Why are most British managers rubbish?

[Bonjour]

English.

Sorry, I was reading the title of the thread...

 

[Zapsta]

Sorry, I was reading the title of the thread...

Okay, that's it - out.

 

[Bobishism]

And anyway, they're more managers who have taken slightly rubbish teams and made them quite good rather than the best of the best. Which is maybe more a consensual opinion then mine per se, but I'm not sure either Strachan nor Moyes would be particularly popular choices for the England job.

And Hughes?

 

[Zapsta]

I think most people would be pretty happy with Hughes, ironically probably because he had such a successful playing career, but maybe also in part because of what he did with Wales.

 

[idlepete]

Another way of looking at it: most great managers are intelligent people. Most footballers are stupid.

Bingo.

 

[Zapsta]

I'm telling The Mirror RIGHT NOW.

 

[Spursking]

Most british managers are not successful because they do not know about how to build a team. That is the main reason. I think that many british managers are good tactically, but when you don't have the nose for how to build a team, it will be difficult.

There are a few exceptions, though....

Harry Redknapp is a very good teambulder, and is good at finding talents and player types suited for his team.

I also rate Martin O'Neill as quite good in the transfer market, and he is also a very good motivator and great to get the best out of teams.

Ferguson is of course one of the most successful managers in the world, but he is also a very good teambuilder, and finds talents to build the team around - long term. That is the main factor for his success. You need certain player profiles to build your team around, and if you get that, you make it easier for yourself.

Sam Allardyce is also a good manager, and did a great job with Bolton. He was also quite good in the transfer market, and that is the reason why he is rated as a good manager, and got the Newcastle job and also was in connection with the England job. It is all about being good in the transfer market, and do it easier for yourself.

You have not made a clear comment about this. Do you agree with me on this one.....?

 

[Dillspur]

"Every time a player with a supposed great "football brain" comes to the end of his career, people start talking about how great a manager they could be - Tony Adams and Paul Ince are two that come to mind - and yet neither of them have done anything with their management careers. In fact, players who are expected to be great managers very rarely are. And yet, we still cling to the notion of giving these former great players jobs in the highest levels of management."

you don't think Paul Ince is doing a good job at MK Don's, 2 points clear at the top of league 2? He also saved Macclesfield from relegation? He's only been managing since 2006 I think we need to give him a chance, don't you?

Since when did donkey Adams have a great football brain?! I don't seem Adams as a good tactical manager good motivator maybe?

 

[Zapsta]

I could have sworn Paul Ince had a brief stint managing Wolves, but apparently I made this up (according to wikipedia). Still, I think people expected him to start higher up than Macclesfield or MK Dons.

Tony Adams was a great defender because he was defensively and tactically aware, which to me = footballing brain.

The specific examples aren't really relevant though; I'm pretty sure the point still stands irrespective of what you think of those two players' playing or managerial careers.

 

[joey55]

Most british managers are not successful because they do not know about how to build a team. That is the main reason. I think that many british managers are good tactically, but when you don't have the nose for how to build a team, it will be difficult.

There are a few exceptions, though....

Harry Redknapp is a very good teambulder, and is good at finding talents and player types suited for his team.

I also rate Martin O'Neill as quite good in the transfer market, and he is also a very good motivator and great to get the best out of teams.

Ferguson is of course one of the most successful managers in the world, but he is also a very good teambuilder, and finds talents to build the team around - long term. That is the main factor for his success. You need certain player profiles to build your team around, and if you get that, you make it easier for yourself.

Sam Allardyce is also a good manager, and did a great job with Bolton. He was also quite good in the transfer market, and that is the reason why he is rated as a good manager, and got the Newcastle job and also was in connection with the England job. It is all about being good in the transfer market, and do it easier for yourself.

I think this is by far the most important thing. It's exaclty why we are struggling at the moment. We've been terrible in the transfer market in the last year or so.

 

[Spursking]

I think this is by far the most important thing. It's exaclty why we are struggling at the moment. We've been terrible in the transfer market in the last year or so.

We have done better than ever in the Transfer market the last two year or so. That is the most positive thing. In the past we did so many errors in the transfer market, and that destroyed every chance to progress. Now we have a good squad in place - and when we have brought in players, we have been thinking long term. We have a plan behind every buy now. We still need improvements, though, and some has to leave the Club aswell.

 

[joey55]

We have done better than ever in the Transfer market the last two year or so. That is the most positive thing. In the past we did so many errors in the transfer market, and that destroyed every chance to progress. Now we have a good squad in place - and when we have brought in players, we have been thinking long term. We have a plan behind every buy now. We still need improvements, though, and some has to leave the Club aswell.

:???: But in the last 2 years (jan 2006 window onwards) we've spent about £67 million on 12 1st team squad players. Yet in this time we've gone from 4th in the Premiership to 16th. Yet in the two years prior to that we spent about £41 million on 21 players. In that time we went from 15th in the Premiership to 4th. I don't see how going from spending an average of £1.9 million per player and 4th in the Prem, to spending £5.6 million per player and 16th in the Prem, represents good transfer marker activity. :shrug:

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Firstly it is english managers that are shit. No british managers. Some of the best managers ever are jocks including SAF. Good managers around now are Hughes (Welsh) and Moyes (Scot).

And Joey, that is a vast over simplification. I don't think we spent particularly wisely last summer (Bent 16 m, 20yo CB for 8, Boeteng 6 etc) but all we did was add to a squad that was 5th with no major departures. Even allowing for ManCity & Villa's new owners there's no way on squad ability we should be 16th. It's a culmination of various factors including poor management, injuries, shit luck, Dawson, Robinson, Chimbonda (add your choice.......). Part of it may be that we needed a Cb for sure but that doesn't explain us dropping 11 places.

 

[Zapsta]

Graeme Souness and Billy Davies as well!

 

[Spursking]

:???: But in the last 2 years (jan 2006 window onwards) we've spent about £67 million on 12 1st team squad players. Yet in this time we've gone from 4th in the Premiership to 16th. Yet in the two years prior to that we spent about £41 million on 21 players. In that time we went from 15th in the Premiership to 4th. I don't see how going from spending an average of £1.9 million per player and 4th in the Prem, to spending £5.6 million per player and 16th in the Prem, represents good transfer marker activity. :shrug:

Don't look at it this way, man. The difference between now and the past is: In the past we bought overpriced players on the top of their game with no sell on value. Like Ferdinand, Thatcher, Ziege, Richards, Sherwood, Rebrov, Perry, etc.... All players over the age of 26 or so, except Thatcher, who we paid £5mill for and a totally waste of money.

In the last 2 years, we have spent a lot of money, but the difference is that every player has a sell on value. The likes of Berbatov, Kaboul, Zokora, Chimbonda, Prince Boateng, Taarabt, Bent, Bale, etc.... do have a sell on value and a name in the market. We have been thinking long term here, and there is a plan behind it. That is why we have done the better than ever in the Transfer market under Arnesen/Comolli.

Think about this.

 

[chrissivad]

this long term plan is working wonders just now :|

 

[Spursking]

this long term plan is working wonders just now :|

I am not concerned at all, because I know about the long term future of the Club. We have a bright future, but of course I have my own choices that I want THFC to buy. I belive they will find a good solution for the Club, based on what they have done until now. I am happy with the way they are working, and that will make us a better team in the future.

 

[joey55]

Don't look at it this way, man. The difference between now and the past is: In the past we bought overpriced players on the top of their game with no sell on value. Like Ferdinand, Thatcher, Ziege, Richards, Sherwood, Rebrov, Perry, etc.... All players over the age of 26 or so, except Thatcher, who we paid £5mill for and a totally waste of money.

In the last 2 years, we have spent a lot of money, but the difference is that every player has a sell on value. The likes of Berbatov, Kaboul, Zokora, Chimbonda, Prince Boateng, Taarabt, Bent, Bale, etc.... do have a sell on value and a name in the market. We have been thinking long term here, and there is a plan behind it. That is why we have done the better than ever in the Transfer market under Arnesen/Comolli.

Think about this.

I think I'm probably the person who has spoken the most about the strategy and possibly the first (as far as I know) to raise the issue. But simply because we have this strategy doesn't mean it is successful. I backed the clubs transfer policy for a long time and was very, very enthusiastic about what was happening, but like anything in life, things need to adapt and move with the times and ever changing environmnet. The right strategy of 3 or 4 years ago, isn't necessarily the right strategy for now. We are (or were in the summer) in a very different place to where we were in Jan 2003. However, the transfer strategy itself isn't the issue here, but the quality and suitablity of the players bought within it over the last 2 years are.

 

[Spursking]

We still need improvements to our squad - no doubt about that, but we have a good bunch of players on board already. Some players have to leave, but most of the players are good enough to stay.

Players like Lee, Tainio, Stalteri, are players we could replace due to the performances showed. Taiwo is a player we should sign on the left back.

 

[chrissivad]

whats been wrong with lee's performances?