Willian to Chelsea

[spurious1]

Don't agree with this sorry. Think it shows how good their scouting network is.

You may be right...but his transfer was 19kEuros; he was not an unknown quantity. I don't remember what other options he had at the time - but he was getting plenty of playing time at Corinthians - and I think the league in Brazil is better than that in Ukraine. I can't see any real motivation for him to go there other than a monetary one (also for his agent and his cut of the transfer). He was as much or more in the "shop window for the big clubs" in Brazil.

 

[Snarfalicious]

Don't agree with this sorry. Think it shows how good their scouting network is.

Exactly. That's what they do, they buy young, relatively unknown talents and develop them to dominate in their Ukranian Leauge and bring them into the spotlight via Champions League. They have so many good, young players that I'd love to see in a Spurs shirt. Yaroslav Rakitsky, Willian, Douglas Costa, Alex Teixeira, Henrik Mkhitaryan. . . All of those guys are 24 or younger and have benefited from their program.

They have a ton of money, but they also know how to bring along talents and really turn them into great investments. I actually like Douglas Costa and Mkhitaryan better than Willian thinking long-term but that's neither here nor there.

 

[OmarsComing]

He cost them £11million, hardly unknown.

 

[Snarfalicious]

He cost them £11million, hardly unknown.

It's just like buying young British talents such as Ince, Will Hughes, Wilfried Zaha. They may not be 'unkown' but they still have a lot of gamble about them. It's not just a matter of signing them because you can, it's about developing them into quality players. Shakhtar continues to do that. They routinely do what we do, buy players at low values with upside, develop them, and then when the time is right they can sell them off for big profits. They can't buy the big name players because they can't attract them. They are basically what I wish we were in regards to our scouting network to our development of players.

 

[THOWIG]

He cost them £11million, hardly unknown.

His price tags means nothing.

 

[OmarsComing]

His price tags means nothing.

Well if he cost them €19k then it would have

 

[Dharmabum]

You may be right...but his transfer was 19kEuros; he was not an unknown quantity. I don't remember what other options he had at the time - but he was getting plenty of playing time at Corinthians - and I think the league in Brazil is better than that in Ukraine. I can't see any real motivation for him to go there other than a monetary one (also for his agent and his cut of the transfer). He was as much or more in the "shop window for the big clubs" in Brazil.

Not necessarily. Many clubs feel that if, as in this case a Brazilian, a player can adjust to life in Ukraina he can then easier adjust to life in, say, England or Italia than if he came straight from Brazil. Many players - even players considered top notch - simply can't manage the switch from Brazil to Europe

 

[EJWTartanSpur]

Not to mention, that by being able to actually play in the CL, you are able to put yourself in the shop window by playing against a lot of the sides that you might hope to move towards. You can't beat that direct contact to future suitors, playing in the Brazilian league

 

[HighVoltage]

http://www.sambafoot.com/en/news/40...s_interest_in_willian_and_leandro_damiao.html

Tottenham manager André Villas-Boas has spoken to Brazilian sports newspaper Lance! about his time at the club thus far, including his pursuit of Brazil internationals Willian and Leandro Damião.

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The Portuguese manager confirmed the club's interest in both players and confirmed that the club had made an approach for Shakhtar midfielder Willian, but insisted that it would be difficult to make a deal for the €30 million valued player.
The interest in Damião appears to be at a more preliminary stage. However, the Spurs boss was clear that the club do retain an interest in the highly-rated striker.
“We made contact with Willian and he was one of the players who we were interested in,” Villas-Boas confirmed. “I like his work, but we had a point where we had to stop—we couldn't meet his valuation. When it's like that, it's difficult, so we left the negotiation.
“Shakhtar are a difficult club to negotiate with. They know the value of Willian, they don't need money, they don't need help. They can keep hold of their players.”
Regarding Internacional striker Leandro Damião, the Portuguese added: “Leandro had a great Olympics. There are many interesting players, there are many here also—we are satisfied. But, obviously we will follow the best players and youngsters and Leandro fits this profile.
“We are watching his progression. After the Olympics he had injuries and didn't play a lot. If he is within our limits, he is always on our list.”

 

[Rogmeister]

http://metro.co.uk/2013/01/01/andre...re-in-for-leandro-damiao-and-willian-3334263/

It's amazing how the press change it. This is obviously from the same story...

 

[tom4s]

http://metro.co.uk/2013/01/01/andre...re-in-for-leandro-damiao-and-willian-3334263/

It's amazing how the press change it. This is obviously from the same story...

Being a football journalist must be the easiest and laziest job on the planet.

 

[TheAmerican]

The fact that William was willing to go to Shakhtar Donetskt means he is only motivated by money. So if we offer the biggest salary we get him. So just a purely economic issue, and we know the relative spending proclivities of Levy and Abromovich....

No, there are articles on Shaktar trying to built a strong link with Brazil. I have read that they even go as far as trying to make many elements of their home country available to them. It's an attempt to get promising young talent playing for them, and it's win-win. They get great players, the players get experience, and Shaktar gets $$$ when they sell to the big clubs.

 

[tobi]

No, there are articles on Shaktar trying to built a strong link with Brazil. I have read that they even go as far as trying to make many elements of their home country available to them. It's an attempt to get promising young talent playing for them, and it's win-win. They get great players, the players get experience, and Shaktar gets $$$ when they sell to the big clubs.

On a Football Weekly podcast a few months ago, Jonathan Wilson gave some good insight into how they go to great lengths to make them feel at home.

 

[ohwhenthespurs]

Being a football journalist must be the easiest and laziest job on the planet.

It isn't. Nor is it the best paid. As I write this from my bedsit.

 

[tom4s]

It isn't. Nor is it the best paid. As I write this from my bedsit.

I assume you are attempting actual journalism instead of just pure speculation and rewriting articles which seems to be the modus operandi of the majority of football journalism. there are many fine sports writers out there, but sadly they are in the minority. And because of the way most news are produced (at least in the printed media) there is little room for real journalism any more (metro is a perfect example of this).

Went slightly OT here, but anyway i wish you luck making a living out of what i assume is also your passion!

 

[wishkah]

His price tags means nothing.

Jessie J is right!

 

[Dan Yeats]

I don't really understand where he'd play for us. He seems to be most often described as a left sided AM. And we've got a young Welsh lad there at the mo. I've read that he can play on the right as well, but Azza's been bang back on form this season. I've read he can play the second striker role, but what we most need in a striker is someone to lead the charge, not a supporting player.

Not seen him play myself so happy to be corrected - but on the face of it appears an odd target.

Unless it's in preparation for a £60m sale.....

 

[yido_number1]

Surely those comments are reflecting on the last transfer window?

 

[brasil_spur]

He seems to want to go to Chelsea from yesterdays reports.

If this is true then we should stay well clear. The fact that anyone would want to try and compete with the talent they already have there in his position, under an interim manager means that is only real desire is money, which is probably why he went to Shaktar in the first place.

IF however that's not the case then i do think Shaktar will sell him for a less than buy out clause price.

They must realise that their top players will want to leave as frankly when it comes to teams like Brazil, and managers like Felipao, they aren't going to be picking first team players from small time european leagues like the Ukraine one. If Willian wants to be a major part in 2014 (which with his talent he could well be) he'll need to be playing for a top spanish, italian or english team for at least a full season prior IMO.

 

[brasil_spur]

I don't really understand where he'd play for us. He seems to be most often described as a left sided AM. And we've got a young Welsh lad there at the mo. I've read that he can play on the right as well, but Azza's been bang back on form this season. I've read he can play the second striker role, but what we most need in a striker is someone to lead the charge, not a supporting player.

Not seen him play myself so happy to be corrected - but on the face of it appears an odd target.

Unless it's in preparation for a £60m sale.....

He plays LW, RW and AM. For us he'd probably be used in the AM role to start with, swapping positions with Bale and Lennon, whilst also rotating with them, and giving us a more fluid attacking feel.

However i do think longer term (i.e. next season onwards) he may well be Bale's replacement.