Who will win the bid?

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  1. Hoowl

    Hoowl Dr wHo(owl) Staff

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    I'm not naive enough to think we're not biased one way or the other but, trying to set that aside, who do you think will win the bid for the OS?

    The OPLC has promised to judge the rival bids on five criteria:

    1) value for money,
    2) ability to deliver,
    3) to reopen as rapidly as possible,
    4) to ensure the stadium remains "a distinctive physical symbol"
    5) to allow "flexible use of the stadium"
     
  2. michaelden

    michaelden Knight of the Fat Fanny

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    I think they will delay the decision again or say they are going with 2 preferred bidders until the March deadline
     
  3. ethanedwards

    ethanedwards Snowflake incarnate.

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    Without knowing the details of each bid I assume from what is known we would beat WH on the criteria as stated.
    The stumbling block is the running track, I firmly believe G&S are out to make a quick killing, promise whatever get the OS and sell to whoever once they get it.
    I would doubt very much there will be a running track there in a few years.
    Whoever gets the OS has the opportunity to challenge Arsenal as London's top team, like it or not the financial model they have in place, is as good as it gets. Chelsea could implode at any time,and I think we should seize the opportunity if we get the OS and write a new chapter in our history.
     
  4. Rocksuperstar

    Rocksuperstar just a child getting older...

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    This, which basically says to me they don't want to appear to be favouring one or the other, but still giving West Ham a chance to cement top flight survival (unlikely) or confirm financial backing without any shadow of a doubt.

    To make a decision with West Ham so dangerously close to the drop would frankly be careless and unfair on both clubs.
     
  5. woodward

    woodward Active Member

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    I think we will win the bid this week. West Ham have flirted with relegation and are 80 million in debt. Sullivan and Gold did not want the track originally. They have done a deal with Newham CC which precludes the removal of the track. Given their financial plight I don't see how their numbers can add up.
     
  6. woodward

    woodward Active Member

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    By the way I object to being Ramon Vega.
     
  7. Rocksuperstar

    Rocksuperstar just a child getting older...

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    post more, newb :up:

    Besides, whenever i think of Ramon Vega, i picture that crazy Spaniard from Street Fighter, so not all bad.
     
  8. $hoguN

    $hoguN Well-Known Member

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    I think we may get chosen as the preferred bidder, but will have to battle West Ham in the courts over it. Barry Hearn has also said he will bring a legal suit against the winning bid, but I can't see him getting anywhere considering they chose not to move there.
     
  9. worcestersauce

    worcestersauce "I'm no optimist I'm just a prisoner of hope

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    It does depend on whether the Olympic Park legacy company makes the decision on a financial business basis or an Olympic basis or just on a narrow Athletics basis, don't forget this is the Olynpic park not the athletics park and athletics is just an ever diminishing part ofthe Olympics.
    The first two must mean they'd have to give it to us and even with the third one they ought to give it to us but they will have opposition from the small athletics lobby.

    Who knows which way they will go though.
     
  10. Rocksuperstar

    Rocksuperstar just a child getting older...

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    If the Olympic-up-in-a-brewery commitee really wanted to retain a legacy of us hosting the games, they should've stopped cocking about and either used the o2 or built a suitably sized arena just for the games themselves, then ripped it down and sold the land, THEN used the money to construct out lasting memory/legacy out of that cash.

    My suggestion would've been a 500 foot tall statue of Zeus, the god for which the Ancient games were held. Build it over the thames, like the Colossus of Rhodes then, even if Helios was displeased and decided to wreck it up ("HELIOS MAD! HELIOS SMAAAASH!!" man, Greek mythology would've been fucking awesome if i'd had a say) it would only fall on somewhere like Charlton or Newham and, lets be honest, that's no great loss.
     
  11. Krafty

    Krafty Well-Known Member

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    Its all about political fall out.

    Forget the positives of the respective bids, its about the negatives. Do they want to lie to the Olympic committee, make it seem that the UK's word cannot be trusted, and be accused of failing generations of athletes? Or do they want to potentially cost the public even more money at a time of cuts?

    I think (hope) the extra time was to allow West Ham time to prove their financial plans, as the Government can argue about economics, and if they are wrong they will be out of office by the time people realise, but they cannot argue about the legacy if Spurs rip up the track.

    Hence I think West Ham will get the stadium, and I will be glad because I dont want us moing to Stratford and the running track will ruin that ground for West Ham fans
     
  12. bigturnip

    bigturnip Tottenham till I die, Stratford over my dead body

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    I think it's about a dead heat at the moment, DL seems to offer the best financial option, while West Ham offer the best legacy option, as Krafty says it will probably come down to a few government analysts deciding which one causes the least political fall out.

    I hope West Ham get it, but I fear DL will.
     
  13. sloth

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  14. worcestersauce

    worcestersauce "I'm no optimist I'm just a prisoner of hope

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    Strictly speaking it wouldn't be a lie because they meant whatever it was they said at the time it would be a change of mind due to changing circumstances as they have already done with the boxing hall.

    Not for long!

    It's not clear West Ham's is the best legacy option though it merely promises a running track to stay, but you have to ask for how long.

    One point I've noticed is that West Ham have been bitching left right and centre but Newham Council, who's bid it actually is, seem to be keeping mum so maybe they are playing their hand close to their chests and preparing for a good working relationship with the new Premiership football club in their domain:)
     
  15. dimiSpur

    dimiSpur There's always next year...

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    You think of him often then RS? Eek
     
  16. Azrael

    Azrael Banned

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    This.

    Frankly, with all the politicking I can't see any other outcome than Spam getting it.
     
  17. Samson

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    It's undoubtedly true, however, that the Tories would support the Spurs bid in principle- their Assembly Olympic spokesman has said that they do. There are also going to be white elephants post games (the acquatics centre, for one), not all of which will have a Premiership team willing to lease them, so public opinion will soften on knocking the ground down.
     
  18. andyw362

    andyw362 New Member

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    We dont seem to be doing much to sway public opinion. Levy is a maths man, he makes me cringe in front of camera.

    Brady has won the battle for hearts and minds.
     
  19. Samson

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    Most people think it should be an athletics stadium. The West Ham bid sounds much better. It sounds very good indeed. The question is whether it's too good to be true.

    It all depends on whether our bid is prompted by desperation at the unviability of the NDP or a nod and a wink from someone in power that we can have the OS. Public opinion might sway the latter, but nothing has changed with regards to the weaknesses in West Ham's bid.
     
  20. Hoowl

    Hoowl Dr wHo(owl) Staff

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    Trying to take emotion out of the issue and looking at things beyond (and arguably excluding) the 5 points of the OPLC and in an ideal world. That's enough caveats I think. This is supposed to represent the public or political thought process to some degree and highlight why opinion polls have us as a distant second ro west ham.

    1) The first consideration for the stadium should undoubtedly be athletics. The original purpose is athletics. It should continue being used for athletics after the games. Only if it is proven this is not a viable option then other options need to be considered. I think this has been proven not viable by the athletics community siding with west hams bid rather than the pure athletics stadium.

    2) Are there any ways to have a athletics as a secondary sport in the stadium? Will this work for both sports? Can we do football and athletics? Only if not then other options need be considered. This is still an open question and one tottenham are spending a lot of effort on. Spurs really need to show that its very detrimental otherwise this option is very attractive as it retains the Olympic athletics connection.

    3) If we have to give it to a football team, and athletics is now no longer a consideration, it should be given to the largest local team. It's nearer to west ham. Spurs have talked about developing the NDP. It should be given to wet ham as a football stadium sans athletics.

    4) Fourthly, if none of the above are suitable, we consider other options. I.e. tottenham.


    This is why Levy wants to put the focus on the OPLC criteria. Take it out of this context and apply 'common sense' it looks like west ham all the way
     

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