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Shane Burns obviously remembers them.
Shane Burns obviously remembers them.
I know what he's saying, but the rest of that post is bollocks. Saying "no-one will care two hoots about cup wins down the line" is the exact 100% opposite of the truth.
The only thing which will show in the record books, which will inspire future generations and which will form part of the rich history of the club, is winning trophies. It's the top four finishes and the CL knockout stage exits that won't be recorded, that no-one will remember, that no-one will give two hoots about.
Everyone knows Poch is prioritising the League and CL and that's perfectly understandable given they are the tougher games and bigger rewards. The problem isn't the relative weighting of importance - it's the history of writing the domestic cups off completely, and the attitude of some fans that 1, the cups aren't important in any way and 2, that they're actually somehow an inconvenience to us because we're trying to win bigger pots.
The hubris of this thinking is astonishing - our recent history shows that we have won absolutely fuck all! We are not United, Chelsea or Arsenal, who can justifiably say they have a recent history of winning these cups and so can be excused in saying they're now pushing for the bigger targets. We can't just suddenly decide we're an uber club who are too big for the cups - we're not.
We're not going to win the league. We're definitely not going to win the CL. We do need to keep finishing in the top four for a variety of reasons. We should be looking at the domestic cups as the perfect platforms to achieve real success, and to launch the club into this new era of becoming a true uber club. We can afford to win the precisely because we're not going to win the other prizes. We can win them without damaging our top four hopes. We can win them because the fans have been suffering for years watching our rivals win everything. We can win them to get our players some damn medals and to get rid of the millstone around our necks that says you'll never win anything with Tottenham.
We are not the massive club some people (including Poch) seem to think we are - not yet - and the domestic cups are not below us, as some people seem to think.
Perhaps everyone needs to ask why it all fell to pieces for 20 mins how unprofessional is that of the team and management.Blah blah blah. If we didn't fall to pieces for 20 minutes tonight we'd have won and everyone would be patting each other on the back.
Last sunday people were talking about winning the league now we'll never win a trophy?
Really shouldn't be suprised at how bipolar spurs fans can be. Some of us are real drama queens.
Will we win a trophy? I hope so, lets see at the end of the season.
Perhaps everyone needs to ask why it all fell to pieces for 20 mins how unprofessional is that of the team and management.
We have and will. This is not unique to the cups though is what i'm saying. We do it in the league and cl (last season) too. So to say it was because we don't care about domestic cups is unjustified.
No because you can not win every game in the league, isn't that obvious? In a cup game you win or your out, you don't get a chance to recover next week. So you can't give a half arsed effort against rivals and expect good things. Shit happens when you relax in your mind because you think a game is won or not important.
Just out of curiosity, how many of the players that played yesterday consider West Ham rivals do you think? I only ask because I am not from London (as most of those players aren't) and West Ham to me is just a mid table club. I don't have the history or the fact that I might see their fans on a daily basis. In fact, I have only met a handful of West Ham supporters in my life.
As far as the players go, there is no way they can reach maximum intensity every match. There are matches that mean more. We just played at RM and Liverpool before the biggest crowd ever to see a PL match. We have ManU and then RM coming up next week. We were obviously resting players, which regardless of what anyone says, means the match is not as important as the ones before and after to someone. We are not at the level that we can compete on 4 fronts with the number of injuries combined with our squad depth. I am OK with prioritizing the league and CL over the Cups though I still hated to lose yesterday.
My only question is are those that want the Cups prioritized now willing to sacrifice league points or CL knockout qualification to earn that domestic cup silverware?
Regarding this season, we will not win the CL or the PL. So we have just the FA Cup to aim for. I cannot see us winning that either because Poch will put out an half arsed side for the quarter finals and fuck that up as well in the hope of reeling in a fifteen point gap on Citeh.
His deep down belief that we absolutely must prioritize the CL or PL is misleading the players, fans and Club in my opinion. Fergie started his reign at Yanited with an FA Cup win, he didn't as far as i recollect tell Martin Edwards and the Stretford End, "no fuck that, let's hit the big time this season in the European Cup or win the Division One title.
Fergie's Fourth Season after three trophy-less seasons:
1989-90: The breakthrough season. Signings of Paul Ince, Gary Pallister, Mike Phelan and Neil Webb are making no discernible difference to league form. Ferguson’s worst day comes in a 5-1 defeat to Manchester City and fan holds sign up saying, ‘3 YEARS OF EXCUSES AND IT’S STILL C**P - TA RA FERGIE’ after home defeat to Crystal Palace. But Mark Robins’ goal at Forest begins run in FA Cup that ends in Wembley glory.
LEAGUE: 13th. FA CUP: Winners. LEAGUE CUP: 3rd Round.
Poch needs to be more conservative with his ambitions, or at least play his cards closer to his chest, if not we will become the laughing stock of football.
Flame away.
Which is mainly what people are talking about. The team was fine last night (the only difference is I would've had Kane on the bench, given no-one else in that team has actually scored more than one goal this season).
The problem is the hubristic attitude which pervades the club, but most importantly (and strangely) the fans, which has decided that winning a major domestic trophy is somehow beneath us - and all in aid of some pie in the Sky dream of winning one of two trophies we are incredibly unlikely to win.
Going out of the League Cup provides almost no advantage to the club whatsoever, and for Spurs fans, who have seen the club win the square root of fuck all for over 25 years, to be dismissing it as some kind of unimportant hindrance to the club is one of the most ridiculous things I've seen in a modern football age full of ridiculousness.
Just out of curiosity, how many of the players that played yesterday consider West Ham rivals do you think? I only ask because I am not from London (as most of those players aren't) and West Ham to me is just a mid table club. I don't have the history or the fact that I might see their fans on a daily basis. In fact, I have only met a handful of West Ham supporters in my life.
As far as the players go, there is no way they can reach maximum intensity every match. There are matches that mean more. We just played at RM and Liverpool before the biggest crowd ever to see a PL match. We have ManU and then RM coming up next week. We were obviously resting players, which regardless of what anyone says, means the match is not as important as the ones before and after to someone. We are not at the level that we can compete on 4 fronts with the number of injuries combined with our squad depth. I am OK with prioritizing the league and CL over the Cups though I still hated to lose yesterday.
My only question is are those that want the Cups prioritized now willing to sacrifice league points or CL knockout qualification to earn that domestic cup silverware?
that question suggests it has to be one or the other. which we all know not to be the case.That's not really a fair question. The real question is would you sacrifice cl knockout qualification and league points for a place in the 5th round of the league cup.
why would we finish 13th though? this whole "would you rather Top 4 and CL qualification or win a cup and plummet down the leagues into oblivion" argument makes no sense whatsoever. we can win cups AND still finish Top 4 this season.We finish this season 13th and win the FA Cup and we have gone backwards in my opinion. We'd be more likely to retain Poch and the players after a third successive title challenge and no trophies. That's how football is now. I long for a trophy but a singular League Cup (which from here we still had no guarantees of winning even if #1 priority) is not going to change Poch's legacy, see Ramos and Graham.
Arsenal have won 3 FA Cups in 4 years but the place is still toxic, they pay much higher wages and have more players wanting out than us! Adds perspective IMHO. Surely that flys in the face of everything said in here?
The guy saying no one remembers the Newcastle Keegan team is an idiot, clearly many do, including him. Bet he doesn't remember George Graham's 98/99 league cup conquerors! We are making waves, hence why everyone wants to talk us down. I'll wait and see how the season pans out before slating Poch here. People would still find something to say if we won the league, comes with the territory of being a threat, we need to develop a thick skin for now.
The thing is Poch put a team out last night that was more than capable, the lads let us down by dropping their effort and concentration levels, helped by West Ham lulling them in by being utter shit first half!
Hopefully an important lesson learned, if we get a good result on Saturday it will really help get over this. I'd rather us still be in, but it is worth noting now we have avoided a punishing schedule in what is already one of the hardest times of the season. I hope the big teams all make the semis for that reason.
I DO think Poch wants to win trophies*, I just think he wants us to be the best team in the country and puts that above anything else. Naive maybe, but I've enjoyed the ride so far!
*every single big side rotated in this cup, disrespecting it, difference is the rest just scraped through and we didn't.