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Sweetsman

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He was saying it in the context of people having to be patient and that what matters is that solid foundations are set down in the club. I think the loss hurt him a lot more than he will let on. He knows that his side are within touching distance of glory.
 

Gaz_Gammon

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You really cant blame him if he leaves. And the other players as well

To what Club?

PSG have got their man as have Munich (just announced), Arsenal have theirs, United, Liverpool and City all done and dusted and he won't go to Chel$ea.

So unless Rochdale plan to change manager then i can't see him going anywhere.
 

greywizard2020

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Disappointed that we seem to be 'the nearly men' of the league. I don't believe that we need an African nation's national deficit in order to win a title, despite it helping, its not a sustainable way to keep moving forward.

I still believe we don't move the ball quickly enough in the midfield; we don't have the searing pace that Liverpool, or Man City have in the final third. These guys have players who not only have the skill to execute sharp 1-2 combination play, but players like Mane, Sane, Salah etc all are capable 1v1 players, with the exception of Dembele & Son, we don't seem to be blessed with these types. We find it difficult breaking down opposition who set up with a low-block & we seem to also have an issue dealing with high-pressing teams, which was apparent against Liverpool away, both games against Man City & away at Arsenal.

After a chat with my father, I said that he ought to be more ruthless with players, in terms of 'are they good enough to win us a title?' I keep thinking of the likes of Sissoko & Lamela, perhaps a few others who have not reached the heights of previous seasons. Perhaps the Poch is too loyal to players who show just a good attitude. At this level that's a fundamental basic & if that's all you have, then its woefully short of what's required to win a league, or European cup.

Should the worst happen, then I would 100% make Maurizzio Sarri, the no.1 man to approach. Sarri's team play some wonderful football that is exquisite to watch, but its very focused on getting the ball forward quickly. He's got a relatively small release clause; he's worked with a team that hasn't cost the earth & he's improved every one of them.

We are on the cusp, but I think things need to change, just a little, in order to get us there.
 
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rupsmith

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Disappointed that we seem to be 'the nearly men' of the league. I don't believe that we need an African nation's national deficit in order to win a title, despite it helping, its not a sustainable way to keep moving forward.

I still believe we don't move the ball quickly enough in the midfield; we don't have the searing pace that Liverpool, or Man City have in the final third. These guys have players who not only have the skill to execute sharp 1-2 combination play, but players like Mane, Sane, Salah etc all are capable 1v1 players, with the exception of Dembele & Son, we don't seem to be blessed with these types. We find it difficult breaking down opposition who set up with a low-block & we seem to also have an issue dealing with high-pressing teams, which was apparent against Liverpool away, both games against Man City & away at Arsenal.

After a chat with my father, I said that he ought to be more ruthless with players, in terms of 'are they good enough to win us a title?' I keep thinking of the likes of Sissoko & Lamela, perhaps a few others who have not reached the heights of previous seasons. Perhaps the Poch is too loyal to players who show just a good attitude. At this level that's a fundamental basic, which shows woefully short of what's required to win a league, or European cup.

Should the worst happen, then I would 100% make Maurizzio Sarri, the no.1 man to approach. Sarri's team play some wonderful football that is exquisite to watch, but its very focused on getting the ball forward quickly. He's got a relatively small release clause; he's worked with a team that hasn't cost the earth & he's improved every one of them.

We are on the cusp, but I think things need to change, just a little, in order to get us there.

Generally agree. Posted this on another thread:

I wonder how many of the current squad we would need to retain. For me the following have to be replaced to take us to the next level:
1. Vorm (and Lloris needs a really good challenger. I thought Gazzaniga looked good);
2. Rose
3. Davies
4. Lamela
5. Dembele
6. Toby (if we cant get his contract sorted)
7. Sissoko
8. Llorente
9. Onomah
10. Janssen
11. JK Nkoudou
12. Carter Vickers

Thoughts?
 

shelfboy68

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Disappointed that we seem to be 'the nearly men' of the league. I don't believe that we need an African nation's national deficit in order to win a title, despite it helping, its not a sustainable way to keep moving forward.

I still believe we don't move the ball quickly enough in the midfield; we don't have the searing pace that Liverpool, or Man City have in the final third. These guys have players who not only have the skill to execute sharp 1-2 combination play, but players like Mane, Sane, Salah etc all are capable 1v1 players, with the exception of Dembele & Son, we don't seem to be blessed with these types. We find it difficult breaking down opposition who set up with a low-block & we seem to also have an issue dealing with high-pressing teams, which was apparent against Liverpool away, both games against Man City & away at Arsenal.

After a chat with my father, I said that he ought to be more ruthless with players, in terms of 'are they good enough to win us a title?' I keep thinking of the likes of Sissoko & Lamela, perhaps a few others who have not reached the heights of previous seasons. Perhaps the Poch is too loyal to players who show just a good attitude. At this level that's a fundamental basic, which shows woefully short of what's required to win a league, or European cup.

Should the worst happen, then I would 100% make Maurizzio Sarri, the no.1 man to approach. Sarri's team play some wonderful football that is exquisite to watch, but its very focused on getting the ball forward quickly. He's got a relatively small release clause; he's worked with a team that hasn't cost the earth & he's improved every one of them.

We are on the cusp, but I think things need to change, just a little, in order to get us there.
Your right we do not move the ball quick enough something that a lot of us have mentioned before but also we are a little too predictable with diagonal balls into the corners and sideways and backwards passing which stifles our rhythm.
Everyone knows how we play as recent as Tuesday night at Brighton when no one took on their full backs but instead chose to keep coming inside trying to go through a heavily contested middle which they and many others deal with easily.
Only when teams push up high on us with committed numbers do we then find the space and look more of a threat.
 

ginola007

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I think Poch and the top players will stay on for next season, on account of the new stadium and their stated comments about the need to be patience. But if next season turns out to be disappointing, then there will be a mass exit.
 

Montalbano

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To what Club?

PSG have got their man as have Munich (just announced), Arsenal have theirs, United, Liverpool and City all done and dusted and he won't go to Chel$ea.

So unless Rochdale plan to change manager then i can't see him going anywhere.
Madrid? Zidane could be sacked this summer or the next.
 

yiddopaul

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You really cant blame him if he leaves. And the other players as well
It's largely 'the other players' not turning up on these occasions is why we don't win trophies. Maybe if they could be arsed or whatever, they could achieve all their dreams with us. I would blame them for not finishing teams off.
 

Japhet

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Disappointed that we seem to be 'the nearly men' of the league. I don't believe that we need an African nation's national deficit in order to win a title, despite it helping, its not a sustainable way to keep moving forward.

I still believe we don't move the ball quickly enough in the midfield; we don't have the searing pace that Liverpool, or Man City have in the final third. These guys have players who not only have the skill to execute sharp 1-2 combination play, but players like Mane, Sane, Salah etc all are capable 1v1 players, with the exception of Dembele & Son, we don't seem to be blessed with these types. We find it difficult breaking down opposition who set up with a low-block & we seem to also have an issue dealing with high-pressing teams, which was apparent against Liverpool away, both games against Man City & away at Arsenal.

After a chat with my father, I said that he ought to be more ruthless with players, in terms of 'are they good enough to win us a title?' I keep thinking of the likes of Sissoko & Lamela, perhaps a few others who have not reached the heights of previous seasons. Perhaps the Poch is too loyal to players who show just a good attitude. At this level that's a fundamental basic, which shows woefully short of what's required to win a league, or European cup.

Should the worst happen, then I would 100% make Maurizzio Sarri, the no.1 man to approach. Sarri's team play some wonderful football that is exquisite to watch, but its very focused on getting the ball forward quickly. He's got a relatively small release clause; he's worked with a team that hasn't cost the earth & he's improved every one of them.

We are on the cusp, but I think things need to change, just a little, in order to get us there.


They also have players who make better decisions than ours in dangerous areas. The number of chances we balls up through selfishness or lack of vision is very poor, and you can't expect to challenge when that happens. Kane and Son have been very wasteful in this respect and when you only get a few opportunities against the teams we aspire to beat, you have to make the right choices. The golden boot isn't important to the team but some of the choices being made could, and have proved costly.
 

shelfboy68

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Madrid? Zidane could be sacked this summer or the next.
Yes but while poch will be on a lot of clubs radars I think Madrid would normally opt for a proven track record of success, this is where poch falls a bit short because he hasn't won anything to date.
 

MyNameIsNicolaBerti

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What is bothering me are Poch's comments about the project going on with someone else. Now we can speculate what he means, but I can only think it is one of three things. He feels he has come as far as he can without financial investment and is sending a "spend or I'm off message" to Levy. He has had his heard turned or he fears that if he doesn't start wining trophies he's going to be sacked. None of these are good to my mind.
 

Japhet

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What is bothering me are Poch's comments about the project going on with someone else. Now we can speculate what he means, but I can only think it is one of three things. He feels he has come as far as he can without financial investment and is sending a "spend or I'm off message" to Levy. He has had his heard turned or he fears that if he doesn't start wining trophies he's going to be sacked. None of these are good to my mind.


I think it's a message to the Board to back him in the summer. He'll want to experience the new stadium, hopefully for a few seasons.
 

jolsnogross

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Hopefully we can beat Watford next week and move toward wrapping up a top 4 spot. If we can't take 3 points from them, then you can bet the house on us finishing 5th. So despite the disappointment of yesterday, it'd be good to have a "no drama" end to the season and then take stock for next season. If we fail in the next 3 weeks, then we'll all be glad of a break from this bullshit and probably be in for a turbulent summer.
 

greaves

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Hopefully we can beat Watford next week and move toward wrapping up a top 4 spot. If we can't take 3 points from them, then you can bet the house on us finishing 5th. So despite the disappointment of yesterday, it'd be good to have a "no drama" end to the season and then take stock for next season. If we fail in the next 3 weeks, then we'll all be glad of a break from this bullshit and probably be in for a turbulent summer.

I think he is quite a humble man. He has said before that there is no guarantee he would be kept on if it was felt he was not performing up to scratch.
I think as long as Levy delivers on whatever promises or assurances he has made, Poch will stay.
I think he needs an arm around him. And who can blame him for feeling down?
 

rossdapep

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My worry with Poch is if he is having doubts whether or not he can win something for us himself. When United got that second it was a look of resignation over his face, I haven't ever really see him react like that before. Did he even believe that the players could turn it around??

Or maybe it was a look of resignation with the set of players? Maybe it was a moment of realisation that some of these players can't get us over the line and in that moment he realised that the game was up for some of them.

There's a few ways to read his words and reactions yesterday, let's see what the coming months bring as we should understand how he feels about everything. Like people have said, he's a humble guy, so he's probably looked at himself numerous times and this may be the first time he's ever had doubts publicly. Hopefully we secure top 4, he takes a little break and comes back uber determined and confident.
 

CheeseGromit

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I think his comments are deflection tactics so move the focus away from the game and defeat

Lot of mileage left in him at Spurs and I think the "project" is in good shape
 
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