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Houdini

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I'm not on /Facebook anymore thank fuck... which is just as well considering the amount of hate and vitriol that is spreading across all social media about the England team and especially the Spurs players.
It was always going to be a case of damned if we do and damned if we don't!
 

Houdini

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The annoying thing is all supporters of other teams have had all this ready for when we lost, but doubt they would of mentioned it if we won the thing

They would have had something tucked away to take the shine off the win, had it happened, they are deeply resentful and embitter any victory or positives that might have come by way of our players contributions...

fuck 'em....
 

topper

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Spurs have had a great tournament- probably provided more players in the semi-final than any other side, 6 different scorers (Kane, Dele, Tripps, Son, Christian, Jan) again more than any other side, probably the Golden Boot winner, probably the most goals scored by players from any one club side, and potentially the man who will lift the Cup. That should shut a few of the haters up!!
 

TheBlueRooster

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Couldn't give a toss what other fans say, in every game England scored a Spurs player scored. I was proud of each player regardless of which club they came from. I was following England but was proud of the way our boys performed. I just hope Southgate can lift them to win the third place play off.
 
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Cornpattbuck

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Southampton fan was bizarrely trying to lay the blame at Dier's feet last night. Literally the only player he named and shamed. Utterly bizarre.
 

Dillspur

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Southampton fan was bizarrely trying to lay the blame at Dier's feet last night. Literally the only player he named and shamed. Utterly bizarre.


That is bizarre, Henderson was very poor, I lost count of the number of times he gave the ball away or over hit that long ball to sterling. Dier seemed to calm things down and I thought we were going to win it until we switched off
 

Lighty64

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myself I think Rose should of come on earlier, and Walker should of come off earlier, and Henderson shouldn't of even started. he only had 2 decent games v Tunisia and Panama (my onions)
 

TheBlueRooster

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I find it hard to criticise because we did so well, but he took 20 outfield players but kept starting the same 11 when others could/should have started, to keep it fresh. Young looked old and Rose a left footed wing back should have started last night Sterling had a poor tournament and other options should have been used (I forgot Wellbeck was even out there). I think also we could have picked a side that could revert to 4 4 2 from 3 5 2 when needed.

That aside if we can win on Saturday that means they can come home having won their final game of the World Cup rather than losing the last two.

CO(y)E
 

double0

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In fairness to Gareth he did well I like Rose however Young did alright and has a better trusted delivery than Rose but that substitution should of been made earlier. Henderson I'm sorry isn't international class the only forward ball he has is a looping long ball but I suppose I will be shut down with stats.

England overall did alright there's a lot of positives and for the record Sterling is better than Rashford, I felt for the kid given hopeless balls to chase down.
 

longtimespur

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All the shit Sterling gets, which I can understand because of his end product, people don't see/understand how much problem defences have coping with his pace. It does create opportunities we just aren't clinical enough to finish them. Oh and Harry Kane playing as a AM instead of being the lead player does not help one iota.
 

sbrustad

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Henderson I'm sorry isn't international class the only forward ball he has is a looping long ball but I suppose I will be shut down with stats.
I've been surprised at the praise for both Henderson and Sterling by pundits throughout the tournament. I think they've been the poorest players to regularly start for England.

Whoscored stats seem to agree with us as well - sorted from highest to lowest overall rating:

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Stats aren't everything, of course, but they seem to indicate that Henderson hasn't had the best of tournaments. A side that wants to win the world cup needs a better midfielder IMO.
 

double0

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I've been surprised at the praise for both Henderson and Sterling by pundits throughout the tournament. I think they've been the poorest players to regularly start for England.

Whoscored stats seem to agree with us as well - sorted from highest to lowest overall rating:

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Stats aren't everything, of course, but they seem to indicate that Henderson hasn't had the best of tournaments. A side that wants to win the world cup needs a better midfielder IMO.


In fairness to Sterling I thought he was played out of position he did a lot of sprit chasing for himself and Kane tbh. I thought Southgate should of adjusted Alli's position to play nearer Kane and put Sterling wide in his position played at City.
 

tommo84

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In fairness to Sterling I thought he was played out of position he did a lot of sprit chasing for himself and Kane tbh. I thought Southgate should of adjusted Alli's position to play nearer Kane and put Sterling wide in his position played at City.

I agree with this. It felt in a lot of games that, by trying to accommodate all three of Sterling, Dele and Lingard, two of them were having to play a role which isn't natural to them and takes away some of their attacking threat. Lingard was the best performer of the three during the tournament, but I think he's the only one who plays a very similar role for his club. Going forward I'd like to see us play only two of the three - and it may be Dele who misses out more than the other two - but in trying to shoe-horn Dele and Sterling into roles that don't suit them (or Kane) this is one area where Southgate is a little guilty of repeating the mistakes of previous England managers.

Of course, the person who could have done Dele's role more naturally in Russia is Oxlade-Chamberlain but his injury scuppered that.
 

double0

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I agree with this. It felt in a lot of games that, by trying to accommodate all three of Sterling, Dele and Lingard, two of them were having to play a role which isn't natural to them and takes away some of their attacking threat. Lingard was the best performer of the three during the tournament, but I think he's the only one who plays a very similar role for his club. Going forward I'd like to see us play only two of the three - and it may be Dele who misses out more than the other two - but in trying to shoe-horn Dele and Sterling into roles that don't suit them (or Kane) this is one area where Southgate is a little guilty of repeating the mistakes of previous England managers.

Of course, the person who could have done Dele's role more naturally in Russia is Oxlade-Chamberlain but his injury scuppered that.

Again not taking anything away from Southgate he did great and probably saw a way that could get far by actually setting up the team around Lingards strength and Ashley Young deliveries. I too thought Alli was more used in the press and Kane was just given scraps.

It will all be Spurs fault no doubt we never won the world cup.
 

jonnyrotten

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I've been surprised at the praise for both Henderson and Sterling by pundits throughout the tournament. I think they've been the poorest players to regularly start for England.

Whoscored stats seem to agree with us as well - sorted from highest to lowest overall rating:

View attachment 39405

Stats aren't everything, of course, but they seem to indicate that Henderson hasn't had the best of tournaments. A side that wants to win the world cup needs a better midfielder IMO.
I think Henderson played pretty well to be honest. He moved well and gave defenders an option most of the time and got the ball forward more than i've seen him do before.
 

Marty

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A side that wants to win the world cup needs a better midfielder IMO.
I think everyone acknowledges that this is the area where England can improve most, but I didn't think Henderson had a bad tournament.

Now, if we can unearth a proper good busy Kante-style **** and at the same time develop Winks, Lewis Cook or maybe someone like Onomah into a top class ball-playing CM, we're in business.
 

worcestersauce

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All the shit Sterling gets, which I can understand because of his end product, people don't see/understand how much problem defences have coping with his pace. It does create opportunities we just aren't clinical enough to finish them. Oh and Harry Kane playing as a AM instead of being the lead player does not help one iota.
Imagine if we had someone with pace who did have an end product, I think that's the dilema with Sterling, it's a little unfair to condemn him for what he can't do when he did what he can do as best he could.
 

dg8672

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I think the most surprising thing I saw on Twitter after the match was notorious gooner Moh_Raider immediately blaming the loss on Spurs "legends" only to be completely shut down by OTHER Gooners.

They pretty much told him to sod off and started spewing the usual stats at him (9/12 goals, etc), and one actually told him to take off his 'hater' glasses for a moment and appreciate what they did. It was quite shocking.
 
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