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George94

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If Mahrez went for £60m, can see why Zaha would be £70m being home grown.

Sell-on value potential not great given his age (say if we came to sell him when he's 29/30) but look, I think he's a stand out talent these days. Totally understand why Poch wants him.

I just wonder whether Levy will have any luck getting this statement signing for £20m less than ticket price. The idea of getting a statement signing on the cheap is a self-defeating idea.

Leicester were also pretty open to selling Mahrez this summer and sold him for less than what they were offered in January. Where as Palace want to keep Zaha desperately.
 

ToDarrenIsToDo

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If Mahrez went for £60m, can see why Zaha would be £70m being home grown.

Sell-on value potential not great given his age (say if we came to sell him when he's 29/30) but look, I think he's a stand out talent these days. Totally understand why Poch wants him.

I just wonder whether Levy will have any luck getting this statement signing for £20m less than ticket price. The idea of getting a statement signing on the cheap is a self-defeating idea.

Mahrez is a Premier League winner, Zaha has just over averaged 4 goals a season since he broke onto the scene as a hot prodigy. Granted he's got better with age and those numbers have increased but he's not a £70m player. He's closer to £40m than he is £70m. To be a £70m player you need to have more than 9 goals as your best return from a Premier League season to your name.

No chance he's got £70m worth of talent. He's only that value because of what he brings to a poor Palace team that'll become relegation fodder without him
 

panoma

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Seems like everyone is too expensive for us. I know we have the stadium to build but it’s starting to make us the poorest team in the league!

It's worrying.

After the inflation in transfer fees the two last years it does look like we struggle to adept. Look at our attacking signings the last two seasons; Sissoko, Janssen, GNK, Llorente and Lucas. Most complete flops, (allthough Lucas is way to early to judge).

Hopefully we come to terms with todays inflated fees and pay 50-60 millions for a good attackers rather than spread it on 3 players we try to shift next summer. There is obviously a risk with any signing, but much less risk on a "proven" PL player like Zaha or Martial than the next punt out of France.
 

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Palace fans seem pretty confident that Zaha won’t be sold this summer. He is on along contract and they have pretty wealthy American owners who apparently have said he won’t be sold. Personally think unless he kicks up a real fuss which seems unlikely to me then it really would take a mega money bid to sign him.
 

ToDarrenIsToDo

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It's worrying.

After the inflation in transfer fees the two last years it does look like we struggle to adept. Look at our attacking signings the last two seasons; Sissoko, Janssen, GNK, Llorente and Lucas. Most complete flops, (allthough Lucas is way to early to judge).

Hopefully we come to terms with todays inflated fees and pay 50-60 millions for a good attackers rather than spread it on 3 players we try to shift next summer. There is obviously a risk with any signing, but much less risk on a "proven" PL player like Zaha or Martial than the next punt out of France.

We were quoted £40m for Lucas 6 months before we got him for less than £25m if my ITK serves me correct.

Malcom was being touted as a £50m in January and is now being touted as £30m. These European teams know there's money in the Premier League and that it's a bit of a blood bath for managers keeping their jobs and the what the cost of relegation will entail so they jack the prices up to try and make the most of it.

Bayern Munichs record fee paid is a little over £37m. Not paying over inflated prices seems to do them pretty well.

Over inflated prices on players until the bubble bursts? No thanks I'd rather keep my Tottenham and let others fall by the wayside.
 
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Couple of things.

1) How many seasons has Poch wanted Zaha - ergo even if the player, the fee, the haircut whatever it is about him as a player puts you off as a fan, the fact the manager wants him, surely that is what people wanted ever since the end of season interview he gave ... ?

2) If, as was alluded to by ITK, that Spurs were willing to pay whatever the figure was to bring Martial in, why wouldn't they then do the same with Zaha?

Can't say I have always been his biggest fan, but if he has something in his 'locker' that Poch doesn't think we have going forward, it's a good thing (whether that fits anyone's personal view or not)

Lastly on the topic of Son, who keeps getting brought up here and elsewhere - there is a long term doubt he'll be able to contribute depending on what actually happens on the personal/political side of things. We could end up with a giant Son hole in the team for a large chunk of time. Gotta plan for the future (my onions of course)

Edit:

Just seen the post from Trix in the ITK thread ...

Gonna be honest, if that is the case, not sure where Spurs are going to turn to with three weeks left in the window.

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panoma

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We were quoted £40m for Lucas 6 months before we got him for less than £25m if my ITK serves me correct.

Malcom was being touted as a £50m in January and is now being touted as £30m. These European teams know there's money in the Premier League and that it's a bit of a blood bath for managers keeping their jobs and the what the cost of relegation will entail so they jack the prices up to try and make the most of it.

Bayern Munichs record fee paid is a little over £37m. Not paying over inflated prices seems to do them pretty well.

Over inflated prices on players until the bubble bursts? No thanks I'd rather keep my Tottenham and let others fall by the wayside.

You won't "lose" your Tottenham if we signed Zaha for 60 mill instead of a few cheaper punts. Also no one will pay 50 millions for Malcom. I do agree with you there is deals to be had at PSG and Real etch who either bring in new toys or fight of FFP, but Aurier and Lucas still have much to prove before they can be called successes.
 

ToDarrenIsToDo

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You won't "lose" your Tottenham if we signed Zaha for 60 mill instead of a few cheaper punts. Also no one will pay 50 millions for Malcom. I do agree with you there is deals to be had at PSG and Real etch who either bring in new toys or fight of FFP, but Aurier and Lucas still have much to prove before they can be called successes.
I'm talking about over inflated prices and what some teams pay to fend off fear and competition. Zaha at the £60m-£70m is criminally overpriced. That's double anything Bayern have ever paid for a player so why should we have a different, over zealous philosophy if it holds them in good stead?

The point I'm making is just because a media outlet says what someone's cost is/ should he doesn't make it the real market rate. Transfermkt value Zaha as a £27m player based on his statistics, age, goals scored, assists etc so why should we pay 300% what his market rate based on ability is? If we paid over the odds for every player we'd end up going skint so why do it for a one off player?

I'd pay £45m tops for Zaha and that's being generous. We run a steady ship at Spurs and have done for a long time. That's what's got us here, not quick fix solutions and I want the club to continue doing so.

If Bayern can do it without over the top money on a footballer then so can we. Zaha is worth no more than £45mil tops
 

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Zaha is a very good player. But he’s not as good as our first choice attacking midfielders. Not a player worth breaking our transfer record over.
 

dagraham

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Martial is classier, Zaha is a danger. I think we'd score more goals and have more of a rhythm and fluidity with Martial in our team but Zaha has a bit more grit to get himself out of trouble, strength,industry and power to go along with his mesmerising feet. Both have good feet, even though Martial is more of a natural footballer with a better football brain and far more prolific at the moment. Will be interesting if we can pull it off, there's still plenty to come from him and his talents (for a not so ridiculous fee though, £50m tops!)

Are you a minority shareholder at Spurs?
 

panoma

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I'm talking about over inflated prices and what some teams pay to fend off fear and competition. Zaha at the £60m-£70m is criminally overpriced. That's double anything Bayern have ever paid for a player so why should we have a different, over zealous philosophy if it holds them in good stead?

The point I'm making is just because a media outlet says what someone's cost is/ should he doesn't make it the real market rate. Transfermkt value Zaha as a £27m player based on his statistics, age, goals scored, assists etc so why should we pay 300% what his market rate based on ability is? If we paid over the odds for every player we'd end up going skint so why do it for a one off player?

I'd pay £45m tops for Zaha and that's being generous. We run a steady ship at Spurs and have done for a long time. That's what's got us here, not quick fix solutions and I want the club to continue doing so.

If Bayern can do it without over the top money on a footballer then so can we. Zaha is worth no more than £45mil tops

Everybody would be happy if we could find top class players for the value transfermarket list em at. I'd even say most would be even happier if we got a team full of academy graduates of the required standard. Point is getting players in that is both cheap and of the required class is getting harder and harder and sometimes you have to pay more.

I also think just cause bayern can get players cheap means we should to is a weak argument. They control the german market and is one of the best teams in the world and a huge draw for many players.
 

eddiev14

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Any player in the forward line we bring in will need to earn their spot. No one is walking into the team in those front 4 positions, Martial too.

However, what Zaha gives us is an option that is totally different to the others, and that’s why I want him. He is all power and pace, frightening on the counter and that is something we’ve needed for ages. I totally understand why Poch wants him.

I agree that we also need to spend money on replacing Dembele but if there is a genuine opportunity with Zaha we should do it for Poch.
 

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Just another hurdle that makes this one so hard. I just don't see us getting close to the £60+ mil they want. Would need to drop by at least £10mil IMO. All the transfer creativity in the world can't bridge the gap we are looking at, again IMO.

The thing is (and I don’t think Zaha is worth the transfer fee) last summer we spent big on Sanchez and he was first team ready. The other signings who were cheaper (I don’t want to say punts) haven’t been a success. I’d rather spend a lot on a player who is going to get in the side regularly than a cheaper buy who probably won’t and we will be looking to move on in a year’s time. We only have to look at our potential outs to see it doesn’t work.

I caveat this with I very much believe it’s about signing the right player, which might not always be the most expensive.
 

ToDarrenIsToDo

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Everybody would be happy if we could find top class players for the value transfermarket list em at. I'd even say most would be even happier if we got a team full of academy graduates of the required standard. Point is getting players in that is both cheap and of the required class is getting harder and harder and sometimes you have to pay more.

I also think just cause bayern can get players cheap means we should to is a weak argument. They control the german market and is one of the best teams in the world and a huge draw for many players.

Mate we've finished 3rd, 2nd & 3rd the last 3 seasons spending £5ms on Dele Alli, £4m's on Eric Diers and £22m's on Heung Min Son. Collectively today those players are probably worth closer to £200m combined.

We have a wage bill closer to Burnleys than it is to anyone else in the top 6 yet we are still out doing the majority of them that aren't run by a Sultan or an Oil merchant because we aren't panicking.

British teams should be the ones in control of fees and not the European clubs that are selling because simply put, apart from Barca, Real Madrid & Bayern other teams don't spend big or generate the kind of money that English teams get. The reason why a lot of quality isn't available isn't because we haven't got the money to spend it, it's because other big European teams have already scouted and acquired those players due to thorough scouting networks in place.

Who would you buy right now that is 100% better than what we have and at what kind of fee taking into account our transfer record currently stands at roughly £40m? Please tell me because I'd love to know who you would buy for £60m which I'm guessing would be the very top we'd be able to spend on a player in the clubs current climate
 

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This is my worry - we're going to waste time, probably all the way until deadline day, haggling to get the price down and Palace simply won't budge.

They hold the cards here, he signed a new contract last summer.
Usually I'd agree but they have no money. They're in the shit financially. Not saying they have to sell Zaha but it may reach the point where it makes more sense to have the money to invest in other areas of the squad.
 

panoma

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Mate we've finished 3rd, 2nd & 3rd the last 3 seasons spending £5ms on Dele Alli, £4m's on Eric Diers and £22m's on Heung Min Son. Collectively today those players are probably worth closer to £200m combined.

This is why i stated the last 2 years; About when transfer fees got much higher and i again stated that everybody would prefer if we kept finding players on the cheap that is good enough. Sadly this it is getting harder and harder to do.

Even Grealish from a championship side facing bankruptcy gonna cost us around 30 millions and the "next" Alli in Sessegnon is quoted around for 50 millions!

edit: I just looked up Grealish on transfermarket as you seem to place a lot of faith in those values. He is listed there with a maximum value of 5 millions fyi. Time to pull the plug on that deal to?
 
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ToDarrenIsToDo

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Everybody would be happy if we could find top class players for the value transfermarket list em at. I'd even say most would be even happier if we got a team full of academy graduates of the required standard. Point is getting players in that is both cheap and of the required class is getting harder and harder and sometimes you have to pay more.

I also think just cause bayern can get players cheap means we should to is a weak argument. They control the german market and is one of the best teams in the world and a huge draw for many players.

PS Zaha's value according to transfermkt is £27m (Dele is valued at around £100m to give you an idea as to how they use their performance data to amylose these things and Dele is far more marketable than Zaha is globally)

Zaha is being quoted to us at roughly 300% his statistical market value. Please tell me if there's anything you'd buy with your own personal money that's being quoted at 300% it's market value I'd love to know if you would.

Levy is looking after our club, he's setting the stones in place for us to have a bigger future. It was only 4 years ago we had the likes of Brad Friedel in our ranks and had Lewis Holtby starting games for us. It really bothers me when people think footballs like a game of Championship Manager. We've come so far and we've done it with organic growth and a sustainable business model than ensures we always have a bright future. It wasn't long ago the likes of Villa and Leeds were giants compared to us and look what throwing cash at things did to them. I'd love a few signings but they have to be the right ones for the club.
 

tiger666

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Usually I'd agree but they have no money. They're in the shit financially. Not saying they have to sell Zaha but it may reach the point where it makes more sense to have the money to invest in other areas of the squad.

I thought they were fine after they released their accounts recently?
 
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