"Winning" Penalties - Your thoughts

[Geyzer Soze]

Last night was a good example. Lamela should have been awarded a penalty early on, but hats off to him he stayed on his feet, but was denied a goal scoring opportunity.

The commentators and general chatter was that perhaps he should have gone down and made more of a show and therefore 'won' a penalty.

The 2nd one, where he was awarded one, he went down, although again seems to me he tried to stay up.

I am personally not a fan of the expression to 'Win' a penalty, and i am not a fan of players falling when they could stay up, although on the evidence of last night i can see why they must.

What say you? Is it just a part of the game that the players must play, and is 'winning' a penalty just another tactical play one makes?

 

[Lufti]

Agree with what you say, seems like there's no reward for honest players. Even if it's a foul you wont get a penalty unless you go down nowadays because the refs feel you're able to play on if you're still on your feet

 

[TaoistMonkey]

If a player has "Won" a penalty that normally means they could have stayed on their feet but went down to trick the ref. If they could have stayed on their feet then they could have scored in open play.

Unfortunatly, you get fuck all for staying on your feet. Regardless of how bad the challenge was.

 

[Geyzer Soze]

If a player has "Won" a penalty that normally means they could have stayed on their feet but went down to trick the ref. If they could have stayed on their feet then they could have scored in open play.

Unfortunatly, you get fuck all for staying on your feet. Regardless of how bad the challenge was.

Is that the letter of the law? So if the ref had awarded a penalty to Lamela for the first foul he would have in fact have been wrong to have done so?

 

[Mattspur]

This is why the referees are largely responsible for simulation in the game. They don't give a decision unless a player goes down. I think if a player is fouled in the box they should always go down unless they have a simple tap in. There's no reward for staying on your feet.

And why does a late challenge on a player who's just shot never get punished?

 

[Kendall]

Unfortunately advocating a player staying up means you're unlikely to get pens. If you're a fan of this AVB side, that probably means you won't be winning many matches as we can only win matches with penaties.

 

[TaoistMonkey]

Unfortunately advocating a player staying up means you're unlikely to get pens. If you're a fan of this AVB side, that probably means you won't be winning many matches as we can only win matches with penaties.

 

[Japhet]

The whole thing is a proper mess now. It now seems that 'contact' is the same as a foul in the penalty area, but not the same in other areas of the pitch. 'Simulation' is OK if contact has been made, but bookable otherwise. Wrestling and shirt-pulling at set pieces is acceptable and keepers are pretty much untouchable. Handball now doesn't seem to need any intent to be punished. The 'professional foul' is deemed such a crime that it warrants a red card, whereas diving to win penalties has become an accepted part of the game - to me they are equal in terms of cheating and should be punished equalyl, and if it isn't done during the match it should be done retrospectively.

 

[Kendall]

Are you calling me a Liar, Liar?

 

[UncleBuck]

Prime example last night was in the first ten minutes when Lamela got chopped down on the edge of the box with that "scissor tackle" which should have been a yellow card. Quite rightly he went down but got absolutely nothing for it, if that was in the box though surely it would have been a penalty so why wasn't it a free kick? As a free kick wasn't given though does that mean Lamela should have been booked for diving?
It's such a grey area now though, players have been diving for so long it's part of the game, blimey, they even call it simulation as opposed to cheating which quite frankly sickens me as it goes against my values from when I used to play.

 

[al_pacino]

Prime example last night was in the first ten minutes when Lamela got chopped down on the edge of the box with that "scissor tackle" which should have been a yellow card. Quite rightly he went down but got absolutely nothing for it, if that was in the box though surely it would have been a penalty so why wasn't it a free kick? As a free kick wasn't given though does that mean Lamela should have been booked for diving?
It's such a grey area now though, players have been diving for so long it's part of the game, blimey, they even call it simulation as opposed to cheating which quite frankly sickens me as it goes against my values from when I used to play.

Don't be daft re the bolded bit.

Ref didn't give for the simple reason that he didn't see it. How I don't know because it looked pretty clear.

I agree with whoever posted that refs have to look at themselves a bit when it comes to "going down easily" because they just don't blow for a foul if someone gets put off their stride, try to carry on and lose the ball because of it.

 

[stonecolddeanaustin]

Is that the letter of the law? So if the ref had awarded a penalty to Lamela for the first foul he would have in fact have been wrong to have done so?

Nope. There's absolutely nothing to say the player has to go to ground for it to be considered a foul. If the referees had the balls to give fouls without a player going to ground then maybe their jobs would begin to get easier with less diving going on.

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afdeveloping/refereeing/law_12_fouls_misconduct_en_47379.pdf

 

[TaoistMonkey]

Are you calling me a Liar, Liar?

bizarrely not intentionally but I think it fits

 

[nailsy]

I like seeing players who try to stay on their feet when they are fouled. Refs should play the advantage and then point to the spot if theres no goal scored. I do think refs need help via technology though as it really isn't an easy job.

 

[chinaman]

Unfortunately advocating a player staying up means you're unlikely to get pens. If you're a fan of this AVB side, that probably means you won't be winning many matches as we can only win matches with penaties.

Is that why AVB fell out with the advocate of play-acting that is Maureen?