I genuinely believe you have the top six now and everyone else is fodder at the moment.

Yet Burnley were there until the end. A team hardly rated to even survive this season

 

[Shadydan]

I don't know. The top six are so far ahead of everyone else. Arsenal had a poor year and yet their 6th place was never in danger and they finished 9pts clear of 7th. And 7th finished 5pts clear of 8th. I think the league has been getting increasingly "elite" for a few years now. We could have a really poor season and should still finish top six. I genuinely believe you have the top six now and everyone else is fodder at the moment.

Depending on what era you're comparing it to, a decade ago you had the top 4 and everyone else, now it's the top 6.

 

[FreddieYid]

There's a lot of mitigating factors as to why City overturned that swing, mainly them going out and and spending £200m and Chelsea losing Costa and Matic, unless City sell someone like De Bruyne and Liverpool go on a splurge then I don't see how it would be possible for it to happen.

Which is why City remain favourites for the title next season. But I don’t think Liverpool’s odds are rediculous.

 

[robbiedee]

Which is why City remain favourites for the title next season. But I don’t think Liverpool’s odds are rediculous.

*checks thread title*

...I think you mean ridiculous

 

[FreddieYid]

*checks thread title*

...I think you mean ridiculous

Um... yeah... well... it was a play on words... Liverpool... red... get it?

 

[TwanYid]

They're saying no such thing, they set the odds that way as they have to cover themselves incase Liverpool do win it because of the massive number of bets they get each year, otherwise they'd be bankrupt if that were to happen.

Odds aren't set on likelihood that something will or wont happen, odds are set and adjusted by algorithms to ensure the bookie always wins.

Logged in to give this a winner rating. So few people actually understand this it’s incredible.

 

[Sevens]

Depending on what era you're comparing it to, a decade ago you had the top 4 and everyone else, now it's the top 6.

True as well. We did have a period of the so called "big four" and 5th place was much harder to attain due to that gap and the fact that 5th down was a lot closer in terms of ability than it is now.

 

[Sevens]

Cannot agree with you about Man Utd's status. You seem to under rate the quality of their current squad and overate Mourhino's ability. Their results are not amazing in my book, more expected.

Assuming 4-2-3-1, pick the best XI and bench between Spurs and Man Utd. I'd be interested in seeing if you have more Utd players than Spurs ones. Mine would be:

De Gea
Trippier
Sanchez
Vertonghen
Rose
Dier
Pogba
Eriksen
Alli
Sanchez
Kane

Subs
Lloris
Alderweireld (who would have been first choice had he played more this season)
Davies
Dembele
Rashford
Martial
Lukaku

In all honesty I am probably picking Pogba over Dembele on reputation alone. A lot of Utd fans think Pogba has had a poor season. Sanchez has been poor since joining Utd too but he did OK at Arsenal prior to the move. Son vs Martial or Rashford was a tough call too. Neither Martial or Rashford have shone this season but I do feel they have a lot of potential.

 

[alexis]

25 point swing means that City will need lose 13 points and Liverpool would need to gain 12, even then Liverpool would need to better their goal difference if the two teams are tied. Further to this City are on an upward trend and will inevitably improve, they may not reach the tally of 100 points again but you're asking an awful lot for other teams to suddenly stop them, I mean it's not as if many of them got close is it.

For Liverpool to catch them they will need to improve immeasurably and be near perfect and from what I've seen of Liverpool they have a lot to work on. Liverpool are also on an upward trend but I think city have more momentum personally.

It's deluded to think that a team who scraped top 4 on the last day can challenge a team who ran away with the league, if anything Man Utd are the best placed team to do it and even then I don't think they will get as near as they want to them

So three more wins is all we are saying so not laughable