Women's Football - Wage Disparity Debate

[Gassin's finest]

Progressive thread by the way.

 

[Marty]

lol

He did write supposed

 

[LeSoupeKitchen]

It drives me crazy that sport is always at the sharp end of the equal pay arguement.

Sport is literally the only profession where there is an arguement for men being paid differently to women.

Always using sport as the case study masks the huge injustices in normal work places were women are being paid differently to men when doing exactly the same job to the exact same standards.

 

[Lilbaz]

It drives me crazy that sport is always at the sharp end of the equal pay arguement.

Sport is literally the only profession where there is an arguement for men being paid differently to women.

Always using sport as the case study masks the huge injustices in normal work places were women are being paid differently to men when doing exactly the same job to the exact same standards.

It is illegal in this country to pay people differntly for doing the same job to the same standard based on race or sex. It has been for decades.

 

[LeSoupeKitchen]

It is illegal in this country to pay people differntly for doing the same job to the same standard based on race or sex. It has been for decades.

But is very common. For the record I don't think it's a concious decision to pay women less for doing the same job - it is just a product of the way salaries are negotiated when going for a job.

 

[Lilbaz]

But is very common. For the record I don't think it's a concious decision to pay women less for doing the same job - it is just a product of the way salaries are negotiated when going for a job.

Very possible. But a lot is that men and women usually do different jobs. If you take a supermarket for instance, warehouse workers get paid more than the people that work on the tills. But more men work in the warehouse and more women work on the tills. Which means that men in supermarkets are usually better paid than females.
Also career breaks to have children affect women far more than men.

Work still needs to be done though that is certain.

 

[LeSoupeKitchen]

Very possible. But a lot is that men and women usually do different jobs. If you take a supermarket for instance, warehouse workers get paid more than the people that work on the tills. But more men work in the warehouse and more women work on the tills. Which means that men in supermarkets are usually better paid than females.
Also career breaks to have children affect women far more than men.

Work still needs to be done though that is certain.

You're talking about the gender pay gap here which is totally understandable in some cases and is a different issue to equal pay.

The way the gender pay gap is misreported as meaning men and women not being paid the same for the same job annoys me too!

 

[BehindEnemyLines]

As far as I'm aware, it's the Fifa World Cup and there is no mention of it being men only. Is there anything to prevent women from playing in the Premier league or national team if good enough?
I have to say, what I've seen of women referees and linesmen has been mostly positive.

 

[Krule]

These girls deserve to be paid more...

 

[tiger666]

But is very common. For the record I don't think it's a concious decision to pay women less for doing the same job - it is just a product of the way salaries are negotiated when going for a job.

Then that's illegal and these women should be taking their employers to court. If companies can get away with paying women less for doing the same job, why aren't they all employing women?

 

[LeSoupeKitchen]

Then that's illegal and these women should be taking their employers to court. If companies can get away with paying women less for doing the same job, why aren't they all employing women?

It's not just women. Maybe it's just my experience but the salary structure of the companies I've worked for have been very vague and you don't know what other people earn. There have been no ball park salary listed with the jobs Ive gone for - it's all on negotiation which leads to a massive disparity in pay based on the person's negotiaging skills and how desperate they are for the job.

In my opinion women have been socialised to have less confidence in negotiating and demanding a better salary hence the lack of equal pay.

 

[nailsy]

Taken from the link you used:

"Ed Desser, a sports television consultant and former N.B.A. executive, described several factors leading to a “perfect storm” of viewership on Sunday night: a time of year with light sports competition, a strong American team to root for, a rematch of the 2011 Women’s World Cup finalists, and weeks of buildup for the American team on both Fox and Fox Sports 1."
In other words, had the USA not been in it, the viewing figures would have been much much lower.

The men's WC final draws in massive figures regardless of who is in it.

You then slightly skew the claim about the comparison to the World Series.
The 26.7 million viewers for the WC final was English & Spanish speaking, whereas the article states the figure for the World Series as only being the English speaking viewers, so it's not a like for like comparison.

You also failed to add the bit that the NCAA Men's Basketball final for that year had a higher audience.

That being said... In the US, women's football is definitely a growing sport of choice for girls. It does pull in an audience over there, whereas across the rest of the world it doesn't.

The fact the USA were in it was the whole point. They attracted that massive audience. It's the US women's team who are looking for equal pay.

You're giving me far too much credit there anyway. It was just a quick post trying to show that the USA women's team can attract large audiences. There were almost as many people in the us watching the women's final as there were in the UK watching our men's semifinal against Croatia. It's a bigger country, but it's still impressive.

 

[Lilbaz]

The fact the USA were in it was the whole point. They attracted that massive audience. It's the US women's team who are looking for equal pay.

You're giving me far too much credit there anyway. It was just a quick post trying to show that the USA women's team can attract large audiences. There were almost as many people in the us watching the women's final as there were in the UK watching our men's semifinal against Croatia. It's a bigger country, but it's still impressive.

It doesn't really matter how big the audience was. It's about how much fifa got from selling the tv rights and sponsorship that will determine how much each team gets.

 

[tiger666]

These girls deserve to be paid more...

What am I missing here?

 

[nailsy]

It doesn't really matter how big the audience was. It's about how much fifa got from selling the tv rights and sponsorship that will determine how much each team gets.

I think there's two different things being discussed on here. The article on the original post was talking about prize money, but then the post and title talk about equal pay. For the most part I've just been saying that the women should get the same basic appearance fee as the men's team.

 

[Lilbaz]

I think there's two different things being discussed on here. The article on the original post was talking about prize money, but then the post and title talk about equal pay. For the most part I've just been saying that the women should get the same basic appearance fee as the men's team.

I think neither should get paid to represent their country. It should be a privilege.

Up to them though.

 

[nailsy]

What am I missing here?

That most people would be surprised that a girls team could beat all of the boys teams?

 

[buckley]

Some of these women need to be careful because if any women attempts to insist on equal pay then thats fine if they are trying to get equal pay with men just say in the conference or national league then they may have a chance to get it .
If they get silly and start asking for equal pay with men at the top of the profession they will most likely find that the clubs will drop women football like a hot brick.
A comparison with men and women tennis cannot be drawn to my eyes as men play over five sets and women over three sets and that is in fact discrimination against men as they get the same pay as men for less work.
If was running a pro club and the women who in the main contribute little to the overall cost of running the club were to insist on equal pay then I would have to insist they ply there trade somewhere else and not use my clubs name for promoting themselves.
Where there could be a problem is clubs like Man City ; PSG ; Chelsea and now possibly Newcastle have owners that do not have to balance books as they have money to burn and would possibly pay these relatively unknown women vast somes of money because they can and because they would see it as a way of making things awkward for the other fiscally aware premiorship clubs .and because the owners of these uber rich clubs care little for the good of football they just want to win the League cup ; the fa cup ; the league ; the European cups the grand national the derby they just want to win at any cost

 

[tiger666]

That most people would be surprised that a girls team could beat all of the boys teams?

Well it's the girls u12 from the biggest club in the world with all the resources and coaches at their disposal playing against local kids amateur sides. If they could play anywhere near the level of the barca boys u12 team i'd be impressed. It's like me playing serena williams at tennis, of course she'd destroy me.

 

[nailsy]

Well it's the girls u12 from the biggest club in the world with all the resources and coaches at their disposal playing against local kids amateur sides. If they could play anywhere near the level of the barca boys u12 team i'd be impressed. It's like me playing serena williams at tennis, of course she'd destroy me.

I agree.