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Jaddas

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Ofcourse that would be the case. But in this case Poch has his own scouts (friends) out there following potentials very closely.

Makes sense as it's his home country. I hope he decides, and is allowed, to take a punt on a couple of them, as there is a lot of talent in Argentina and Brazil (maybe his mates can scout Brazil too for us!). We need to start taking a chance on players before they have a good season and then become too expensive for us.

We used to be quite good at identifying young talent but it seems to have fallen by the wayside over the past few years. As much as Poch doesn't like a Director of Football, I think we need one to help identify and purchase these young and up coming talent. Poch likes working with young players but I think he's scared of someone buying players for the club and not having control.

We seem to flirt with some of the big talents e.g. Martial, De Ligt, De Jong etc but never get any of them as "bigger" clubs are always interested. Clubs like Leverkusen, Lyon, Dortmund etc find and attract young players, most of which make immediate first team impact. I think we identify them but wait, wait and wait to "consider" a bid but by then the big boys are interested. Next years De Ligt or De Jong will probably be players like Chilwell, Maddison, Palacios, Plea, Haidara, Diawara, Lozano etc.

It just seems as though we have no transfer strategy or succession planning (e.g. for Dembele, Verts etc), except for flirting and "considering a bid" but buying no one.

p.s. Still peeved at how we didn't get Sancho last year. He's a London boy and wanted to leave with us supposedly as his preferred destination. They wanted Walker, who wanted out (as did Poch) so we bent over but allowed them to get away with it. Seems like we were happy that they overpaid for Walker and paid a transfer record for a defender at the time but didn't think of our own needs. 12 months on and he's already worth more than Walker. What crap negotiating.
 

danielneeds

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Makes sense as it's his home country. I hope he decides, and is allowed, to take a punt on a couple of them, as there is a lot of talent in Argentina and Brazil (maybe his mates can scout Brazil too for us!). We need to start taking a chance on players before they have a good season and then become too expensive for us.

We used to be quite good at identifying young talent but it seems to have fallen by the wayside over the past few years. As much as Poch doesn't like a Director of Football, I think we need one to help identify and purchase these young and up coming talent. Poch likes working with young players but I think he's scared of someone buying players for the club and not having control.

We seem to flirt with some of the big talents e.g. Martial, De Ligt, De Jong etc but never get any of them as "bigger" clubs are always interested. Clubs like Leverkusen, Lyon, Dortmund etc find and attract young players, most of which make immediate first team impact. I think we identify them but wait, wait and wait to "consider" a bid but by then the big boys are interested. Next years De Ligt or De Jong will probably be players like Chilwell, Maddison, Palacios, Plea, Haidara, Diawara, Lozano etc.

It just seems as though we have no transfer strategy or succession planning (e.g. for Dembele, Verts etc), except for flirting and "considering a bid" but buying no one.

p.s. Still peeved at how we didn't get Sancho last year. He's a London boy and wanted to leave with us supposedly as his preferred destination. They wanted Walker, who wanted out (as did Poch) so we bent over but allowed them to get away with it. Seems like we were happy that they overpaid for Walker and paid a transfer record for a defender at the time but didn't think of our own needs. 12 months on and he's already worth more than Walker. What crap negotiating.
The crucial difference between the clubs you mention and us is that in recent years they've been selling a lot of their top talent, so have more open space in their squad for youngsters they've brought in.
 

Jaddas

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The crucial difference between the clubs you mention and us is that in recent years they've been selling a lot of their top talent, so have more open space in their squad for youngsters they've brought in.

Surely we could get a couple to supplement the main transfers? We would definitely have space if we didn't have players like Llorente, Sissoko, N'Koudou, Jansenn et al on our books.

Also clubs like Lyon and Leverkusen have no option but to sell their top talent because of where they are in the food chain. We are wealthier than those 2 so should have a better chance of keeping hold of ours. Dortmund are slightly different as they are fairly similar in size, though more successful recently than us.
 

danielneeds

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Surely we could get a couple to supplement the main transfers? We would definitely have space if we didn't have players like Llorente, Sissoko, N'Koudou, Jansenn et al on our books.

Also clubs like Lyon and Leverkusen have no option but to sell their top talent because of where they are in the food chain. We are wealthier than those 2 so should have a better chance of keeping hold of ours. Dortmund are slightly different as they are fairly similar in size, though more successful recently than us.
The point is that the pathway for young players, either externally or through the academy is somewhat blocked off at the moment because the first 15 or 16 players in the team are so well established, and have been here a while.

It's all very well buying exciting starlets, but if you don't have a pathway for them (usually created by selling players) then they just come here, and whither and die.
 

Jaddas

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The point is that the pathway for young players, either externally or through the academy is somewhat blocked off at the moment because the first 15 or 16 players in the team are so well established, and have been here a while.

It's all very well buying exciting starlets, but if you don't have a pathway for them (usually created by selling players) then they just come here, and whither and die.

I understand what you are saying but I think there is a pathway but we just don't have any exciting starlets in the right areas. As mentioned, if we sell some squad fillers then I think they would have a chance. The best one we have is KWP but he has 2 international right backs ahead of him, which is poor planning but that's for another thread. Poch threw in Dele very quickly as he proved himself in training and then scored when he came off the bench, so I think he would take a chance.

If we had a central midfield starlet then they would've played this season. Amos came on against Newcastle but is now out for the season. Skipp played in pre-season and I think has been on the bench recently.
 

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According to Transfer Markt, the following players’ contracts are expiring in the summer (not including players whose respective clubs have an option of another year, e.g. De Gea & Martial at Man Utd):

- Adrian Rabiot, 23, CM, PSG
- Luke Shaw, 23, LB, Man Utd
- Alphonse Areola, 25, GK, PSG
- Declan Rice, 19, CB/DM, West Ham
- Aaron Ramsey, 28, CM, Arsenal
- Hector Herrera, 28, CM, Porto
- Angel Di Maria, 30, LM, PSG
- Diego Godin, 32, CB, At. Madrid
- Andre Herrera, 29, CM, Man Utd
- Juan Mata, 30, AM, Man Utd
- Cesc Fabregas, 31, CM, Chelsea
- Yacine Brahimi, 28, LM, Porto
- David Luiz, 31, CB, Chelsea
- Phil Jones, 26, CB, Man Utd
- Chris Smalling, 28, CB, Man Utd
- Olivier Giroud, 32, CF, Chelsea
- Daniel Sturridge, 29, CF, Liverpool
- Felipe Luis, 33, LB, At. Madrid
- James Milner, 32, CM, Liverpool
- Brahim Diaz, 19, AM, Man City

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/endendevertraege?sort=geruechte.desc
 

CoopsieDeadpool

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Adrian Rabiot, 23, CM, PSG
- Luke Shaw, 23, LB, Man Utd
- Alphonse Areola, 25, GK, PSG
- Declan Rice, 19, CB/DM, West Ham
- Aaron Ramsey, 28, CM, Arsenal
- Hector Herrera, 28, CM, Porto
- Angel Di Maria, 30, LM, PSG
- Diego Godin, 32, CB, At. Madrid
- Andre Herrera, 29, CM, Man Utd
- Juan Mata, 30, AM, Man Utd
- Cesc Fabregas, 31, CM, Chelsea
- Yacine Brahimi, 28, LM, Porto
- David Luiz, 31, CB, Chelsea
- Phil Jones, 26, CB, Man Utd
- Chris Smalling, 28, CB, Man Utd
- Olivier Giroud, 32, CF, Chelsea
- Daniel Sturridge, 29, CF, Liverpool
- Felipe Luis, 33, LB, At. Madrid
- James Milner, 32, CM, Liverpool
- Brahim Diaz, 19, AM, Man City

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/endendevertraege?sort=geruechte.desc


No thanks, the guy's a real tit.
 

EQP

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According to Transfer Markt, the following players’ contracts are expiring in the summer (not including players whose respective clubs have an option of another year, e.g. De Gea & Martial at Man Utd):

- Adrian Rabiot, 23, CM, PSG
- Luke Shaw, 23, LB, Man Utd
- Declan Rice, 19, CB/DM, West Ham
- Hector Herrera, 28, CM, Porto
- Brahim Diaz, 19, AM, Man City

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/endendevertraege?sort=geruechte.desc

IMO those 5 players are the only ones we stand a chance of convincing to sign for us.
 

dtxspurs

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Luke Shaw please. 2 new LBs would help us tremendously. Get Luke for free and go spunk some dough on one of the highly rated ones out in Portugal.
 

am_yisrael_chai

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What about the new training ground and stadium that probably cost upwards of 1 billion?
All paid for with operating cash flow and debt. All capital assets that fatten up the club for sale.

Everyone points to the training centre. It has been up and running for several years now. Do Spurs have the best youth players ? No. Which clubs do ? Chelsea and Man City. Why ? Because even at youth level money - wages, signing on fees - talks and spending on bricks and mortar doesn’t.

I continue to be amazed at just how many fans are taken in by the ENIC con trick, spending our money on property to enable them to sell the club while spending none of our money on improving the team/squad. Lots of promises of jam tomorrow to offset the pain today when in fact the jam won’t be for us the fans it will be for them as shareholders.

Wake up Spurs fans we are being totally ripped off by ENIC and told to thank them for it. If you can’t see that after the last transfer window then I despair.

For anyone questioning how this post belongs in this thread just consider whether anyone seriously thinks ENIC will release any funds for transfers in January.
 

CoopsieDeadpool

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Rabiot, Shaw and rice I would take. Don't know enough about Diaz and would only take Herrera if we didn't have any better options, which I would hope we do.


Thanks for that.

I believe we've been (loosely) linked with Rice recently. Think I saw it on BBC gossip or something. Like Rabiot, I've never seen much of the lad but he's extremely highly rated. Is there a reason he's not been given/signed a new contract, though?

I'd take Shawn without hesitation.
 

shelfboy68

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All paid for with operating cash flow and debt. All capital assets that fatten up the club for sale.

Everyone points to the training centre. It has been up and running for several years now. Do Spurs have the best youth players ? No. Which clubs do ? Chelsea and Man City. Why ? Because even at youth level money - wages, signing on fees - talks and spending on bricks and mortar doesn’t.

I continue to be amazed at just how many fans are taken in by the ENIC con trick, spending our money on property to enable them to sell the club while spending none of our money on improving the team/squad. Lots of promises of jam tomorrow to offset the pain today when in fact the jam won’t be for us the fans it will be for them as shareholders.

Wake up Spurs fans we are being totally ripped off by ENIC and told to thank them for it. If you can’t see that after the last transfer window then I despair.

For anyone questioning how this post belongs in this thread just consider whether anyone seriously thinks ENIC will release any funds for transfers in January.
I don't think ENIC have conned us as everyone knows what they stand for which is an investment company and there aim then as is now is to maximise as much profit as possible then sell on for top dollar nothing wrong in that.
What they have done is make us self sufficient and reasonably competitive for over a decade now all under a tight budget, but what they haven't managed to achieve is success on the pitch in the form of trophies apart from one league cup win which is not a great return.
I don't see how much further they can take us on their business model although the new stadium will give the club greater match day revenue, but that is not enough to worry the big clubs too much as they have more turnover already so unless they sell up there is not much more we can expect in all honesty.
 

dondo

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All paid for with operating cash flow and debt. All capital assets that fatten up the club for sale.

Everyone points to the training centre. It has been up and running for several years now. Do Spurs have the best youth players ? No. Which clubs do ? Chelsea and Man City. Why ? Because even at youth level money - wages, signing on fees - talks and spending on bricks and mortar doesn’t.

I continue to be amazed at just how many fans are taken in by the ENIC con trick, spending our money on property to enable them to sell the club while spending none of our money on improving the team/squad. Lots of promises of jam tomorrow to offset the pain today when in fact the jam won’t be for us the fans it will be for them as shareholders.

Wake up Spurs fans we are being totally ripped off by ENIC and told to thank them for it. If you can’t see that after the last transfer window then I despair.

For anyone questioning how this post belongs in this thread just consider whether anyone seriously thinks ENIC will release any funds for transfers in January.

ENICs debt and cash flow, it’s still their money however you want to say it.
I agree that they are fattening us up for a sale but to the right person I’m all up for that.
 

coys200

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According to Transfer Markt, the following players’ contracts are expiring in the summer (not including players whose respective clubs have an option of another year, e.g. De Gea & Martial at Man Utd):

- Adrian Rabiot, 23, CM, PSG
- Luke Shaw, 23, LB, Man Utd
- Alphonse Areola, 25, GK, PSG
- Declan Rice, 19, CB/DM, West Ham
- Aaron Ramsey, 28, CM, Arsenal
- Hector Herrera, 28, CM, Porto
- Angel Di Maria, 30, LM, PSG
- Diego Godin, 32, CB, At. Madrid
- Andre Herrera, 29, CM, Man Utd
- Juan Mata, 30, AM, Man Utd
- Cesc Fabregas, 31, CM, Chelsea
- Yacine Brahimi, 28, LM, Porto
- David Luiz, 31, CB, Chelsea
- Phil Jones, 26, CB, Man Utd
- Chris Smalling, 28, CB, Man Utd
- Olivier Giroud, 32, CF, Chelsea
- Daniel Sturridge, 29, CF, Liverpool
- Felipe Luis, 33, LB, At. Madrid
- James Milner, 32, CM, Liverpool
- Brahim Diaz, 19, AM, Man City

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/endendevertraege?sort=geruechte.desc


United have 11 out of contract in summer. Pretty mad even if lots are shit.
 

hakano

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All paid for with operating cash flow and debt. All capital assets that fatten up the club for sale.

Everyone points to the training centre. It has been up and running for several years now. Do Spurs have the best youth players ? No. Which clubs do ? Chelsea and Man City. Why ? Because even at youth level money - wages, signing on fees - talks and spending on bricks and mortar doesn’t.

I continue to be amazed at just how many fans are taken in by the ENIC con trick, spending our money on property to enable them to sell the club while spending none of our money on improving the team/squad. Lots of promises of jam tomorrow to offset the pain today when in fact the jam won’t be for us the fans it will be for them as shareholders.

Wake up Spurs fans we are being totally ripped off by ENIC and told to thank them for it. If you can’t see that after the last transfer window then I despair.

For anyone questioning how this post belongs in this thread just consider whether anyone seriously thinks ENIC will release any funds for transfers in January.

Well said, clear as daylight but what makes me laugh is that the BSoDL make out he has spent his own money on the stadium and are clinging on to that.

His true motives were shown when he completely shafted the fans with his ticket pricing (the most expensive ST’s in the world) - yes sold out now but once the novelty factor is over they will struggle to sell unless team is hugely successful. But hey it will be someone else’s problem soon enough....
 
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spursfan77

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According to Transfer Markt, the following players’ contracts are expiring in the summer (not including players whose respective clubs have an option of another year, e.g. De Gea & Martial at Man Utd):

- Adrian Rabiot, 23, CM, PSG
- Luke Shaw, 23, LB, Man Utd
- Alphonse Areola, 25, GK, PSG
- Declan Rice, 19, CB/DM, West Ham
- Aaron Ramsey, 28, CM, Arsenal
- Hector Herrera, 28, CM, Porto
- Angel Di Maria, 30, LM, PSG
- Diego Godin, 32, CB, At. Madrid
- Andre Herrera, 29, CM, Man Utd
- Juan Mata, 30, AM, Man Utd
- Cesc Fabregas, 31, CM, Chelsea
- Yacine Brahimi, 28, LM, Porto
- David Luiz, 31, CB, Chelsea
- Phil Jones, 26, CB, Man Utd
- Chris Smalling, 28, CB, Man Utd
- Olivier Giroud, 32, CF, Chelsea
- Daniel Sturridge, 29, CF, Liverpool
- Felipe Luis, 33, LB, At. Madrid
- James Milner, 32, CM, Liverpool
- Brahim Diaz, 19, AM, Man City

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/endendevertraege?sort=geruechte.desc

I've heard Pleat mention him before as a player he likes. One to keep an eye on us going for I reckon.
 

EQP

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Would you take any/all of them?

Yes!

Rabiot would be the dream signing for CM, but if he's too expensive, I'd like us to look at Hector Herrera instead. Shaw has been playing well as of late and would definitely jump at the opportunity to work with Poch again. Rice and Diaz would be young prospects that I feel Poch would improve. Rice is a solid CB who can feature at DM while Diaz is a versatile attacking mid who would fit well with our current AM's.
 
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