Winter Transfer Wishlist

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De Ligt looked the real deal again last night, is the general consensus that that ship has sailed for us now?

Would love us to be balls out in January for him and a CM (Ndomvele or SMS ideally), to give us a little more depth for a tilt at the PL and in Europe. But realistically I think we may end up with a couple of loans in at best.

 

[coy-spurs1882]

De Ligt looked the real deal again last night, is the general consensus that that ship has sailed for us now?

Would love us to be balls out in January for him and a CM (Ndomvele or SMS ideally), to give us a little more depth for a tilt at the PL and in Europe. But realistically I think we may end up with a couple of loans in at best.

MDL & FDJ would be ideal signings for us (MDL as replacement of toby and successor of verts, FDJ as replacement of dembele)

therefore it won't happen

 

[Haddock]

De Ligt looked the real deal again last night, is the general consensus that that ship has sailed for us now?

Would love us to be balls out in January for him and a CM (Ndomvele or SMS ideally), to give us a little more depth for a tilt at the PL and in Europe. But realistically I think we may end up with a couple of loans in at best.

Unfortunately I believe he'll end up at City. I feel like we should be looking at City's second tier players like Gündogan, Laporte and so forth. City will need to off-load a couple of players in the summer. It might not be as exciting as signing up-and-coming talents but they are quality players and we might get them at a discard price.

 

[Spurrific]

And yet City are after De Jong.

They aren't after Winks.

Go figure.

No offence, pal - but this is an utterly stupid thing to say, especially with the go figure at the end. Ajax are obviously easier to deal with than we are, plus Winks is a homegrown, academy-graduate - no English club would even contemplate being after him.

 

[coy-spurs1882]

Unfortunately I believe he'll end up at City. I feel like we should be looking at City's second tier players like Gündogan, Laporte and so forth. City will need to off-load a couple of players in the summer. It might not be as exciting as signing up-and-coming talents but they are quality players and we might get them at a discard price.

considering the sancho saga i don't think they will sell us any decent players

 

['O Zio]

I repeat he passed a medical at Chelsea or are our medical team so good they can just look at a guy and tell the extent of his injuries

You're talking about different times. When we were in for him he hadn't yet returned from his injury and Everton wanted some ridiculous money for him. I stand by the decision because, at the time, it was the right one. Like I said before, they fact that he's against the odds turned out to be good for Chelsea doesn't mean we made the wrong call based on the situation at the time. You can't judge the decision from the perspective of hindsight like that.

 

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Unfortunately I believe he'll end up at City. I feel like we should be looking at City's second tier players like Gündogan, Laporte and so forth. City will need to off-load a couple of players in the summer. It might not be as exciting as signing up-and-coming talents but they are quality players and we might get them at a discard price.

City or Barca I think.

Agree re city’s cast offs, just don’t think they’ll sell to us. Pep knows with a couple of ‘right’ players we’ll be their main threat.

 

[spursfan77]

Arsenal linked with Fornals today as he has a lowish release clause. I’ve seen him a couple of times and he looks a good option for us. Will be annoying if they were to get him on the cheap.

 

[spurs9]

And yet City are after De Jong.

They aren't after Winks.

Go figure.

What your point? Are you saying that despite the stats showing contrary, de jong makes a higher % of forward passes and longer range passes because Man City want him and not Winks?

 

[daryl hannah]

No offence, pal - but this is an utterly stupid thing to say, especially with the go figure at the end. Ajax are obviously easier to deal with than we are, plus Winks is a homegrown, academy-graduate - no English club would even contemplate being after him.

Yes, you've missed the sarcastic tone of my post.

De Jong is internationally considered to be one of if not the hottest CM/DM prospect in world football.

Winks is considered to be the most recent hottest prospect to have emerged within our club.

There's a big difference.

If you're saying City would undoubtedly be after Winks if there were no barriers to securing him i.e., their no.1 target for that position on the pitch, I think you might be slightly over-estimating Winks.

I love Winks.

 

[dontcallme]

De Ligt looked the real deal again last night, is the general consensus that that ship has sailed for us now?

Would love us to be balls out in January for him and a CM (Ndomvele or SMS ideally), to give us a little more depth for a tilt at the PL and in Europe. But realistically I think we may end up with a couple of loans in at best.

I don’t think the ship was ever within our grasp.

Ajax have potentially the best centre back in the world and when he leaves will go to an elite club for an extortionate fee.

The idea that they didn’t know his potential and would have sold for cheaper a year earlier is just a fan fantasy.

 

[nickspurs]

I must of said this about 5 times on SC. The whole agent fee rubbish that we won’t pay them is utter drivel. We used to be one of the highest payers of agents fees 4/5 years ago for a good couple of seasons.

It’s a weird narrative spun by people that’s conpletely untrue. We will pay the agents fees if we need to as history has shown us.

I’d be interested to know what your very strong opinion is based on. It’s widely understood that agent fees have increased beyond all recognition in the last 2-3 years. Whatever rates we paid 5 years ago are irrelevant today I would have thought. Not saying we won’t pay fees, just not the stratospheric rates being asked today. It’s often a case of paying more that one agent too which is another depressing development.

 

[dontcallme]

I’d be interested to know what your very strong opinion is based on. It’s widely understood that agent fees have increased beyond all recognition in the last 2-3 years. Whatever rates we paid 5 years ago are irrelevant today I would have thought. Not saying we won’t pay fees, just not the stratospheric rates being asked today. It’s often a case of paying more that one agent too which is another depressing development.

It’s an interesting point. Historically we have paid agent fees so the idea that we categorically don’t is pure nonsense.

But in the last 2 years agent and transfer fees have risen hugely. At this stage we haven’t adjusted and look for value in a world where it doesn’t exist.

Some Championship clubs are paying over £10m for players now so the idea that we can get the top young talent from there for peanuts is old news.

 

[vegassd]

Time will tell mate, better than any of our other signings.
Tell me who you would sign then?
Easy to laugh, much harder to offer a better solution
I'm looking forward to your answer and don't forget to bare in mind our homegrown issues

On a quick note about Barkley, I wanted us to sign him at the time (even though he was injured) but can totally see why we decided to wait. You will get a lot of disagree ratings if you make statements like "Another fuckin bad judgement call by our scouting team" whilst quoting incorrect info about the fee and his first team impact for Chelsea. Like you said yourself, time will tell, but it's far too early to think our scouting team or whoever has made a bad call.

Interestingly enough, the signing of Barkley has potentially blocked the path of the player I would much prefer to have which is Loftus-Cheek. I would rate him as a fantastic Dembele-style player, perhaps with a weaker tackle but greater goal threat. Unfortunately I can't imagine Chelsea wanting to sell him, particularly to a league rival, but that just shows their attitude to the stockpiling of players.

The HG factor has a lesser impact than many believe because it works in the opposite way to how many people think it works. As far as I understand it, you don't need to have a certain number of HG players, you just have a limit on the number of non-HG players. If we have 17 foreigners and only 7 HG players it simply means our squad is 24 rather than the league limit of 25. This is actually the squad complexion we have registered for the current PL season.

Even if the non-HG cap comes down, we have 4 non-HG players we could easily do without so our worst case scenario is much rosier than many other clubs. It's worth remembering that most of the rich clubs have starting XIs without many HG players. A quick look at Chelsea's registered HG roster for example shows Barkley, Cahill, Christensen (oops), Drinkwater, Fabregas, Rob Green, Loftus-Cheek, Moses and Piazon. That's hardly top four material and nowhere near the quality of our own HG players.

So I don't think that HG is an immediate concern for the January window.

 

[spurs9]

I must of said this about 5 times on SC. The whole agent fee rubbish that we won’t pay them is utter drivel. We used to be one of the highest payers of agents fees 4/5 years ago for a good couple of seasons.

It’s a weird narrative spun by people that’s conpletely untrue. We will pay the agents fees if we need to as history has shown us.

It's not true anymore though, last season 11 teams paid higher agent fees than us, the season before 8 teams did, 6 the year before that.

Last season, Liverpool paid 26m in agent fees, Chelsea 25m and Man City 23m............ we paid 7m.

 

[nickspurs]

It’s an interesting point. Historically we have paid agent fees so the idea that we categorically don’t is pure nonsense.

But in the last 2 years agent and transfer fees have risen hugely. At this stage we haven’t adjusted and look for value in a world where it doesn’t exist.

Some Championship clubs are paying over £10m for players now so the idea that we can get the top young talent from there for peanuts is old news.

I think that’s right. I said something similar a few pages back. We have to readjust our principles and parameters.

It’s just utterly shameful how much money leaks away from football to the leeches who deliver so little value for their fees.

 

[LeParisien]

I think we have done a great job with our central defenders. We have two experienced players who are as good as anything in the league and probably the two best young CDs. We’ve nailed it.

Suggesting de Ligt now is football manager stuff because there’s an opportunity cost to spending that huge chunk of cash, and that’s the money that could be spent elsewhere on the team.

Our next area to focus on needs to be CM and then the fullbacks. I think we need to be spending big money on a CM who is either on the cusp of being top class or who is a bit further away but with world class potential. Same at fb. That’s probably £80/90m of investment required in the next year.

 

[daryl hannah]

Berge looks like a more competent Dier.

 

[coys200]

And yet City are after De Jong.

They aren't after Winks.

Go figure.

If Winks was at a lesser European club he would be on every top European clubs radar including Barcelona. Where you could probably get him for £40m. To get him away from us you’d be talking £70-80m. And I’m pretty sure pochettino would never sanction his sale at any price plus winks would never want to leave anyway.

 

[daryl hannah]

If Winks was at a lesser European club he would be on every top European clubs radar including Barcelona. Where you could probably get him for £40m. To get him away from us you’d be talking £70-80m. And I’m pretty sure pochettino would never sanction his sale at any price plus winks would never want to leave anyway.

This is delusional.

And I love Winks.