Why do Liverpool FC pretend Heysel never happened...

[jimtheyid]

On this day in 1985, 39 Juventus fans were killed and nearly 600 were injured.

Why do Liverpool's fans pretend that this never happened? I have been on RAWK today and have not found one thread on the matter. Yet they have a whole forum dedicated to the Hillsborough disaster.

Liverpools fans were the cause of death for 39 people, yet they act like it never happened. It sickens me.

 

[Dundalk_Spur]

This is one of the reasons the constant 96 thing gets to me sometimes.

I saw both incidents unfold live, and both were horrible occurences, but all we hear is about the 96 innocents. Yes they were innocent and yes it shouldn't have happened, we lost one of our own in it, but the glasshouse dwellers throwing stones, have to remember the innocents that were killed that night.

You never hear of any remorse for the actions that night.

 

[KingKay]

We also missed out on European qualification a number of times as a direct result. Bloody scousers.

 

[jimtheyid]

I had forgotten about that aspect.

 

[jimtheyid]

1985: Uefa bans English clubs from Europe
European football's governing body Uefa has banned English clubs from playing in Europe indefinitely, following the riot at Brussels' Heysel stadium four days ago in which 39 people died.
The ban follows an announcement by the British Football Association on 31 May preventing its own English teams from playing in Europe.
Today's announcement came after an emergency session of soccer chiefs in Switzerland, and cannot be appealed. It is expected to cast English clubs into the European wilderness for several years.
Liverpool fans have been blamed for the Heysel tragedy, when supporters charged at a wall separating them from Juventus fans, causing it to collapse onto the mainly Italian crowd.
English football welcomes move
Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are exempt from the ban, and disciplinary action against Liverpool FC is also being considered.
Reacting to the decision, football league president Jack Dunnett said: "It is unfair to punish clubs which had nothing to do with the Brussels tragedy".
But the move was welcomed by other leading figures in English football.
FA Secretary Ted Croker said: "There are many of us who don't want to see us back in Europe until we have got our own house in order."
A British representative on Uefa's 11-strong executive committee said he had unsuccessfully tried to push for the ban to be limited to a set period. But David Will, president of the Scottish FA, said: "The feeling in Uefa is very, very strong".
The British government is set to announce new measures to tighten crowd control in British clubs in the aftermath of the Heysel tragedy.
These are expected to include confirmation of a drinks ban in all British clubs, the introduction of club membership cards to give known supporters access to matches, and wider use of CCTV cameras.
In Liverpool police are launching an inquiry into the Brussels riot. A public hotline has been set up in an attempt to establish what happened and identify those responsible.

 

[HappySpur]

It's the whole cult of victimization. We see it so glaringly in politics, but often forget how easily it applies to sport, especially a sport such as football with its extensive underlying narratives. And you can't be a victim when you were a victimizer.

But at the end of the day, United got to be victims after Munich and it was the one thing that Liverpool could never compete with, no matter how many trophies they won. It was especially hard for them because it gave United a platform of acceptance that extended well beyond their base support. So Heysel set them up as a club that would never be able to emulate United, until Hillsborough. And once it happened, they clawed into that carcass and held on for dear life. It's the thing that could make them equal to United, and so they have to focus on it. But they forget that the rest of us don't. So we feel for the dead and their families, but never Liverpool. Liverpool got Heysel and the fact that they ignore it and try to gloss over it with their version of Munich makes most supporters hate them even more.

Until they move on from Hillsborough and accept that they caused a tragedy of equal measure to what happened to them, they can and will never be forgiven. People often wonder why Liverpool have never been able to trade on their success for a global brand. They shouldn't.....it's fairly evident.

 

[KingKay]

We missed out on UEFA Cup qualification a grand total of 4 times as a result (1985-86, 1987-88, 1989-90, 1990-91).

Im my experience it seems to be scousers in general that have a chip on their shoulders, and not just LFC.

 

[3Dnata]

They do mention it.
Unfortunately it is the tale of brave Scousers defending themselves against Italian hooligans and the stadium collapsing.
It's been proven SAF was responsible for that.

 

[beats1]

It's the whole cult of victimization. We see it so glaringly in politics, but often forget how easily it applies to sport, especially a sport such as football with its extensive underlying narratives. And you can't be a victim when you were a victimizer.

But at the end of the day, United got to be victims after Munich and it was the one thing that Liverpool could never compete with, no matter how many trophies they won. It was especially hard for them because it gave United a platform of acceptance that extended well beyond their base support. So Heysel set them up as a club that would never be able to emulate United, until Hillsborough. And once it happened, they clawed into that carcass and held on for dear life. It's the thing that could make them equal to United, and so they have to focus on it. But they forget that the rest of us don't. So we feel for the dead and their families, but never Liverpool. Liverpool got Heysel and the fact that they ignore it and try to gloss over it with their version of Munich makes most supporters hate them even more.

Until they move on from Hillsborough and accept that they caused a tragedy of equal measure to what happened to them, they can and will never be forgiven. People often wonder why Liverpool have never been able to trade on their success for a global brand. They shouldn't.....it's fairly evident.

Its such shame that what you said is true

 

[Misfit]

It's the whole cult of victimization. We see it so glaringly in politics, but often forget how easily it applies to sport, especially a sport such as football with its extensive underlying narratives. And you can't be a victim when you were a victimizer.

But at the end of the day, United got to be victims after Munich and it was the one thing that Liverpool could never compete with, no matter how many trophies they won. It was especially hard for them because it gave United a platform of acceptance that extended well beyond their base support. So Heysel set them up as a club that would never be able to emulate United, until Hillsborough. And once it happened, they clawed into that carcass and held on for dear life. It's the thing that could make them equal to United, and so they have to focus on it. But they forget that the rest of us don't. So we feel for the dead and their families, but never Liverpool. Liverpool got Heysel and the fact that they ignore it and try to gloss over it with their version of Munich makes most supporters hate them even more.

Until they move on from Hillsborough and accept that they caused a tragedy of equal measure to what happened to them, they can and will never be forgiven. People often wonder why Liverpool have never been able to trade on their success for a global brand. They shouldn't.....it's fairly evident.

Dayum. Nicely put.

 

[CAPO]

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/lfc-marks-heysel-anniversary

Specifically "Instead of leaving Brussels having seen our team lift a fifth European Cup, Liverpool supporters travelled back to England having witnessed the deaths of 39 football supporters"

Pretty cool how they use "witnessed" instead of "caused"!

 

[Misfit]

I remember reading an article by a Pewel fan a few yrs back. He was there and described the drunkenness, the intimidation of even the police. How fans went up to a young a Juve fan and just took his hat, waiting for him to respond, fortunately he decided ownership of the hat wasn't important. Damaging cars, harrassing locals etc. He blew away all the bullshit and half-truths.

The one thing that struck me though was how this was done by the minority, albeit a fairly substantial one, and how it could have been many or most English teams out there. The impression I have been given by older relatives and a brother of a friend who travelled away in the 80's is that similar would have probably happened were it Everton or assnal or even us.

Obviously events in the stadium couldn't be foreseen but everyone knew trouble was going to occur. Authorities here and abroad urged UEFA to rethink the staging of the final before the game. There was previous I believe between Pewel fans and Italian fans etc. Police were horribly badly trained in dealing with this stuff, albeit they did sweet FA instead of the equally hideous baton charge at the sight of someone drinking beer they like to do in certain countries now.

None of this changes that the general attitude of a sizebale contigent of Pewel fans was likely to welcome it all kicking off, without thinking through the consequences obviously. Having a laff and being shitheads in general. Berty Big Bollocks guff. They must own that. It might have been another English club involved that day but it wasn't. It was Liverpool. Sucks for the club and the fans not involved at the time or those that came after but we all have to eat shit sandwiches from time to time.

 

[Misfit]

Found the article. I assume he's in hiding nowadays.

http://www.lfchistory.net/Articles/Article/3228

 

[punky]

I remember when there was a character on Eastenders that was a football hooligan and one of the other characters said to him something like: "and banned from Europe for years because of Heysel". Liverpool fans went absolutely mad. The producer of Eastenders ended up apologising.

Hillsborough was tragedy but it wasn't deliberate. Mistakes were made through ineptitude or failings through the system but it obviously want intended.

However Heysel, was a deliberate, criminal act. Of there is one eventLiverpool should be drawing attention to, it's Heysel, not Hillsborough.

 

[Armstrong_11]

hmm... a big club with a long history sweeping someone under that carpet? that has to be the first.

maybe that's why they are making a big deal of Hillsborough to deflect the other event. after all... they will always say one with more victims should be the more important one.

starting to dislike liverpool more and more...

 

[sim0n]

On this day in 1985, 39 Juventus fans were killed and nearly 600 were injured.

Why do Liverpool's fans pretend that this never happened? I have been on RAWK today and have not found one thread on the matter. Yet they have a whole forum dedicated to the Hillsborough disaster.

Liverpools fans were the cause of death for 39 people, yet they act like it never happened. It sickens me.

because they've all been nicked before and know you never admit any criminal wrong doing,.... EVER...

 

[hybridsoldier]

Found the article. I assume he's in hiding nowadays.

http://www.lfchistory.net/Articles/Article/3228

interesting article.

It's true I have also found it so odd how theres so much focus on Hillsborough, but we don't really hear anything about Heysel. I even remember some time ago seeing I think Ronnie Whelan or Phil Neal saying they don't remember the game and didn't want to play....but quickly went on to add that the penalty was a joke and thinks the officials wanted Juventus to win so as to not spark riots

 

[nidge]

It's not that they don't pretend it didn't happen it's that they still after all this time don't believe they did anything wrong.

 

[Phantom]

It's not that they don't pretend it didn't happen it's that they still after all this time don't believe they did anything wrong.

Ah the Suarez defence.