wrd
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The terrible way we lost to Leicester aswell
What the pundits & media are saying about us
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The terrible way we lost to Leicester aswell
TottenhamMattSpur
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worcestersauce
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They've been pushing the Spurs against the locals line since day one.
wrd
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Alderweireld decided to rugby tackle Dier leaving Huth completely free
Locotoro
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Correction: he's stood up for himself
Lighty64
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the most annoying thing about that season though was the 2 times we could go ahead, we failed to take advantage against our 2 nearest in distance rivals, and the game to keep any hope alive we messed up v WBA, but being 2-0 up v Chelsea it made better headlines
I can see Neville's point and to be fair he does stick up for us a fair bit and is a huge fan of Poch and he was right in the sense that we have been 'spursy' which i dont think we can deny.
However Harry also has a point and in my view that team was just awesome, Bale, VDV, Lennon at full throttle, Modric et al but we still didnt win anything. I think that is what Neville is getting at.
Lets not forget he was also talking a great deal of sense when he was saying we dont have the money to spend yet punching above our weight.
However Harry also has a point and in my view that team was just awesome, Bale, VDV, Lennon at full throttle, Modric et al but we still didnt win anything. I think that is what Neville is getting at.
Lets not forget he was also talking a great deal of sense when he was saying we dont have the money to spend yet punching above our weight.
mpickard2087
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Redknapp can only complain about Neville's use of the word 'rubbish' when it comes to the team of his era. Apart from that one word against that specific team everything else he says is completely correct.
I've been watching since 1995 and you could indeed say the same about all of our teams of the PL era. A smattering of talent but mainly mediocre teams that often flattered to deceive and languished in midtable because they had absolutely no bollocks about them as a collective. Didn't work hard, didn't want to do the dirty stuff, the nitty gritty. Roll their sleeves up and get the job done.
The revolution after 2004 that has led a path to where we are as a club now obviously improved the talent we had as a squad, but in those years afterwards these more talented teams still shared those characteristics, or rather lack of them. Redknapp's team was almost the perfect example of this - some of the best talents we've had for many many years but a team that just went out and winged it. Go and do your own thing, don't worry about defending or putting in a shift etc. Yes it blew away plenty of teams, had good times, we also got plenty of games where we were involved in silly bollocks open football making two-bit teams look much better than they were and when blips started to happen the wheels often fell off as we didn't have any resilience to fall back on. And ultimately, you knew at some point this would rear it's head and ruin all the work done.
Things apparently couldn't get better than that, we were told that many times. By the man himself and several of his flock on here. Well we finally appointed a coach who didn't think playing good football and working your bollocks off were mutually exclusive and look what happened.......
For a long period of time those successive teams were , in several facets of the game, crap. Hopefully they don't return. When Poch is done here, I hope those remaining at the club have it burned into their psyche now the minimum standards of hardwork, fitness, mentality, toughness, resilience etc that is required. And then, hopefully, build on them......
I've been watching since 1995 and you could indeed say the same about all of our teams of the PL era. A smattering of talent but mainly mediocre teams that often flattered to deceive and languished in midtable because they had absolutely no bollocks about them as a collective. Didn't work hard, didn't want to do the dirty stuff, the nitty gritty. Roll their sleeves up and get the job done.
The revolution after 2004 that has led a path to where we are as a club now obviously improved the talent we had as a squad, but in those years afterwards these more talented teams still shared those characteristics, or rather lack of them. Redknapp's team was almost the perfect example of this - some of the best talents we've had for many many years but a team that just went out and winged it. Go and do your own thing, don't worry about defending or putting in a shift etc. Yes it blew away plenty of teams, had good times, we also got plenty of games where we were involved in silly bollocks open football making two-bit teams look much better than they were and when blips started to happen the wheels often fell off as we didn't have any resilience to fall back on. And ultimately, you knew at some point this would rear it's head and ruin all the work done.
Things apparently couldn't get better than that, we were told that many times. By the man himself and several of his flock on here. Well we finally appointed a coach who didn't think playing good football and working your bollocks off were mutually exclusive and look what happened.......
For a long period of time those successive teams were , in several facets of the game, crap. Hopefully they don't return. When Poch is done here, I hope those remaining at the club have it burned into their psyche now the minimum standards of hardwork, fitness, mentality, toughness, resilience etc that is required. And then, hopefully, build on them......
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spud
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Fine post.
I'd take it a step further. If Poch had the players Redknapp had, we would have won the league by now; and if Redknapp was our current manager we would have been playing in the Europa League for some or all of the last three years. (Plus an over-paid has-been would be playing up top while a still undeveloped Kane warmed the bench.)
double0
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I will not accept you speaking about Adebayor like that he served a purpose and in fact helped Kane
ItsBoris
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Gary Neville is absolutely right imo. The point isn't that we haven't had some really excellent players, even "true professionals" as Harry would put it, but that we've underachieved because of a lack of grit and winning mentality in the team and club. You can't ignore than time and again when we're in a position to win something we've screwed up. In Harry's day it was even worse because the goal was always top 4 and we'd inevitably fuck that up royally toward the end of the league campaign when it was in our own hands.
I'm not sure why it seems to be part of the club's identity, but for whatever reason it is. Maybe it's because we rarely buy players who have won major trophies - we usually buy cheaper players who we think we can develop - and we usually don't hire managers on the basis of what they've won. Of the last few managers we've had, as far as I'm aware none of them had ever won the title in one of the top 5 leagues in Europe. So basically they have no idea how to win a title in a major league with serious competition. I do feel as though Poch has improved our mentality somewhat, but we're still not a team with a strong collective will.
On the contrary, our competitors have managers who have experience preparing for the most important matches in the world and who have numerous big trophies on their resumes, and have squads chalked full of players with league titles.
I'm not sure why it seems to be part of the club's identity, but for whatever reason it is. Maybe it's because we rarely buy players who have won major trophies - we usually buy cheaper players who we think we can develop - and we usually don't hire managers on the basis of what they've won. Of the last few managers we've had, as far as I'm aware none of them had ever won the title in one of the top 5 leagues in Europe. So basically they have no idea how to win a title in a major league with serious competition. I do feel as though Poch has improved our mentality somewhat, but we're still not a team with a strong collective will.
On the contrary, our competitors have managers who have experience preparing for the most important matches in the world and who have numerous big trophies on their resumes, and have squads chalked full of players with league titles.
spud
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Your defence of Adebayor is touching and may be valid.
I didn't specifically mean that Adebayor would still be at the club, simply that Redknapp would have recruited a striker past his best who would be keeping Kane out of the team, and who would therefore have not reached his current level.
teok
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I agree with all of this. Spurs don't need to be "stuck up for".
Neville never said we didn't have good players or have good results every now and then. Also his managing of valencia is completely unrelated to the point he is making.
Harry had a terrible spell at QPR that doesn't mean has any more or less of a right to an opinion either.
https://www.football365.com/news/nevilles-advocate-why-the-valencia-argument-is-bcks
Neville never said we didn't have good players or have good results every now and then. Also his managing of valencia is completely unrelated to the point he is making.
Harry had a terrible spell at QPR that doesn't mean has any more or less of a right to an opinion either.
https://www.football365.com/news/nevilles-advocate-why-the-valencia-argument-is-bcks
HildoSpur
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I thought Neville was pretty fair in his comments and is generally very complimentary to the club in general. Let's be honest, we have had to endure many, many matches over the years when we have just capitulated and not lived up to the hype. Poch is changing that but we still have a long way to go.
rossdapep
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Redknapp seems to have taken this very personally when I don't think it's anything of the sort. Neville is by large, absolutely right and it's obvious he's talking about the PL era as a whole and not recent memory. We were pathetic! How many times would we completely roll over after a rough spell in a game?
Even with Redknapp though when we had the likes of Modric, VDV, King and Bale, we still had moments of self-destruction. Teams only had to switch a gear and we would fall apart.
2-up against Arsenal in 2012 - lost 5-2
2-up against United in 2009 - lost 5-2
Chelsea semi-final - lost 5-1
Going to Madrid and being pretty much out of the game 5 mins in and then REALLY out of it 10 mins later.
Going to Inter and being 4 down after 35 mins - okay we pulled it back but it shows how we buckle often.
Don't get me wrong we improved massively and we were enjoying to watch but you still felt we were always a bad decision/goal away from completely falling apart.
In Poch's era you can count on one hand the amount of times we have self-destructed. That's testament to his focus on mentality.
Even with Redknapp though when we had the likes of Modric, VDV, King and Bale, we still had moments of self-destruction. Teams only had to switch a gear and we would fall apart.
2-up against Arsenal in 2012 - lost 5-2
2-up against United in 2009 - lost 5-2
Chelsea semi-final - lost 5-1
Going to Madrid and being pretty much out of the game 5 mins in and then REALLY out of it 10 mins later.
Going to Inter and being 4 down after 35 mins - okay we pulled it back but it shows how we buckle often.
Don't get me wrong we improved massively and we were enjoying to watch but you still felt we were always a bad decision/goal away from completely falling apart.
In Poch's era you can count on one hand the amount of times we have self-destructed. That's testament to his focus on mentality.
Monkey boy
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Great points, what Redknapp also fails to mention after he bangs on about beating Inter Milan is the very next game we lost to Bolton 2 nil who later went on to be relegated. The very definition of spursy in my opinion.
King of Otters
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All this shows what an ego Harry has on him really. He's taken generalised comments extremely personally, and made himself (and us), look a bit silly.
I'm sure I wasn't the only who cringed to hear him trotting our record against Liverpool in his tenure as some kind of great achievement.
I'm sure I wasn't the only who cringed to hear him trotting our record against Liverpool in his tenure as some kind of great achievement.
rossdapep
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We actually lost 4-2 to Bolton. We were 3-down and rallied to make it 3-2 but conceded late.
Bolton were a bogey team for us for such a long time. They always outworked us.
