Why is the bbc shoving the women game down our throats?

'O Zio

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Does it matter though? That's really my point.......women give birth waay better than men and sometimes (most of the time) have bigger boobs. If you don't like watching womens football, don't watch it, the power of the remote is literally in people's hands*

*unless of course the missus has the remote and then well your fucked, but at least she likes football, so silver linings and all that
It doesn't matter to me who is better, but the original point in the thread wasn't whether women are better than men or vice versa, the point is that several major news outlets have started in the past couple of years to feature WSL stories on the main page whereby they're given equal weighting to PL stories etc. which seems to a lot of people, myself included, to be a bit daft. I've got no problem with women's football, but I do have a problem with it being given an artificially high level of coverage relative to the amount of interest that readers/viewers have in it purely on the basis of some sort of attempt to be politically correct.

The general interest in WSL news is probably comparable to the level of interest in non-league men's football. Alongside stories like "Harry Kane set to captain England at World Cup 2018" you never get "Cheshunt FC part ways with manager after poor start to Isthmian League season" and rightly so because the level of interest generated by the second story is pretty much insignificant except for the small group of people who follow Cheshunt FC. And yet over the past year/18 months you've started seeing alongside that Harry Kane story things like "Birmingham Ladies captain scores brace away to Leicester Ladies". That to me is wrong because it makes no sense in terms of news and/or business. The only reason you would give that article such artificially inflated weighting is as part of some equal opportunities push or PC thing. Yes, I can avoid watching women's football (and do) but it's just daft that when I'm scrolling through the football news I now have to also scroll through all these niche articles about WSL for no valid reason whatsoever.
 

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It doesn't matter to me who is better, but the original point in the thread wasn't whether women are better than men or vice versa, the point is that several major news outlets have started in the past couple of years to feature WSL stories on the main page whereby they're given equal weighting to PL stories etc. which seems to a lot of people, myself included, to be a bit daft. I've got no problem with women's football, but I do have a problem with it being given an artificially high level of coverage relative to the amount of interest that readers/viewers have in it purely on the basis of some sort of attempt to be politically correct.

The general interest in WSL news is probably comparable to the level of interest in non-league men's football. Alongside stories like "Harry Kane set to captain England at World Cup 2018" you never get "Cheshunt FC part ways with manager after poor start to Isthmian League season" and rightly so because the level of interest generated by the second story is pretty much insignificant except for the small group of people who follow Cheshunt FC. And yet over the past year/18 months you've started seeing alongside that Harry Kane story things like "Birmingham Ladies captain scores brace away to Leicester Ladies". That to me is wrong because it makes no sense in terms of news and/or business. The only reason you would give that article such artificially inflated weighting is as part of some equal opportunities push or PC thing. Yes, I can avoid watching women's football (and do) but it's just daft that when I'm scrolling through the football news I now have to also scroll through all these niche articles about WSL for no valid reason whatsoever.
So, you have to scroll a bit more, why does it bother you or anyone for that matter? There's plenty of news stories or sports stories I scroll past. How do you know it's not very popular? In the States they get good attendance and also Germany and Sweden, maybe girls and young women (or old women for that matter) make up 51% of the population and maybe the traffic warrants the headlines?
 

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So, you have to scroll a bit more, why does it bother you or anyone for that matter? There's plenty of news stories or sports stories I scroll past. How do you know it's not very popular? In the States they get good attendance and also Germany and Sweden, maybe girls and young women (or old women for that matter) make up 51% of the population and maybe the traffic warrants the headlines?
Is it right that women's football gets higher coverage than other sports that pretty much get ignored even though they are of more interest, I must admit that is what makes me stop and think, if it is the BBC's job to promote women's football why isn't it the BBC's job to promote a whole range of sports?
I must confess I'm not really that bothered about it but I do think it happens because of a sense of doing the right thing on diversity rather than the quality and importance of the sport.
 

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Is it right that women's football gets higher coverage than other sports that pretty much get ignored even though they are of more interest, I must admit that is what makes me stop and think, if it is the BBC's job to promote women's football why isn't it the BBC's job to promote a whole range of sports?
I must confess I'm not really that bothered about it but I do think it happens because of a sense of doing the right thing on diversity rather than the quality and importance of the sport.
I suspect it has more to do with both traffic and what the BBC have the rights for, than anything else
 
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Yes, but the BBC doesn't have to justify its coverage by traffic. That's what the licence fee is for. That's where the problem lies.
 

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The FA are pushing womens football. Good on them. Media is finally giving it lots of coverage, great. I don't understand the problem, just scroll on, don't click on the links. Doesn't bother me in the slightest. I hope the womens game gets much more support and some money starts flowing its way.
 

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See that's part of the problem, the game wasn't getting any coverage in the first place. It doesn't have anywhere near the infrastructure that the men's game has.
If we had 100s of years of women playing football and the coverage that the men's games got all the way through the sport (from schools teaching it fairly to opportunities being there for them etc...) then there wouldn't be as much as a gulf between the two. I mean you look at Tennis of athletics etc... there's not as much as a gulf between the male and female versions of the sport.

This is just people seeing an issue and trying to address that.

So you have to scroll a little more or deal with seeing a couple of articles you're not that interested in... so what?
 

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See that's part of the problem, the game wasn't getting any coverage in the first place. It doesn't have anywhere near the infrastructure that the men's game has.
If we had 100s of years of women playing football and the coverage that the men's games got all the way through the sport (from schools teaching it fairly to opportunities being there for them etc...) then there wouldn't be as much as a gulf between the two. I mean you look at Tennis of athletics etc... there's not as much as a gulf between the male and female versions of the sport.

This is just people seeing an issue and trying to address that.

So you have to scroll a little more or deal with seeing a couple of articles you're not that interested in... so what?
I would argue there is an enormous gulf between the male and female versions of the sports for example, the women's 100 world record doesn't even come in the top three thousand times and undoubtedly far more than that, I appreciate many more people would watch women's athletics but then again you wouldn't know that from the comparative coverage of the two.
As I have said before I have no problem with women's football but it isn't a top elite sport and sometimes you wouldn't get that impression.
 

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The FA are pushing womens football. Good on them. Media is finally giving it lots of coverage, great. I don't understand the problem, just scroll on, don't click on the links. Doesn't bother me in the slightest. I hope the womens game gets much more support and some money starts flowing its way.
Completely agree. The only thing that annoys me is when the BBC leave the headlines vague to trick you into thinking the article is aboit the men's game e.g. "Man City break transfer record". They know what they're doing.
 

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I would argue there is an enormous gulf between the male and female versions of the sports for example, the women's 100 world record doesn't even come in the top three thousand times and undoubtedly far more than that, I appreciate many more people would watch women's athletics but then again you wouldn't know that from the comparative coverage of the two.
As I have said before I have no problem with women's football but it isn't a top elite sport and sometimes you wouldn't get that impression.
Well part of my point is why isn't it an elite sport or on that level etc... and part of that is the lack of coverage and support it's been given so they're working on addressing that. Yes there's more coverage than their used to be but it's still not overwhelming or anything. They're just showing it as a legitimate sport which it is and should rightly be viewed as. They're not saying it's the be all and end all or anything like that, just that's it's out there and people clearly seem to be interested in it.

With the gulf in sports there is a gulf sure but there's a reason for the gulf more than just 'men are stronger and faster' or lazy lines like that (I know you didn't say that). Men's versions of the sports have always had the attention rightly or wrongly so pretty much every female alternative is playing a catching up game on every level. I mean even from a simple level that watching a men's game will be more 'exciting' cause it has the money and production budget that the females version doesn't so there's already a disparity there.
 

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The standard is awful. That’s the biggest problem anyone will have when trying to push the game on to others. It’s truly crap.

I’ve played in a charity game with a recently retired England international and she was rubbish. Great for a woman, but just crap. Not strong enough, not quick enough, not technically good enough to make any impact in our charity game

Women’s tennis is poor compared to the men’s game but it’s established and a offers an alternative to the ultra powerful men’s game. It’s the same with women’s golf. The men’s version in both tennis and golf is so power based that often it’s the women players that have better technicque and play a more ‘traditional’ game. This clearly isn’t the case with women’s football. What the bbc should do is show lower league/non-league football as opposed to women’s football. Much, much higher standard and more importantly, it’s far more popular. Maidstone United have a larger average attendance, by far, than the best women’s sides in the country.
 

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The standard is awful. That’s the biggest problem anyone will have when trying to push the game on to others. It’s truly crap.

I’ve played in a charity game with a recently retired England international and she was rubbish. Great for a woman, but just crap. Not strong enough, not quick enough, not technically good enough to make any impact in our charity game

Women’s tennis is poor compared to the men’s game but it’s established and a offers an alternative to the ultra powerful men’s game. It’s the same with women’s golf. The men’s version in both tennis and golf is so power based that often it’s the women players that have better technicque and play a more ‘traditional’ game. This clearly isn’t the case with women’s football. What the bbc should do is show lower league/non-league football as opposed to women’s football. Much, much higher standard and more importantly, it’s far more popular. Maidstone United have a larger average attendance, by far, than the best women’s sides in the country.
Agree and I alluded to it in my previous post. I think there's probably more demand/interest for League 2 men's football than there is for WSL coverage so it's daft that WSL gets shoved down our throats but there's almost no coverage of men's football bellow the Championship.
 

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Gonna bump this as couldn't be arsed to start a new thread and related to women's football.

With this ongoing stuff with Phil Neville being appointed the national woman side's manager, I keep thinking why don't they actually appoint a woman to the post?

There must be plenty of ex-female footballers who could be worth a shot, especially compared to lurch...?

Why do men keep getting appointed?

And the FA show their dumbness as well as apparently announced his appointment on male side twitter rather than the one specifically set up for the women's team d'oh...
 

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Well I don’t know about you but I really wanted to hear a fake denial from the second famous Neville brother after he took a low profile/low interest role. Nothing else going on in the world, is there?
 

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Why do men keep getting appointed?.
Up until 1998 the job was done exclusively by men. Sort of understandable because it was nowhere near as high profile as it is now and we're going back to a time where the perception didn't really matter and was nowhere near as high profile. And in the 70's I'm not entirely sure there would have been any woman qualified to do the job or actually wanting to, but that's supposition on my part.

Then (in 1998) Hope Powell got the gig and she held the job for 15 years. Since resigning, there's been two caretakers (one male, one female), Mark Sampson and now Phil Neville. When you consider where it's come from that's not the worst record, but I would fully expect the next manager to be a woman.
 
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