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Roynie

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I'm sure that one of the ITKs, or it may have been at one of the THST meetings revealed that the banks had limited the club's spending until the financing of the stadium were sorted. The apparent purpose being to ensure that we didn't spend above our means. As of summer last year the financing was sorted and the restrictions from the bank were lifted. That was one of the reasons the over the last year or so most of our players have signed new contracts, thereby increasing our wages.

Consequently neither of the Redknaps know diddley squat about our finances. It's all rumour and speculation.
 

Bobbins

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If he knew more about it he wouldn't be so ill informed, what he's suggesting that we break our wage structure and pay beyond our means, basically spend money we can't afford, it's such a shit narrative perpetuated by ignorant people who fail to refuse to understand what is happening at Spurs.

I think the Spurs Pay agenda is driven much less by pundits ignorance, and much more by production teams who know it’s an easy subject to fill airtime with which will never be challenged because most football fans are entirely ignorant to the reality.

I’m sure Redknapp and co are perfectly well aware of our pay structure, the reasons for it, and our place in the financial world of football. They just don’t care because it creates an easy discussion topic and let’s face it - football is very uninteresting these days, there isn’t really much going on of interest (it’s the same old money buying the same old trophies), and the likes of Redknapp don’t have the tactical insight to be able to talk about the actual footballing part of the game.
 

bomberH

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If he knew more about it he wouldn't be so ill informed, what he's suggesting that we break our wage structure and pay beyond our means, basically spend money we can't afford, it's such a shit narrative perpetuated by ignorant people who fail to refuse to understand what is happening at Spurs.

I agree with this, but what this basically means is that we cannot afford to pay what the top players want unless we put ourselves in trouble, therefore the pundits do have a point that we might not be able to keep them. It’s just the repetitiveness of it all that does me in.

They have a habit of whispering how well the club is run, the amount of English players we’re playing etc but then shout loudly about how we can’t afford to keep them. Then they’ll moan when they fuck off abroad. I think only Jenas has said what a greatly run club we are and that’s probably because he’s biased. All the main pundits just follow each other, their first statements after a win is ‘can we keep Kane/Alli/Eriksen’ etc. It’s boring. I’ve noticed a few lesser known pundits like ex championship players are very complimentary about us and the way we’ve done things.

Out of all the Sky Saturday lot, I only have time for Le Tissier and even he says odd stuff at times, though is generally fair.
 

Yid_Summers

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Maybe been seen already but just caught this, can't say I disagree with much of it.



Redknapp is a twat. He’s saying it’s as simple giving Kane 250-300k a week. Then everyone will ask for parity with him. Add into account the FFP, no Jamie, it’s not as simple as that. You Knobhead.
 

Shadydan

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I agree with this, but what this basically means is that we cannot afford to pay what the top players want unless we put ourselves in trouble, therefore the pundits do have a point that we might not be able to keep them. It’s just the repetitiveness of it all that does me in.

They have a habit of whispering how well the club is run, the amount of English players we’re playing etc but then shout loudly about how we can’t afford to keep them. Then they’ll moan when they fuck off abroad. I think only Jenas has said what a greatly run club we are and that’s probably because he’s biased. All the main pundits just follow each other, their first statements after a win is ‘can we keep Kane/Alli/Eriksen’ etc. It’s boring. I’ve noticed a few lesser known pundits like ex championship players are very complimentary about us and the way we’ve done things.

Out of all the Sky Saturday lot, I only have time for Le Tissier and even he says odd stuff at times, though is generally fair.

Yeah I'm not arguing that we might not be able to keep our top players, it's the insistence that we absolutely should risk our finances just because we are on the verge of something great, it's as if he hasn't taken into account that we have a new stadium on the rise and we have to be frugal with our money.

It's not a small club mentality to be sensible ffs, just because others are paying their players obscene wages it doesn't mean we must follow suit, every time this fucking argument comes up no one ever seems to ask the question why we're cannot pay over the odds or nobody points out that our rivals maybe can afford to pay out, maybe it's due to how much money they have, so what happens when we pay our players more money...all that's gonna happen is that our rival's will just raise the bar and pay more. If we handed Rose a new contract worth £130k a week Utd will offer him £180k for example, it's just bad business to try and chase teams we have no chance of keeping up with.

It's nonsense like talking about the Carabao Cup loss as if we were guaranteed to win the fucking trophy, the manor in the way we lost was poor, okay fine but let's not pretend that the cup is a walk in the park particularly when you look at the last 4 winners of the competition...yes that's right teams who can easily outspend us. Neither of them have a clue regarding Alderweireld's contract situation despite the release clause coming out in the media many times they choose to ignore it and create a narrative.

My biggest issue is that pundits and the media tend to be reactionary and OTT, they only are experts of what's happening here and now and don't take into account that a club or player may be in bad form, it's probably because they don't want to look stupid when they go against a common opinion but it doesn't make for good punditry. There's no skill in stating the fucking obvious, I can do that with my mates down the pub, the skill is analysing situations and making a sensible conclusion based on the evidence that is put in front of them.
 

eddiev14

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Interesting piece from highly respected journalist Jonathan Wilson about our current position: https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ongevity-economic-gravity-mauricio-pochettino

I would say, however, that we've been through it before and come out of the other side (with Bale), so I think we'll be fine. It's also a bit weird that he's suggesting that the fans should be so worried about it. So, what, we're all supposed to just go and support City now?

As a Sunderland fan, he should know better.

I must say, though, I was shocked at the gulf in revenue between us and United. That is massive.
 
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Interesting piece from highly respected journalist Jonathan Wilson about our current position: https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ongevity-economic-gravity-mauricio-pochettino

I would say, however, that we've been through it before and come out of the other side (with Bale), so I think we'll be fine. It's also a bit weird that he's suggesting that the fans should be so worried about it. So, what, we're all supposed to just go and support City now?

As a Sunderland fan, he should know better.

I must say, though, I was shocked at the gulf in revenue between us and United. That is massive.

Good article. The last sentence sums it up perfectly i think:

'The game is about glory? Perhaps. But these days it is mainly about money.'
 

eddiev14

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Good article. The last sentence sums it up perfectly i think:

'The game is about glory? Perhaps. But these days it is mainly about money.'

It's interesting but a bit of a weird article.

Definitely feels like someone has told him to write it.
 

brendanb50

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Interesting piece from highly respected journalist Jonathan Wilson about our current position: https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ongevity-economic-gravity-mauricio-pochettino

I would say, however, that we've been through it before and come out of the other side (with Bale), so I think we'll be fine. It's also a bit weird that he's suggesting that the fans should be so worried about it. So, what, we're all supposed to just go and support City now?

As a Sunderland fan, he should know better.

I must say, though, I was shocked at the gulf in revenue between us and United. That is massive.

A pal of mine works at Manure and for his career it's a phenomenal commercial enterprise to be involved with. I was skeptical as to what Woodward's role was going to cover when he started at United but he's grown their commercials massively. They can spend like never before and have capitalised well on their global presence.

Definitely a model to emulate to an extent off the pitch.
 

sherbornespurs

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Interesting piece from highly respected journalist Jonathan Wilson about our current position: https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ongevity-economic-gravity-mauricio-pochettino

I would say, however, that we've been through it before and come out of the other side (with Bale), so I think we'll be fine. It's also a bit weird that he's suggesting that the fans should be so worried about it. So, what, we're all supposed to just go and support City now?

As a Sunderland fan, he should know better.

I must say, though, I was shocked at the gulf in revenue between us and United. That is massive.

What a gloomy, negative almost spiteful article.

Sure, it's going to be really tight to finish in the top 4 this season, but I'm really looking forward to it, and the challenge of the Champions League where we have Juventus in the last 16.

We've stuttered a bit over the past couple of months, but on the whole we've still managed to play some of the most thrilling, entertaining and attacking football in the league and we have some of the best, talented and coveted footballers in Europe in our team.

I do agree with the writer that we probably have one more season (in our new stadium) with the bulk of the current 'star' players, however I don't feel concerned, nor ever have, about players leaving, and it's laughable to even contemplate that I might have sleepless nights about the "state of the stadium in thirty years' time".

And as for "Teleological dread"? You can f*ck right off to 'Pseud's corner', mate - Poch has built a lovely team that I'm really proud of.
 
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glacierSpurs

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They can compare us to the rest of the top 4 and say all they want on our failings or shortfalls. I just really want them to have this perspective; compare us to teams like West Ham, Everton, Newcastle and even Aston Villa then. We are supposedly same level as them. Now see where they are and how are they. Then look back at us.

Give us some fucking credit.

These media do not see us as consistent big boys but expected us to maintain our level like one. Stupid irony.
 

Kiedis

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Someone will always be richer and better than Spurs, so start being very, very afraid. That's basically the gist of Wilsons piece, and I'm not gonna follow his advice.
 

sherbornespurs

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Since re-reading the article I'm drawn to the sub-headline;

"Mauricio Pochettino has given Spurs an identity and some great memories but the constant need for renewal, and the fear of losing ground to richer rivals, gives them a uniquely precarious look"

I get that the gist of his article is that the game's all about money, but why does "the fear of losing ground to richer rivals" and being "uniquely precarious" apply solely to our club? I can think of a few clubs whose current position puts them in danger of "losing ground".

Worse still, if we're projecting forward 30yrs as the writer implies by his snarky stadium comment, would be the loss to certain clubs of their laundered cash/oil rich owners.
 

jurgen

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Interesting it comes at the same time as a long article on the global brand 'City' who are buying up teams all over the globe and subsuming them into an impersonal corporate machine. If that's the future of football, it is a very dark one.

It's also 'interesting' how eager most football journalists are to help build that brand by creating narratives around Man City that romanticise their achievements and gloss over the money propping the whole thing up.
 

eddiev14

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What a gloomy, negative almost spiteful article.

Sure, it's going to be really tight to finish in the top 4 this season, but I'm really looking forward to it, and the challenge of the Champions League where we have Juventus in the last 16.

We've stuttered a bit over the past couple of months, but on the whole we've still managed to play some of the most thrilling, entertaining and attacking football in the league and we have some of the best, talented and coveted footballers in Europe in our team.

I do agree with the writer that we probably have one more season (in our new stadium) with the bulk of the current 'star' players, however I don't feel concerned, nor ever have, about players leaving, and it's laughable to even contemplate that I might have sleepless nights about the "state of the stadium in thirty years' time".

And as for "Teleological dread"? You can f*ck right off to 'Pseud's corner', mate - Poch has built a lovely team that I'm really proud of.

Yeah, it’s really weird. Especially from him as he’s normally such a good football writer.

Like I said, it feels like something he’s been told to do a piece on, rather than a subject he wants to properly tackle.

Bexause it’s also kinda half-arsed. I was expecting more analysis and balance but it just, sort of, ends.
 

Graysonti

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That article also being debated on COYS

Is this the same Man U and City we have frequently finished above these last 6 years ?

And we have designs of our own with the best stadium to match multiple sponsors and revenue streams coming on line soon - three anounced today and the Academy will include a hotel so that visiting international and CL teams to London can stay and train for a fee.

We will close the gap to a value that enables us to be competitive and regularly finish above them.

I’m very confident for our future.

We are a great club and I’m proud to be a supporter.

Anyone can win the lottery like City (they still called that ?)

COYS
 
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spursfan77

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Interesting piece from highly respected journalist Jonathan Wilson about our current position: https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ongevity-economic-gravity-mauricio-pochettino

I would say, however, that we've been through it before and come out of the other side (with Bale), so I think we'll be fine. It's also a bit weird that he's suggesting that the fans should be so worried about it. So, what, we're all supposed to just go and support City now?

As a Sunderland fan, he should know better.

I must say, though, I was shocked at the gulf in revenue between us and United. That is massive.

I like Jonathan Wilson for his inverting the pyramid but fuck me, has this narrative not been done to death already?

At least he mentioned about our finances being lower so credit to him for that. I don't expect him to do all the research or know as much as us, but he could at least quote Levy on the reason that our spending in the transfer market was kept low until this summer was on request of the banks who are financing the new stadium.

Lets wait and see what happens in the summer shall we, I think it will be different next year.
 

spursfan77

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Interesting it comes at the same time as a long article on the global brand 'City' who are buying up teams all over the globe and subsuming them into an impersonal corporate machine. If that's the future of football, it is a very dark one.

It's also 'interesting' how eager most football journalists are to help build that brand by creating narratives around Man City that romanticise their achievements and gloss over the money propping the whole thing up.

I find it weird. A few seasons ago the media were banging on that players were getting paid too much. Thats seems to have been completely lost. Now they aren't paid enough. Its not just with us either, although we seem to be in the crosshairs the most.

Man City are a nothing club to me although one we used to beat regularly and still actually do despite all their oil money. Them winning the league is nothing but a shit stain on the game.
 
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