Winter Transfer Wishlist

[heelspurs]

There's a CM in Argentina whom I didn't want to propose as I want to keep in my team, but I think it will be hard to keep him after this season.
Exequiel Palacios. 19 yr old CM that plays for River, and has already played for the national team twice, being the best player on the pitch.
The videos on youtube don't show completely how good he plays. He's a box to box, but can play anywhere in the middle.
He's very young but exactly what we need

I'm sure we are very aware of him...

 

[dtxspurs]

NDombele going by comments on here looks the biz, but if he was something really special when in Ligue2 why was the fee so small. he took his chance when he joined Lyon, but would he get the pace and physicallity of the Prem or to of picked him up from the Ligue2 club like Lyon did, did he have enough in his locker.

it would be great if we could find talent from any league without spending silly money if they don't work, but at the moment to buy a player in the top league for any country in Europe you have to pay silly money, and any team not just us have to consider that if they fail can we get the fee back. trouble is you will only get top money for any player from the top teams RM, Barca, possibly Juve, and the 2 Milan clubs, and PSG, but they won't pay it for a flop, so every player you sign from abroad now days has to be a hit, or a rare talent out of nowhere.

Cause he was in Ligue 2...

He looked awesome against PSG & City so I think he'd be alright alright playing against Everton... the whole "pace of the premier league" thing is so dated. The best players in the league last year Silva, De Bruyne, Salah... from Spain, Germany, Italy. If you're good enough you'll be fine.

Its complete BS that prices are just too crazy we can't get anything done. Alassane Plea and Fabian Ruiz this summer would have fixed so many problems for us. 55 million total for a backup forward who is currently joint leading scorer in the bundesliga and a big time potential ball playing CM. Add that with Under last year 13.4 mil, Ross Barkley 15 mil... there is still plenty of value in the market.

 

[mill]

Cause he was in Ligue 2...

He looked awesome against PSG & City so I think he'd be alright alright playing against Everton... the whole "pace of the premier league" thing is so dated. The best players in the league last year Silva, De Bruyne, Salah... from Spain, Germany, Italy. If you're good enough you'll be fine.

Its complete BS that prices are just too crazy we can't get anything done. Alassane Plea and Fabian Ruiz this summer would have fixed so many problems for us. 55 million total for a backup forward who is currently joint leading scorer in the bundesliga and a big time potential ball playing CM. Add that with Under last year 13.4 mil, Ross Barkley 15 mil... there is still plenty of value in the market.

There may well be value in current terms but is there 2007 value?

 

[Singayid]

There may well be value in current terms but is there 2007 value?

Fuck off Daniel ?

 

[heelspurs]

Cause he was in Ligue 2...

He looked awesome against PSG & City so I think he'd be alright alright playing against Everton... the whole "pace of the premier league" thing is so dated. The best players in the league last year Silva, De Bruyne, Salah... from Spain, Germany, Italy. If you're good enough you'll be fine.

Its complete BS that prices are just too crazy we can't get anything done. Alassane Plea and Fabian Ruiz this summer would have fixed so many problems for us. 55 million total for a backup forward who is currently joint leading scorer in the bundesliga and a big time potential ball playing CM. Add that with Under last year 13.4 mil, Ross Barkley 15 mil... there is still plenty of value in the market.

We were very aware of all those players but...hold on, let me cue these up:
1) Deals are hard to get done when other bigger teams are interested
2) There is a PL premium so we have to wait and be clever lest we get into a bidding war that we can't win (especially since we had no interest making any real effort to sign the player but rather to make it seem like it and we spread our leaks and whispers around to keep fans onside while we do fuck all in the market to address our now 3 year old weaknesses in the squad)
3) Although we know about these reasonably priced and competent players you just wait for the really super wacky special player we got our eyes on to splash out our massive amounts of cash that we've been hanging fire on. I mean super duper uber special player that would make Messi look like Sissoko. I'd tell you more but I can't.
4) Lessons have been learned and we won't come up short next TW...not January mind but the next one...after season tickets sales and all. But don't worry we gon do bidness in January though we never do. (anyone have Zaha's number? Oh wait, I burned that bullshit this past summer...I mean Saha...Louis Saha)
5) We are aware of all these super hot youngsters all around the globe because we got scouts, the best scouts, and everyone else's scouts are losers, big losers. It's just that Poch doesn't want all these talented skillful players. He is happy with our current artistic MF stylings.
6) NDombele you say. We were aware of him at Amiens. We just didn't think that 8-10M was good value from Ligue 2. And plus our people were weary of all tekkers he throws when in possession. Poch prefers players to keep it simple in possession. This is why Eric Dier gets the start. If we are going to give the ball away to Liverpool in our own end why go through the hassle of all the shielding and toiling just send a nice through-ball down the middle to Mo Salah. Doesn't get any easier than that. Simples!

And though that 8-10M from Ligue 2 wasn't good value we are going to go balls deep for him for 55M from Ligue 1. And we are going to do it with press leaks and all. We got a chance and it is better value now. And this little PR stunt has nothing to do with the shit team form, crap CL performance, nor empty f*cking seats in Wembley. Nope, not at all. And the coincidental press leaks and info from other sources is purely that, coincidental.

7) Poch wants specific players like FDJ and MDL even though there seems little chance on god's green earth that we could get them. So were are going to go all out (not really of course but the info that you will be party to will make it seem that way)...and probably just miss out on that player but we will try so hard. You know like Moutinho, a player that we needed then and still need/could use. But maybe we can make a successful bid for him 7 years laters after his legs have gone and the manager doesn't want him like Llorente. Sounds a plan.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

I know about him. Very difficult to go though, as the mega clubs also know about him

Thanks for the info as always. Realistically speaking surely any player that would improve us would be known by the mega clubs.

 

[Hercules]

Thanks for the info as always. Realistically speaking surely any player that would improve us would be known by the mega clubs.

Ofcourse that would be the case. But in this case Poch has his own scouts (friends) out there following potentials very closely.

 

[McArchibald]

I know about him. Very difficult to do though, as the mega clubs also know about him

Indeed, as it will be Levy doing the negotiations...

 

[coys200]

The palacios kid looks like a young fabregas.

 

[Lighty64]

Cause he was in Ligue 2...

He looked awesome against PSG & City so I think he'd be alright alright playing against Everton... the whole "pace of the premier league" thing is so dated. The best players in the league last year Silva, De Bruyne, Salah... from Spain, Germany, Italy. If you're good enough you'll be fine.

Its complete BS that prices are just too crazy we can't get anything done. Alassane Plea and Fabian Ruiz this summer would have fixed so many problems for us. 55 million total for a backup forward who is currently joint leading scorer in the bundesliga and a big time potential ball playing CM. Add that with Under last year 13.4 mil, Ross Barkley 15 mil... there is still plenty of value in the market.

when you talk Siva and De Bruyne your talking at the time mega, mega money, and wages. we are only just entering a period where we can start paying big wages, but will never be able to compete for a player City can because they can always pay the extra fee without it hurting them. they can also buy that quality and have something a little less talented okay with sitting on the bench for 150-200k a week.

with Plea he is playing week in week out in a 4 team league, coming to us and sitting on the bench week in week out unless Kane gets injured means he doesn't play, just like Llorente and Janssen. we need to find someone that's the future that can sit on the bench, because Poch won't use 2 strikers up top often enough.

it's not BS that prices are crazy, guarantee every player that comes over from a European league will have a premier tax added, because the world knows that the PL is the richest league, and there was a hell of a lot of players that signed for the other 19 clubs this summer and not many other than Maddison that have made a real impact yet, not that we could of really competed for

edit: before you mention Kovacic we can't compete with Chelsea

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Ofcourse that would be the case. But in this case Poch has his own scouts (friends) out there following potentials very closely.

Good to know, wish we could tap the south America market up more. Where WP aren't too much of an issue.

 

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when you talk Siva and De Bruyne your talking at the time mega, mega money, and wages. we are only just entering a period where we can start paying big wages, but will never be able to compete for a player City can because they can always pay the extra fee without it hurting them. they can also buy that quality and have something a little less talented okay with sitting on the bench for 150-200k a week.

with Plea he is playing week in week out in a 4 team league, coming to us and sitting on the bench week in week out unless Kane gets injured means he doesn't play, just like Llorente and Janssen. we need to find someone that's the future that can sit on the bench, because Poch won't use 2 strikers up top often enough.

it's not BS that prices are crazy, guarantee every player that comes over from a European league will have a premier tax added, because the world knows that the PL is the richest league, and there was a hell of a lot of players that signed for the other 19 clubs this summer and not many other than Maddison that have made a real impact yet, not that we could of really competed for

edit: before you mention Kovacic we can't compete with Chelsea

In an attempt to defend and justify our owners' cheapness (and ineptitude) in the transfer market, you constantly try to peddle the lie that "we're not a rich club", that "we don't have the money" and that "we can't compete" despite being provided with myriad evidence that we're far from the impoverished club you like to portray. You correctly acknowledge that "the PL is the richest league" but refuse to believe that our owners are the beneficiaries of those riches! It's not a question of "can't" it's a question of "won't". According to Forbes, Joe Lewis, OUR owner has a greater net worth than Sheik Mansoor! But whist the Man City owner is prepared to spend that considerable wealth on footballers, ours won't; he prefers to spend it on property development. Of the 'Top 10 Richest Owners in the PL", here's where our's sits:

5. Joe Lewis (Spurs)

Estimated net worth: £3,838,000,000

Source of wealth: Currency trading

6. Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahayan (Manchester City)

Estimated net worth: £3,761,240,000

Source of wealth: Inheritance and oil

But yeah, you keep on insisting that we couldn't compete with any of the other clubs in the entire PL to buy a single footballer this summer (but if we could've done, he wouldn't have made any impact anyway).
Just once, wouldn't like to see our owners go "balls out" this winter and throw serious money (you know, like they have with the NPD) at a footballer that our manager really wants; a player that could seriously improve us?

 

[sausage]

In an attempt to defend and justify our owners' cheapness (and ineptitude) in the transfer market, you constantly try to peddle the lie that "we're not a rich club", that "we don't have the money" and that "we can't compete" despite being provided with myriad evidence that we're far from the impoverished club you like to portray. You correctly acknowledge that "the PL is the richest league" but refuse to believe that our owners are the beneficiaries of those riches! It's not a question of "can't" it's a question of "won't". According to Forbes, Joe Lewis, OUR owner has a greater net worth than Sheik Mansoor! But whist the Man City owner is prepared to spend that considerable wealth on footballers, ours won't; he prefers to spend it on property development. Of the 'Top 10 Richest Owners in the PL", here's where our's sits:

5. Joe Lewis (Spurs)

Estimated net worth: £3,838,000,000

Source of wealth: Currency trading

6. Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahayan (Manchester City)

Estimated net worth: £3,761,240,000

Source of wealth: Inheritance and oil

But yeah, you keep on insisting that we couldn't compete with any of the other clubs in the entire PL to buy a single footballer this summer (but if we could've done, he wouldn't have made any impact anyway).
Just once, wouldn't like to see our owners go "balls out" this winter and throw serious money (you know, like they have with the NPD) at a footballer that our manager really wants; a player that could seriously improve us?

That'll be the Sheik Mansour that is "prepared to spend that considerable wealth on footballers", but not to buy a Stadium?

£800m+ difference in investment that you're ignoring there

 

[robertgoulet]

Good to know, wish we could tap the south America market up more. Where WP aren't too much of an issue.

Isn’t the main issue with SA players Levy not dealing the 3rd party ownership? I thought that was the case.

 

[Lighty64]

In an attempt to defend and justify our owners' cheapness (and ineptitude) in the transfer market, you constantly try to peddle the lie that "we're not a rich club", that "we don't have the money" and that "we can't compete" despite being provided with myriad evidence that we're far from the impoverished club you like to portray. You correctly acknowledge that "the PL is the richest league" but refuse to believe that our owners are the beneficiaries of those riches! It's not a question of "can't" it's a question of "won't". According to Forbes, Joe Lewis, OUR owner has a greater net worth than Sheik Mansoor! But whist the Man City owner is prepared to spend that considerable wealth on footballers, ours won't; he prefers to spend it on property development. Of the 'Top 10 Richest Owners in the PL", here's where our's sits:

5. Joe Lewis (Spurs)

Estimated net worth: £3,838,000,000

Source of wealth: Currency trading

6. Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahayan (Manchester City)

Estimated net worth: £3,761,240,000

Source of wealth: Inheritance and oil

But yeah, you keep on insisting that we couldn't compete with any of the other clubs in the entire PL to buy a single footballer this summer (but if we could've done, he wouldn't have made any impact anyway).
Just once, wouldn't like to see our owners go "balls out" this winter and throw serious money (you know, like they have with the NPD) at a footballer that our manager really wants; a player that could seriously improve us?

when City was taken over they had everything in place so never needed investment in any thing because it was already there a stadium so much bigger than ours. so there owner could pile everything at the team and have a 10year advantage over us. you keep banging on about our profits this last few years, but don't mention the lack of profits for when ENIC took over or up to the last 4 seasons.

yes they fucked up big time this summer everyman and his dog know that, but you only think it's the money side. you blame ENIC but you have no idea if the players we tried to get decided they didn't want to come to us because they didn't want to sit on the bench, or because of the wages we was willing to pay them, or that there clubs didn't want to actually sell the players that Poch wanted.

if you can't see the improvements in the team we have, and everything Spurs pre ENIC that is your choice, because we could of had a lot worst owners. when they took over they didn't take us a play thing not like Abramovic or the sheik both who paid 2 bob compared to ENIC and as mentioned both had the bricks and mortar in place, and with a 36k stadium and the merchandise profits we had there is no way we could afford to be paying players 150k plus week in week out, otherwise we would be a lot higher in the forbes money list

 

[dontcallme]

when City was taken over they had everything in place so never needed investment in any thing because it was already there a stadium so much bigger than ours. so there owner could pile everything at the team and have a 10year advantage over us. you keep banging on about our profits this last few years, but don't mention the lack of profits for when ENIC took over or up to the last 4 seasons.

yes they fucked up big time this summer everyman and his dog know that, but you only think it's the money side. you blame ENIC but you have no idea if the players we tried to get decided they didn't want to come to us because they didn't want to sit on the bench, or because of the wages we was willing to pay them, or that there clubs didn't want to actually sell the players that Poch wanted.

if you can't see the improvements in the team we have, and everything Spurs pre ENIC that is your choice, because we could of had a lot worst owners. when they took over they didn't take us a play thing not like Abramovic or the sheik both who paid 2 bob compared to ENIC and as mentioned both had the bricks and mortar in place, and with a 36k stadium and the merchandise profits we had there is no way we could afford to be paying players 150k plus week in week out, otherwise we would be a lot higher in the forbes money list

I agree.

I don’t think our issues with failing to improve the squad are simply about Levy being tight.

I am mostly concerned about our transfer setup. We cannot in general buy players over the likes of City.

We will not improve if we buy players the likes of Everton want.

So our best method is buying players who have the ceiling of being at our level but are not there yet.

Last year we got Davinson. We now need a player ready to take over from Eriksen and Dembele.

Winks may be the player to take over from Dembele. Not sure where our Eriksen replacement is coming from.

 

[Lighty64]

I agree.

I don’t think our issues with failing to improve the squad are simply about Levy being tight.

I am mostly concerned about our transfer setup. We cannot in general buy players over the likes of City.

We will not improve if we buy players the likes of Everton want.

So our best method is buying players who have the ceiling of being at our level but are not there yet.

Last year we got Davinson. We now need a player ready to take over from Eriksen and Dembele.

Winks may be the player to take over from Dembele. Not sure where our Eriksen replacement is coming from.

totally agree we need to find players to be able to replace those, and it's not easy. they would also moan if we spent 30+ m on a player that totally failed to make the grade (insert: Sissoko). no one in here valued Grealish at the 25m Villa where 1st asking for, but where desperate for us to pay it just so it meant we signed someone.

the only way we will ever be able to compete for everything is if ENIC sell, and someone comes in and has the money to buy success. myself I'd rather earn success, and not be spoon fed it

 

[dondo]

totally agree we need to find players to be able to replace those, and it's not easy. they would also moan if we spent 30+ m on a player that totally failed to make the grade (insert: Sissoko). no one in here valued Grealish at the 25m Villa where 1st asking for, but where desperate for us to pay it just so it meant we signed someone.

the only way we will ever be able to compete for everything is if ENIC sell, and someone comes in and has the money to buy success. myself I'd rather earn success, and not be spoon fed it

I’d take it anyway it comes and it’s debatable success will ever come unless we start spending with the big boys

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

totally agree we need to find players to be able to replace those, and it's not easy. they would also moan if we spent 30+ m on a player that totally failed to make the grade (insert: Sissoko). no one in here valued Grealish at the 25m Villa where 1st asking for, but where desperate for us to pay it just so it meant we signed someone.

the only way we will ever be able to compete for everything is if ENIC sell, and someone comes in and has the money to buy success. myself I'd rather earn success, and not be spoon fed it

I think our diverging and differing feelings at the moment are significantly more to do with the last transfer window than other factors. And with respect, Lighty (I enjoy your posts and your humour), I’m not convinced we couldn’t have got a decent central midfielder in if the will was there for this to happen. Dier, Wanyama, Winks and Sissoko are not even close to world class, let alone the ‘very good’ category- it would be relatively easy selling the idea of being a regular starter to a decent CM based on our personnel alone. Dembele is genuine class but he’s past his best physically and this is well known. In an area that was, and worryingly still is, our weakest point- how hard would it really be for the club to coax a quality, up and coming central midfielder? Unless of course we weren’t prepared to stump up the cash necessary in this market (50-60 million seems the going rate). This is where we fucked up. And there should be no excuses, given our upward trajectory as a club.
Grealish was a weird one- it felt opportunistic but blew up in our faces spectacularly when we dithered and, typically for us, a new buyer arrived. I wasn’t fussed either way if we signed him, but the broader context of our strategy here and how we made promises to Grealish and then fucked around before backing out (lots of prominent itk were critical of this) was embarrassing to say the least. I’m not anti Levy fan- he’s done some amazing things for our development as a business but our recent on field successes are down to Poch, and because of this I hope he’s backed in the market the next time round

 

[coy-spurs1882]

I’d take it anyway it comes and it’s debatable success will ever come unless we start spending with the big boys

don't think we will see this unless a billionaire who doesn't care about the financials take over