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Shadydan

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Poch would be nuts to get rid of Lamela especially since he's a player who embodies Poch's pressing philosophy and he's an important member of the team, anyway it's doubtful we'd be signing Zaha to 'make way' for anyone rather we'd be adding another option by strengthening the squad.
 

glospur

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I disagree with most of those points but it becomes a circular argument to enter a debate. Been through it all with Eriksen.

I.E. "Lamela's corners are better than Eriksen's"
Response, "but we score more from Eriksen's, it was something like 8-0 last season, in goals scored either directly or indirectly"
"Yes, but Lamela's corners are better!"

Eriksen and Son are better objectively, I.E. Backed up by stats, whereas Lamela is supposedly better by every subjective measure.

And I think Sissoko and Zaha, if we sign him, will prove to be superior objectively.
Sons only 'objectively' better if you think goals scored is the only thing that matters.

Over the last 18 months Lamela has better assists, chance creation and passing stats than Son, yes? ie Objective stats like those that you used,
 

glospur

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So, @UpTownSpur backed up by stats are you still sure that Son is objectively better? And sorry about the multiple tags, I had some problems with the formatting and had to delete my post a few times.

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UpTownSpur

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Sons only 'objectively' better if you think goals scored is the only thing that matters.

Over the last 18 months Lamela has better assists, chance creation and passing stats than Son, yes? ie Objective stats like those that you used,

So the "It's only his first\second season!" argument, used so frequently in defence of Lamela, isn't valid for Son? And he's held to a different standard? How about a comparison with their respective first and second seasons? The numbers will continue to go up for Son, whereas I think they've platued for Lamela.
 

yankspurs

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No actually I make reasoned and logical points whereas you just go around slagging every player in direct competition to Lamela, like you've just done to Son in the Son vs Sissoko thread.

Anyway, the thread is about Zaha. I believe it's clear Poch wants him, and the person that will make way should we sign him will be Lamela IMO.
I didnt slag Son or Sissoko off. I just said they have very poor first touches, which they do. I did also say they offer different things but Lamela is clearly better than the 2 in key areas and would be more effective starting whereas they would be more effective coming on and going at tired defenses.

You're "logical points and reason" only has 1 point which is he doesnt score enough. That's a perfectly fair and valid point. But Lamela is not in the team only to score goals. He is in the team to provide for others, create chances, win the ball back and wreak havoc on the opposition when they have the ball. His pressing and his attitude is infectious and his importance to the team was on display for everyone to see last year. Yes, I wish he would score more. But as long as he keeps doing what he was doing last season when he returns, it doesnt matter as he creates aton of chances for others. It's up to the guys around him to start finishing them. He probably lost alot assists last season due to our shocking lack of clinicism
 

danielneeds

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So, @UpTownSpur backed up by stats are you still sure that Son is objectively better? And sorry about the multiple tags, I had some problems with the formatting and had to delete my post a few times.

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They simply show Lamela is a better passer and wins the ball back more whilst Son is a better goal scorer. They offer different things - although there is no reason why Son can't become a more effective presssr from the front.
 

cliff jones

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If you were Ben davies, would you swap Spurs for Palace? He may not be playing every week but he is getting game time, and the Europa is I would think more minutes for him aswell.

I don't know what motivates him but he's clearly now second choice to Danny playing fewer and fewer games so could see him become restless in the summer?

If it were me I'd choose playing regularly every time but with only a handful of appearances for Wealdstones youth team to my name thirty years ago I probably lack the insight to answer well.
 

Trix

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I don't know what motivates him but he's clearly now second choice to Danny playing fewer and fewer games so could see him become restless in the summer?

If it were me I'd choose playing regularly every time but with only a handful of appearances for Wealdstones youth team to my name thirty years ago I probably lack the insight to answer well.

Let's put it a different way... Players want to play at the highest level, and in European competitions. What is the likely hood of him playing CL again should he go to Palace now?

If he weren't playing much I'd agree with you, but 37 games in 1 and a half seasons(quite a few of them in Europe) is a pretty good return for a player playing in a CL teams squad. He might not be automatic first choice but he has seen game time through rotatiob, not just when Rose has been injured. Players nowadays do realise to play for one of the top teams it is about being part of the first team squad not just part of the first choice XI.
 

ebzrascal

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I don't think he is a player we need, we need a goal scorer.

We also need creative players with skill and pace Zaha is one of the top assist players in the league this season. He would 100% give us a new dimension.
 

Tyler24durden

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I'd be hugely disappointed if we brought in Zaha, especially for £30m.

Headless chicken.

For that money I'd be trying to sign Domenico Berardi who we tried to sign in the summer.

Huge upside as he's young, quality, offers pace and trickery, technical brilliance and he's only going to be worth more.

I'd even agree to loan him back for the rest of the season to ensure we got him.
 

LexingtonSpurs

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Zaha seems a bit unstable in the few times I have seen him play. I'd rather not invest in that mentality.
 

Phomesy

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Don't think so. He wasn't a certain starter before he got injured

Lol what?

Lamela's one of Poch's first picked mids. Only gets rested because he's so frantic on the press.


Having said that, Eriksen/Alli and one of Son/Sissoko has been working very well recently.
 

newbie

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We also need creative players with skill and pace Zaha is one of the top assist players in the league this season. He would 100% give us a new dimension.

We need a player to break down deep defences, is Zaha better than Son? I don't how good Zaha will be without space to run in to.

P.s glad we didn't sign benteke he is another Ade
 

SFCS

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Zaha's nothing special but he does have a lot of the attributes that Pochettino looks for in a player. Sissoko is the same though so I don't think we need him. I'd much rather we gambled on Barkley, who does have something special about him but needs a lot of work as he's very rough around the edges. I suspect Barkley will demand too much money though, especially if Chelsea and City get involved.

Personally I think we're fine as we are. A left back that's more similar to Rose in style and another striking option would be nice but I don't mind us waiting until the summer for those. Toby signing a new contract is the only thing that is currently urgent.
 

steve

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Don't want Zaha or Barkley, both have technical ability, neither have much footballing intelligence and make the wrong decisions time and again.
 

dontcallme

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With Alli and Eriksen finding form, Sissoko starting to settle in, Lamela to return and Son and GKN trying to make an impact I'm not sure we need a £30m attacking mid right now.
 

EQP

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With Alli and Eriksen finding form, Sissoko starting to settle in, Lamela to return and Son and GKN trying to make an impact I'm not sure we need a £30m attacking mid right now.

Unless it's Isco/ proven quality.
 

Jack2

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I've tried to see as much Zaha as possible lately, because he's been again linked to us. What I've managed to see doesn't convince me at all that we should invest heavily on him. Yes, he has the pace and is technically good. But he seems to lose the ball quite often, moans too much to refs and his teammates and for me it seems that he rarely gives 100% for his team (at some games he's been a bit Adebayorish IMO). Offers very little defensively. There are some skills for sure, but I haven't really seen much that would make us better and I'm not sure he would be the right kind of player for us.

Perhaps he would shine under Poch and with better players around him, but 30m would be too much for him.
 
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