What the pundits & media are saying about us

[CheeseGromit]

Those games were awful, really bad very little positives to take from them. We were in relegation scrape throughout most of the season. It was only in March that we were able to get 6 points between the relegation zone an us. Even with Redknapp we were dangerously close to relegation, it was a relegation battle. Its only because of our form in the last ten games that our final position didn't reflect really how close we actually were to relagation.

It was a very good talented side who had such a bad start, who were so low on confidence that we truly risked relegation with that time, if we stayed with Ramos I think we really could of been relegated, I really do, because those 8 games we showed no sign of being able to turn it around. No sign at all. A lucky draw against Chelsea aside we had no attacking edge and no structure, it why we didnt win.

Crystal Palace is a great example, there form has generally been good since sacking De Boer but that start almost cost them their league position, and they picked up more points in there 8 games than we did and we closer to safety. Yet if you asked a Crystal Palace fan if they would stay up a month or so ago, most thought they were going down. Crystal Palace showed you can stay up despite a bad start, but still truly risk relegation, we were better than this crystal palace but we also struggled to get out of a relegation scrap.

As I said things were not rosy We had picked up wins in Europe and League Cup during Ramos time that season so we had capability. it was always progress from the early days of Redknapp and it isnot easy to make great leaps up the table. Of course you cannot implode again but as i said we were not likely to with the players momentum and confidence. again in the season.

Actually I think C P start was worse than ours 7 games no points and no goals. yes they beat Chelsea but then didnt win again until late November. A clubs fans are always the most pessimistic in difficult situations and believe the worst.

I refer to where this started . Redknapp was not a bad manager for us, he got the ball rolling but he did in his time have a great squad and should have done better H

 

[spids]

All three of those deals have come since they won the FA Cup three times in four years. Before then, they really didn't spend huge amounts more than us.

Apart from their wage bill being double of ours! Amazed you are comparing us! ??

 

[spids]

When you consider Wembley and Net spend we’ve had a fkin amazing season! Even if since Chelsea away we’ve been shite. It’s all about 38 games and we’re the best team in London! Awesome achievement! Don’t forget Chelsea still spent big this year (as champions) and we’ve finished above them!

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Have you ever done any coaching or any management?

I managed Bayern Munchies in the early eighties. We won the St Lawrence, 3rd year subbuteo league and followed that by beating Vita Cracker in the European cup final.

 

[C0YS]

As I said things were not rosy We had picked up wins in Europe and League Cup during Ramos time that season so we had capability. it was always progress from the early days of Redknapp and it isnot easy to make great leaps up the table. Of course you cannot implode again but as i said we were not likely to with the players momentum and confidence. again in the season.

Actually I think C P start was worse than ours 7 games no points and no goals. yes they beat Chelsea but then didnt win again until late November. A clubs fans are always the most pessimistic in difficult situations and believe the worst.

I refer to where this started . Redknapp was not a bad manager for us, he got the ball rolling but he did in his time have a great squad and should have done better H

Well after 8 games Palace were in a better situation then us. I didn't look at seven, but after 8 they were a point up on us. Palace have done very well to survive relegation this season, but they had a real scare, and a few different results at a few different moments and they could of easily got relegated.

Well depends we had a really bad period around Christmas, were we were dragged back into the relegation zone, if we didn't pick up round then that would be a problem, a big one.

I Dont think the cup results signaled much possibility. We won against Newcastle, by the skin of our teeth, who at the time were second from bottom and got relegated at the end of that season, and we won the home leg against Wisla Krakow in the UEFA cup playoffs, who were a team of Championship level. Not that promising. The point is its all great to look back at that season and say we never really were likely to get relegated, the experience at the time was certainly the feeling that staying up was the priority and it felt relegation scrape.

The squad Redknapp inherited had good players but wasn't a good team. It lacked a lot of balance, it had no strikers, well Pav and Bent, Its defense wasn't all that - Hutton - Corluka - Dawson - Bale and sometimes King. Not a good defense a midfield where the holding midfielder we had was Zokora. Very odd team. Redknapp did very well to give balance to a completely broken team.

In fact Redknapp's strongest team, the one of his last season, contained very few players from that period. The only ones who regularly started from that period were Lennon, BAE, Bale, King and Modric, the vast majority of that squad were his signings. Namely Friedel, Walker, Kaboul, Gallas, Parker, Sandro, Van der Vaart, Defoe and Adebayor forming the core 14 players of that season.

Its not really true at all to say the team that became a success was inherited, he pretty much built his own team and played in a style that very much an exciting free flowing style. That team he had inherited wasn't that good when read it. The team he ended up having, particularly in his last season maybe should of done a bit better, but marginally, would of been nice to win something. The fact is the top 4 at the time were much stronger than now. Would of been nice to win something though, or sustain the title challenge that came in his last season for longer. But in context he picked up a team and culture with little experience of fighting on all fronts, who'd never been in the Champions League, ever. History will remember Redknapp's time at Tottenham as a massive success, and rightfully.

 

[CheeseGromit]

Well after 8 games Palace were in a better situation then us. I didn't look at seven, but after 8 they were a point up on us. Palace have done very well to survive relegation this season, but they had a real scare, and a few different results at a few different moments and they could of easily got relegated.

Well depends we had a really bad period around Christmas, were we were dragged back into the relegation zone, if we didn't pick up round then that would be a problem, a big one.

I Dont think the cup results signaled much possibility. We won against Newcastle, by the skin of our teeth, who at the time were second from bottom and got relegated at the end of that season, and we won the home leg against Wisla Krakow in the UEFA cup playoffs, who were a team of Championship level. Not that promising. The point is its all great to look back at that season and say we never really were likely to get relegated, the experience at the time was certainly the feeling that staying up was the priority and it felt relegation scrape.

The squad Redknapp inherited had good players but wasn't a good team. It lacked a lot of balance, it had no strikers, well Pav and Bent, Its defense wasn't all that - Hutton - Corluka - Dawson - Bale and sometimes King. Not a good defense a midfield where the holding midfielder we had was Zokora. Very odd team. Redknapp did very well to give balance to a completely broken team.

In fact Redknapp's strongest team, the one of his last season, contained very few players from that period. The only ones who regularly started from that period were Lennon, BAE, Bale, King and Modric, the vast majority of that squad were his signings. Namely Friedel, Walker, Kaboul, Gallas, Parker, Sandro, Van der Vaart, Defoe and Adebayor forming the core 14 players of that season.

Its not really true at all to say the team that became a success was inherited, he pretty much built his own team and played in a style that very much an exciting free flowing style. That team he had inherited wasn't that good when read it. The team he ended up having, particularly in his last season maybe should of done a bit better, but marginally, would of been nice to win something. The fact is the top 4 at the time were much stronger than now. Would of been nice to win something though, or sustain the title challenge that came in his last season for longer. But in context he picked up a team and culture with little experience of fighting on all fronts, who'd never been in the Champions League, ever. History will remember Redknapp's time at Tottenham as a massive success, and rightfully.

We are not going to agree and thats fine You will see Redknapp in a far better light than I do.

You have added several points that are not relevant to my position. You dismiss as largely irrelevant wins during the ramos time yet they were wins.

Hairs are being split about 1 point C P morale was pretty rock bottom

i made no reference to quality of players that achieved C L place and the team he inherited I do not think he ws instrumental in the recruitment process but he had some very good players by the time he left

 

[IfiHadTheWings]

I have fond memories of the Redknapp era but tis true that our tactics were as slack as the skin around his chin.

 

[Lighty64]

Yeah you might be right there, I'd somehow kind of forgotten about Jol but I also can't greatly remember which manager brought in certain players and such really. I just don't see Redknapps period in a negative way, especially considering what we were used to watching. I don't really want to get into an overdone argument and specifics about what Harry could and should have done and how he underachieved to be honest.

the thing is with the Redknapp days we used to have a very good XI like we do today, that had plenty of pace, but we never came up against teams that week in, week out parked the bus against us, as we always gave teams as many chances against us as we created.

 

[slartibartfast]

So.........what are the pundits saying about us?

I can tell you what they arent saying.

'Liverpool dropped to 4th as Spurs leap frogged them into 3rd place and sealed CL football for next season after Chelsea bottled it at home against Huddersfield. Liverpool may now finish outside the top 4 if results go against them on Sunday.'

No one is saying that.

No one lol.

 

[C0YS]

We are not going to agree and thats fine You will see Redknapp in a far better light than I do.

You have added several points that are not relevant to my position. You dismiss as largely irrelevant wins during the ramos time yet they were wins.

Hairs are being split about 1 point C P morale was pretty rock bottom

i made no reference to quality of players that achieved C L place and the team he inherited I do not think he ws instrumental in the recruitment process but he had some very good players by the time he left

For me its not about defending Redknapp here, he was flawed but did well, the bigger issue is this kind of historical revisionism that seems to think that we were not in real serious trouble when Redknapp was hired. If we were not he would of never been the Spurs manager. We got him because we were desperate and he considered an expert at keeping teams up.

I don't see hwo the Crystal Palace thing helps you, they had relegation fight, that lasted the majority of the season caused by a poor start. The same as us, in a similar situation. Doesn't prove what you can achieve, it proves you can survive, like we did, at the time we were the second ever club in the premier league to survive from that position, it was also the worst start we have ever made to any season in any league [after 8 games].

Im saying the fact Ramos won a few games, sandwiched in between league loses, did not show any ability to turn it around. The one against Newcastle, the second worst team in the league at the time, was followed by three consecutive league loses against Portsmouth, Hull city and Stoke city scoring only one goal in those games. The Walsaw win came earlier in the season at point we weree actually playing much better than we did towards the end of the run, we were at least scoring regularly at the point.


Pretty sure Redknapp had a big say on recruitment, we didn't have DoF under Redknapp, and we bought Saha and Nelson. Im sure it was a collective process, but I don't think it was a surprise, or coincidence that he was quick to bring in an actual holiding midfielder asap.

 

[punkisback]

He's one of the more sensible pundits who's onions are worth listening to.

I disagree. He usually hates us!

 

[BringBack_leGin]

After the West Ham defeat in the cup, Cottee and Gale were drinking in the Bobby Moore lounge. Gale was playing the big man, taking the piss out of Spurs and pretty much taking the piss out of the vips and luminaries who would have paid a lot to be there, Cottee was sat quietly enjoying his beer and staying out of it. Graham Roberts was so far up Gale’s arse be could’ve leapt out his mouth,

 

[SpartanSpur]

Absolutely. I've always been surprised at the amount of hate I've seen towards him from various Spurs fans to be honest. As a manager he gave me some of my absolute favourite moments as a Spurs fan.

The problem with Harry is that Chelsea-Munich happened on his watch, one of my lowest moments ever as a 31yo Spurs fan. If we didn't turn to shit as soon as he was linked with the England job it would have been easily avoided.

Now we've moved on from those disappointments it is easier to look back and enjoy some of what he brought to the club for sure (Inter 3-1 is still my favourite live Spurs game), and I do appreciate how he has our back in the media unlike his bitter son.

 

[Sir Henry]

Was definitely part of it. There was internal conflicts, but us taking the foot of the gas at the end of the season, definitely turned the fans against him and provided the perfect situation were he could get sacked.

I would have agreed with that if thats what you said

 

[Frozen_Waffles]

As far as the best football goes, there were about 4 games under Redknapp where we played proper football that was collective, coherent and excellent. The rest of the time it was about chucking out a group of extremely talented individuals into a lottery barrel and hoping their numbers came out more often than a group of less talented individuals did.

The fact that we got one CL qualification with a team that contained King, Gallas, Modric, Parker, VDV, Adebayor and Bale at a time when the PL was nowhere near as difficult as it is now, whilst managers like Rodgers, Ranieri, Klopp and Pochettino have exceeded that comfortably with (in some cases vastly) inferior bunch of individual talent in a much tougher PL demonstrates what a blagger Redknapp was.

This was before the PL contained the likes of Guardiola, Mourinho, Conte, Klopp (at the same time) and the massively enhanced squads and vastly improved tactical competence that we are operating in now. Can you imagine the possibilities if Redknapp didn't leave the coaching to Kevin fucking Bond?

What AVB achieved after Modric, Gallas, Adebayor (mentally) and VDV had departed was more impressive. I only wish we'd hired him instead of Redknapp and we might have got what Porto got with the squad we had at the time. Talented players and good coaching and work ethic.

You only think Redknapp was great because he told you so. Constantly.

Best regards
The Duke of Churlingham

Can I ask you a personal question? Are you English?

The reason I ask is your posts consistently attack Dier, Alli and now Redknapp. Maybe an anti English bias?

As for more AVB, errrr......

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Can we get this thread back on topic please?

Namely, moaning about agenda/media bias and pundits/commentators.

 

[Shadydan]

Can we get this thread back on topic please?

Namely, moaning about agenda/media bias and pundits/commentators.

Prefer the Redknapp stuff compared to that nonsense tbh

 

[alfie103]

I managed Bayern Munchies in the early eighties. We won the St Lawrence, 3rd year subbuteo league and followed that by beating Vita Cracker in the European cup final.

Fair enough. It was a genuine question as you seem to have the passion for it so maybe worth a go?

 

[alfie103]

Can I ask you a personal question? Are you English?

The reason I ask is your posts consistently attack Dier, Alli and now Redknapp. Maybe an anti English bias?

As for more AVB, errrr......

Don't forget Kyle Walker

 

[Trix]

It's been done to death so I'm not going into it again, but that's not why Redknapp was sacked.

No it's because he makes Little finger look like Mother Teresa.