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Who will be our next manager?

Who will be the next full time manager ?

  • In house appointment - Bond, Jordan, Allen, Sherwood

    Votes: 20 3.1%
  • Mourinho

    Votes: 201 30.8%
  • Ancelotti

    Votes: 19 2.9%
  • Capello

    Votes: 16 2.5%
  • Hiddink

    Votes: 28 4.3%
  • Van der Aal

    Votes: 4 0.6%
  • Hoddle

    Votes: 12 1.8%
  • Jol

    Votes: 9 1.4%
  • Rodgers

    Votes: 98 15.0%
  • Lambert

    Votes: 20 3.1%
  • Hughton

    Votes: 7 1.1%
  • Moyes

    Votes: 122 18.7%
  • Pardew

    Votes: 4 0.6%
  • Someone else

    Votes: 93 14.2%

  • Total voters
    653

spursfan77

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Aug 13, 2005
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How can you say Martinez or Rodgers are inexperienced ?

They are both Premier League managers

I would much prefer going for a young up and coming dynamic manager who has distinct ideas than someone looking for a final bumper pay day

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...rtinez-shock-candidate-for-Tottenham-job.html




Inexperienced in comparison to Capello, Benitez or can Gaal.

I just think our current players would respond better to one of them than they would to a younger guy.
 

Hoddle_Ledge

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Sep 20, 2005
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Dave Whelan resigned to losing Roberto Martinez to "big club" at some point, "he will leave with my blessing" Whelan tells BBC's Sportsweek.
 

Ginolas_Hair

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I'm not convinced by the Martinez link - part of it scares me a little.

Yes he's done wonders at Wigan on a low budget and does seem to instill a fighting mentality but this good form Wigan are having doesn't cover up the fact they are usually fighting for Prem survival every season.

Moyes managed to push Everton in to Champs League and they usually contend with Europa League places year after year with little or no financial input. He harvests youth players and uses Everton's academy well. Surely, this is a better business model in Levy's eyes than Martinez.
 

radkovic

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Aug 13, 2010
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we all seem pretty sure redknapp won 't be here next season, but.... there's still a tiny chance things won't go our way, he won't get the england job and somehow manages to stay in charge. just think of that, it's a pretty creepy thought, isn't it? I'd be pretty worried and pissed off if he's still our manager come june... i mean credit to him for saving us from the shit we were in when he came, also thanks for that 4th spot, but apparently it's time to move on and it's been a while now...
 

StartingPrice

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Feb 13, 2004
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Rodgers' 5 points from 21 this spring is actually even worse than Redknapp's 6 from 21.

Interesting, though, isn't it, that our implosion came after Capello-Gate, and Swansea's blip came after he was linked to us as a favourite (bookies) to replace said RatKnip.

Also, have you answered my response to your post on the Sherwood thread, yet?
 

Bill_Oddie

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Feb 1, 2005
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The amount of candidates, credible ones at that, is actually ridiculous. It's getting to the point where Levy should approach UEFA andbribe them take over the European Championships, sack every manager currently in it and replace them with our shortlist of candidates. Rodgers can take over Germany, Martinez has France, Lambert has Netherlands, Moyes gets Ukraine, Benitez is Poland, Ancelotti Sweden and Tim Sherwood Spain. Harry takes England and the eventual winning manager gets the Spurs job for next season.

JJ, can you recommend it to your contact next time you're chatting...?
 

StartingPrice

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The amount of candidates, credible ones at that, is actually ridiculous. It's getting to the point where Levy should approach UEFA andbribe them take over the European Championships, sack every manager currently in it and replace them with our shortlist of candidates. Rodgers can take over Germany, Martinez has France, Lambert has Netherlands, Moyes gets Ukraine, Benitez is Poland, Ancelotti Sweden and Tim Sherwood Spain. Harry takes England and the eventual winning manager gets the Spurs job for next season.

JJ, can you recommend it to your contact next time you're chatting...?

Benitez in Poland is the only reason I could think of wanting it to be 1939 again :eek:
 

steve

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Oct 21, 2003
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They have done some useful player trading each summer, but that money's invariably been ploughed back into the squad: http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/wigan-athletic-transfers.html

The one thing I like about Martinez is he has a philosophy and sticks to it, and he also manages to keep his team onside and motivated, but I don't think we've ever seen his philosophy consistently demonstrated on the football pitch, we've seen it in fits and spurts, but we've also seen some dire stuff from them too. He does have a track record, and to judge him you've got to look at the good and the bad, but of course put it all into the context of the kind of resources he's had available to him. Based on the above I think the biggest question mark must be over his method: exciting philosophy; patchy application.

Whilst on the subject of philosophy, I had a thought this morning about what in a very general sense separates the likes of Redknapp, Rodgers, Wenger and Martinez, from people like Allardyce, O'Neill, Lambert, and Moyes: the first group are primarily proactive; the second group are first reactive and second proactive. What separates Redknapp from Wenger, is that Redknapp doesn't have a coherent philosophy, nor does he have an effective method; I said elsewhere that he's a curator rather than a coach, he looks to benefit from the fruit of better coaches work, purchasing players he says have a good mentality, usually instilled by better coaches at their former clubs. After that, for Redknappo it's just a question of picking a team and leaving them to it - this is why he'd make a great national coach.

Redknapp tactically is hugely reactive and I don't think he has any sort of coherent philosophy at all apart from getting the best players he can (which goes for every manager) and then getting them to pass the ball to each other and express themselves. Does that make him more proactive than Moyes or Allardyce? I don't think he's proactive at all in that sense...

What makes you say Martinez or Rodgers are any more proactive than Allardyce or Moyes? They all have definite philosophies - it just seems some people prefer one over another.

And Martinez might plough the money back in but it still damages his squad to consistently lose his best players (Valencia, Palacios, Baines to name a few) and prevents him from ever building anything more than a team that is all about surviving every year...
 

Bill_Oddie

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Sloth, just read your excellent post on Moyes' signings in the other thread. Replying here as this is where most of the chat is. Just wanted to make an additional point that hadn't occurred to me before:

Moyes' best signings: Arteta, Pienaar, Baines, Jagielka, Howard, Fellaini and Lescott. I think it's safe to say pretty much all of those were "known quantities". Arteta was triffic in Scotland, Baines and Jags were hugely on everyone's radars, Howard came from Man Utd and half of Europe fancied Fellaini. I suddenly feel less than whelmed by his transfer activity.
 

Mr Pink

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Aug 25, 2010
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Redknapp tactically is hugely reactive and I don't think he has any sort of coherent philosophy at all apart from getting the best players he can (which goes for every manager) and then getting them to pass the ball to each other and express themselves. Does that make him more proactive than Moyes or Allardyce? I don't think he's proactive at all in that sense...

What makes you say Martinez or Rodgers are any more proactive than Allardyce or Moyes? They all have definite philosophies - it just seems some people prefer one over another.

And Martinez might plough the money back in but it still damages his squad to consistently lose his best players (Valencia, Palacios, Baines to name a few) and prevents him from ever building anything more than a team that is all about surviving every year...

Nzogbia as well, they really have lost some good players.
 

steve

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Oct 21, 2003
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Sloth, just read your excellent post on Moyes' signings in the other thread. Replying here as this is where most of the chat is. Just wanted to make an additional point that hadn't occurred to me before:

Moyes' best signings: Arteta, Pienaar, Baines, Jagielka, Howard, Fellaini and Lescott. I think it's safe to say pretty much all of those were "known quantities". Arteta was triffic in Scotland, Baines and Jags were hugely on everyone's radars, Howard came from Man Utd and half of Europe fancied Fellaini. I suddenly feel less than whelmed by his transfer activity.

So basically his 'safe' bets as you seem to suggest did well...sounds like Redknapp to me or Ferguson...I don't really see what point it makes unless to tell you that transfers carry risk and they all hit and miss....Fergie's signed LOADS of duds...everyone knew about Veron and Kleberson - and they still failed....
 

Bill_Oddie

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So basically his 'safe' bets as you seem to suggest did well...sounds like Redknapp to me or Ferguson...I don't really see what point it makes unless to tell you that transfers carry risk and they all hit and miss....Fergie's signed LOADS of duds...everyone knew about Veron and Kleberson - and they still failed....

Fair point. You can certainly look at it that way. My comment was more about the quality of his scouting/player research as that is just as big as closing a deal, i.e. He hasn't picked up many unknowns that have worked out in a big way. You could more than fairly comment that Moyes obviously scouted Kyle Walker and would have done the deal had Everton been as attractive a club as Spurs. But then, again, people who watch the Champo knew Walker was going to be something special. Maybe Moyes would do better with more resources for scouting..?
 

StartingPrice

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Sloth, just read your excellent post on Moyes' signings in the other thread. Replying here as this is where most of the chat is. Just wanted to make an additional point that hadn't occurred to me before:

Moyes' best signings: Arteta, Pienaar, Baines, Jagielka, Howard, Fellaini and Lescott. I think it's safe to say pretty much all of those were "known quantities". Arteta was triffic in Scotland, Baines and Jags were hugely on everyone's radars, Howard came from Man Utd and half of Europe fancied Fellaini. I suddenly feel less than whelmed by his transfer activity.

Cahill?
Bit of talk about him for quite a while, but Moyes was the only one to make Milwall an offer and take him on.
 

sim0n

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Jan 29, 2005
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Okay, how about this? Watching the post match Spurs v Blackburn coverage, how about Hoddle at manager with Ray Wilkins as assistant?.... Dunno, just throwing that out there... ;)
 

steve

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Fair point. You can certainly look at it that way. My comment was more about the quality of his scouting/player research as that is just as big as closing a deal, i.e. He hasn't picked up many unknowns that have worked out in a big way. You could more than fairly comment that Moyes obviously scouted Kyle Walker and would have done the deal had Everton been as attractive a club as Spurs. But then, again, people who watch the Champo knew Walker was going to be something special. Maybe Moyes would do better with more resources for scouting..?

Fair point straight back at ya.

I think when you're forced to bargain hunt the percentages of success start to diminish somewhat. Redknapp made some great signings at West Ham but some shit ones as well, gambling on youngsters or aging pros (not the type I gamble on of course) and hitting with some but missing with others. As you say and oppositely I find it quite reassuring, when Moyes has a few bob he selects his players well generally. He'll certainly have a few bob at Spurs plus the added draws of our greater recent success, the players we already have, London and our ability to pay decent wages. And even then it can all go wrong...Bentley anyone?

He's brought through some decent youngsters as well at Everton, not just thatch head but Coleman, Hibbert and Barkley to name a few. I don't think he'll be our manager anyway and I'm not hanging my hat on anyone particularly (if pushed I'd take Moyes of those realistically available) as they're all a gamble as H was but I think some (not you BO) are choosing their manager and then making the evidence for them and against others fit. And that's not cricket really is it?
 
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