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THFCSPURS19

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I thought they were fine after they released their accounts recently?
They are not in Villa's position but Hodgson has publicly admitted that they have very little money to invest in transfers. That's why they are already likely to sell Townsend despite him starting for them last season.
 

Trix

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Mate we've finished 3rd, 2nd & 3rd the last 3 seasons spending £5ms on Dele Alli, £4m's on Eric Diers and £22m's on Heung Min Son. Collectively today those players are probably worth closer to £200m combined.

We have a wage bill closer to Burnleys than it is to anyone else in the top 6 yet we are still out doing the majority of them that aren't run by a Sultan or an Oil merchant because we aren't panicking.

British teams should be the ones in control of fees and not the European clubs that are selling because simply put, apart from Barca, Real Madrid & Bayern other teams don't spend big or generate the kind of money that English teams get. The reason why a lot of quality isn't available isn't because we haven't got the money to spend it, it's because other big European teams have already scouted and acquired those players due to thorough scouting networks in place.

Who would you buy right now that is 100% better than what we have and at what kind of fee taking into account our transfer record currently stands at roughly £40m? Please tell me because I'd love to know who you would buy for £60m which I'm guessing would be the very top we'd be able to spend on a player in the clubs current climate

I don't think on our budget we could buy anyone who would 100% come in as a first XI starter over what we have other than at CM.

That's not what we need to do this Summer. What we need is players that will push who we already have, and also give us better options to change things up when required.

I think it's obvious there is only a limited number of players Poch trully trusts in the big games as is shown by his substitutions. We need to increase that number so that rotation without a quality drop is easier. CM is still the biggest issue and when(yes when) Dembele goes we will be even lighter in this position.

I have been fairly calm this far because this is exactly how is was warned it would pan out. I have to admit though I thought we'd be a bit further down the line with players than it appears we are(apart from JG), which is a worry. If you offered me Grealish, Pavard and a quality CM now as all we bring in I'd snap your hand off. Of course still very possible this will happen, but a bird in the hand and all that.
 

ToDarrenIsToDo

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This is why i stated the last 2 years; About when transfer fees got much higher and i again stated that everybody would prefer if we kept finding players on the cheap that is good enough. Sadly this it is getting harder and harder to do.

Even Grealish from a championship side facing bankruptcy gonna cost us around 30 millions and the "next" Alli in Sessegnon is quoted around for 50 millions!
Sessegnon isn't even fully developed yet and is yet to play a Premier League game. So there's no way a team can pay £50m for him but guess what, he still plays for a Premier League team and why is that? Because they nurtured him and brought him through the ranks. The same applies to Grealish.

Why do you think Tottenham have spent a lot of money on their academy and training facilities whereas others just keep throwing silly money around at players that don't make the grade? We've invested in our future whereas all others just want and invest in immediate success. We run our football team properly and now boast the finest facilities in Europe so we can attract talent of all ages. Look who Barcelona have bought through their youth systems over the years, Messi, Iniesta, Xavi do you think that was a fluke? They were able to because of their reputation. We don't have the same status as those clubs so we've invested in something else, the finest facilities available.

You say it's hard to find talent. Only last year we fended off the likes of PSG to secure Foyth, a hugely sought after player across Europe. Why? Because he felt he'd progress more here than at moneybags PSG.

We've built a football club over the years that has a truly unique selling point compared to what we used to have. The talent is always there to find, you just need to be smart enough to know where to find it and how to attract it

Mix this with continuously having increases in revenue due to the stadium income, a higher ceiling in the future once debts have been cleared and the ability to start pushing fees towards the £60m-£80m mark and we'll be in hugely impressive shape, especially when others around us like Everton have focused spending on the here and now and will fall lighthears behind us when this Television money slowly declines
 
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dagraham

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I don't think on our budget we could buy anyone who would 100% come in as a first XI starter over what we have other than at CM.

That's not what we need to do this Summer. What we need is players that will push who we already have, and also give us better options to change things up when required.

I think it's obvious there is only a limited number of players Poch trully trusts in the big games as is shown by his substitutions. We need to increase that number so that rotation without a quality drop is easier. CM is still the biggest issue and when(yes when) Dembele goes we will be even lighter in this position.

I have been fairly calm this far because this is exactly how is was warned it would pan out. I have to admit though I thought we'd be a bit further down the line with players than it appears we are(apart from JG), which is a worry. If you offered me Grealish, Pavard and a quality CM now as all we bring in I'd snap your hand off. Of course still very possible this will happen, but a bird in the hand and all that.

Considering Kane will be knackered and Son ( who also played at the World Cup) will likely be off to play for S Korea during the season then I don’t think the secenario you’ve outlined is enough.

We need another forward.
 

ToDarrenIsToDo

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I don't think on our budget we could buy anyone who would 100% come in as a first XI starter over what we have other than at CM.

That's not what we need to do this Summer. What we need is players that will push who we already have, and also give us better options to change things up when required.

I think it's obvious there is only a limited number of players Poch trully trusts in the big games as is shown by his substitutions. We need to increase that number so that rotation without a quality drop is easier. CM is still the biggest issue and when(yes when) Dembele goes we will be even lighter in this position.

I have been fairly calm this far because this is exactly how is was warned it would pan out. I have to admit though I thought we'd be a bit further down the line with players than it appears we are(apart from JG), which is a worry. If you offered me Grealish, Pavard and a quality CM now as all we bring in I'd snap your hand off. Of course still very possible this will happen, but a bird in the hand and all that.

I agree that we need strengthening, every team does by it shouldn't come at the expense of the ethos that has got us to where we've got to today by shelling out on players based on their price tag instead of the benefit they bring to the team. It's clear we need a wide forward/ attacking threat to help Eriksen, Dele & Sonny out, along with Harry but teams are going crazy about players that aren't guaranteed to make the grade.

The point is as you said. With our budget there's nobody we could bring in that would 100% make our starting XI stronger so how can people expect us to spend nearly double our transfer record on a player that isn't guaranteed to be a prudent but and effective buy in Zaha, Sessegnon etc. The risk/ reward doesn't add up for the acquisition of a player to come in and make the numbers up, albeit with better quality than the ones already here do.

If I could finish this window with Grealish c£25m, Zaha at £45m and someone like Pavard for £40m I think that's excellent business. Unfortunately Zaha is being quoted in some corners at being £25m more than that it's simply not achievable for us to spend that kind of money on a rotation player. It would be daft for us to do so and daft for us as fans to think so. Get quality players in yes, but at the right kind of market rates that do things the correct way even if every other team around us is losing their heads at the moment. Every deals got to be a good one for Spurs

Ps thanks for the ITK and updates, I can't bear to think how these Windows would be without them so many thanks from me and any other Tottenham fan on here
 

JR1994

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PS Zaha's value according to transfermkt is £27m (Dele is valued at around £100m to give you an idea as to how they use their performance data to amylose these things and Dele is far more marketable than Zaha is globally)

Zaha is being quoted to us at roughly 300% his statistical market value. Please tell me if there's anything you'd buy with your own personal money that's being quoted at 300% it's market value I'd love to know if you would.

Levy is looking after our club, he's setting the stones in place for us to have a bigger future. It was only 4 years ago we had the likes of Brad Friedel in our ranks and had Lewis Holtby starting games for us. It really bothers me when people think footballs like a game of Championship Manager. We've come so far and we've done it with organic growth and a sustainable business model than ensures we always have a bright future. It wasn't long ago the likes of Villa and Leeds were giants compared to us and look what throwing cash at things did to them. I'd love a few signings but they have to be the right ones for the club.

Can we stop with the Villa and Leeds shit ffs. Spending 55m on a transfer is not going to end our club
 

ToDarrenIsToDo

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Can we stop with the Villa and Leeds shit ffs. Spending 55m on a transfer is not going to end our club

That's what they thought when they spent on the likes of Seth Johnson & Stewart Downing. We do things practically like anyone who takes it seriously not treating it like a shiny new toy should.

I'd love to see signings but it would be hugely disappointing if we fork out £50m on a player that doesn't add any genuine growth to our football club. Signings as niche and important as the ones you look for when trying to win the league are a tough rarity to find
 

yido_number1

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Usually I'd agree but they have no money. They're in the shit financially. Not saying they have to sell Zaha but it may reach the point where it makes more sense to have the money to invest in other areas of the squad.
It depends if losing Zaha does more harm than the benefit of getting in two or three squad players from the money. For us losing Kane would be far more damaging and almost impossible to repair with the money. I think Zaha has the same effect on palace
 

knowlespurs

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i just think someone is weird with Palace at the moment and they might be in more financial difficulty than is coming to light, they may be happy to sell at the right price or even desperate to sell, think 60m in todays market for a player like Zaha who has 4 years left is a fair price
 

Trix

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I agree that we need strengthening, every team does by it shouldn't come at the expense of the ethos that has got us to where we've got to today by shelling out on players based on their price tag instead of the benefit they bring to the team. It's clear we need a wide forward/ attacking threat to help Eriksen, Dele & Sonny out, along with Harry but teams are going crazy about players that aren't guaranteed to make the grade.

The point is as you said. With our budget there's nobody we could bring in that would 100% make our starting XI stronger so how can people expect us to spend nearly double our transfer record on a player that isn't guaranteed to be a prudent but and effective buy in Zaha, Sessegnon etc. The risk/ reward doesn't add up for the acquisition of a player to come in and make the numbers up, albeit with better quality than the ones already here do.

If I could finish this window with Grealish c£25m, Zaha at £45m and someone like Pavard for £40m I think that's excellent business. Unfortunately Zaha is being quoted in some corners at being £25m more than that it's simply not achievable for us to spend that kind of money on a rotation player. It would be daft for us to do so and daft for us as fans to think so. Get quality players in yes, but at the right kind of market rates that do things the correct way even if every other team around us is losing their heads at the moment. Every deals got to be a good one for Spurs

Ps thanks for the ITK and updates, I can't bear to think how these Windows would be without them so many thanks from me and any other Tottenham fan on here
Thing is we need players that are going to rotate with the likes of Dele,Eriksen, Kane etc without the quality dropping massively. How much are each one of those worth? That is the price of a top quality player, so why would we be able to find adequate stand ins for peanuts? 3 players averaging 40-50mil each is not too much to ask and I'm hopefull that's sort of where we will be come the end of the window.
 

Trix

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i just think someone is weird with Palace at the moment and they might be in more financial difficulty than is coming to light, they may be happy to sell at the right price or even desperate to sell, think 60m in todays market for a player like Zaha who has 4 years left is a fair price
You have to wonder how much financial trouble they are in if they are offering Zaha another big and improved contract a year after his last one though.
 

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Whilst it can be frustrating, each time a club decides they will spend a record amount on a player, the precedent makes their negotiating position much harder going forward. Equally, when it comes to selling a player, it is essential that the club protects values even if it means having to keep a player for longer than anticipated. The signal you send to other clubs by either buying at a premium rate or selling a bargain basement levels is significant and has wider consequences.

Even City take a position that they will not overpay, despite a seemingly limitless budget. This is not only to comply with financial fair play, but to send a message to other clubs that they will not pay over the odds.

With regards to the Zaha situation, it strikes me that Palace are not only open to selling, but rather desperate to. When they signed Wilf to a long-term contract they knew it was a mechanism by which they could extract maximum value the following year. Most rational Palace fans, appreciate that fact and would not begrudge him a move to a bigger club. The TV money only gets mid-lower table clubs so far and they will rely on the proceeds of sales to build the squad. The 70m nonsense quoted is what Palace have leaked to put the stake in the ground for negotiations - clearly, there is no-one in the top6 who will pay that amount on him and Everton would be mad/unwilling to part with that sort of money on one player. The player wants out and Poch is a huge fan of his. It will be dragged out but something will have to give from Palace's side and although others may be a bit more skeptical, they will look to do a deal that involves significant cash - say, 40m and a player/two. Now before people scoff, for a club like Palace to receive that sort of money and an international - say like Sissoko and young talent - say Onomah may be too hard to resist.
 

knowlespurs

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You have to wonder how much financial trouble they are in if they are offering Zaha another big and improved contract a year after his last one though.
by all accounts he is on 100k and increased to 120k, maybe they offered knowing he wouldnt sign and would make any trasnsfer easier to sell to the fans
 

djee

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You have to wonder how much financial trouble they are in if they are offering Zaha another big and improved contract a year after his last one though.

It is publicly staged, and its purpose is to influence negotiations on a sale.
 

daryl hannah

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You have to wonder how much financial trouble they are in if they are offering Zaha another big and improved contract a year after his last one though.
If Zaha is the player keeping them up, offering him another £1m / year is much more effective than potentially being relegated (financially speaking).
 

djee

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Relegation beckons without Zara . They really are a one man team.

They do rely heavily on him, that is true. That said, they are not foolish and know they can not keep him long-term. If they can take large proceeds to invest in building the squad, they will.
 

djee

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If Zaha is the player keeping them up, offering him another £1m / year is much more effective than potentially being relegated (financially speaking).
It is a fair point, but they lost Wilf to injury for large/crucial stages last year and the reliance on him may encourage investment in the squad as a whole.
 

Trix

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If he's a olone man team keeping them up, then why would they sell for anything other than ludicrous money.
 
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