World Cup Discussion Thread - Day 5 (18 June)

[FibreOpticJesus]

Trippier was excellent, but Walker should be wingback really, his pace and strength would terrify most other full backs.

Except he cannot cross and has not got a football brain...or even a brain. If he had no pace he would still be in Sheffield.

 

[Coyboy]

I genuinely can’t get on board with Henderson. He plays a few good first time balls but generally throughout the game he is poor and just plays the ball sideways and backwards. Added to that he isn’t great defensively, in fact worse than Dier so I’m not sure if he is ‘net’ better than him. They’re both pretty flawed as midfielders go.

I like the look of RLC and wonder if we could have a mid of him, Dele and Lingard/Rashford against Panama and then RLC/Dier and one of those three against good teams.

 

[diamondlight]

That was basically Palace away with the last min H header.

Loftus Cheek looks a player - only Chelsea wouldn’t play such a home grown talent at all

Dele and Sterling will need to pick up their game

Henderson did OK but I'd drop him for RLC.

 

[tiger666]

I genuinely can’t get on board with Henderson. He plays a few good first time balls but generally throughout the game he is poor and just plays the ball sideways and backwards. Added to that he isn’t great defensively, in fact worse than Dier so I’m not sure if he is ‘net’ better than him. They’re both pretty flawed as midfielders go.

I like the look of RLC and wonder if we could have a mid of him, Dele and Lingard/Rashford against Panama and then RLC/Dier and one of those three against good teams.

Imo we should always have an anchor shielding the defence and recycling possession. It's Dier or Henderson for me. Personally I'd play Henderson again next game.

 

[nailsy]

Stupid Tosser. Leaving the ball wasn’t the problem, swinging your arm into their blokes head was.

Yep. The leave it call was a good one because if he'd tried to control it the opposition player would have been on him for a tackle and chance of a shot.

 

[alfie103]

Is it me or is Sterling actually pretty poor technically?

 

[mightyspur]

Is it me or is Sterling actually pretty poor technically?

Dunno mate, never seen you play

 

[alfie103]

Dunno mate, never seen you play

I am a goalkeeper for a reason....

 

[Dillspur]

Next game, Rose for Young, Vardy for Sterling, Rashford for Lingard. Those 3 were very poor tonight.

 

[hughy]

Rose for Young and RLC for Lingard are the only changes I'd make against Panama. Push Dele forward so he can link up with Kane.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I genuinely can’t get on board with Henderson. He plays a few good first time balls but generally throughout the game he is poor and just plays the ball sideways and backwards. Added to that he isn’t great defensively, in fact worse than Dier so I’m not sure if he is ‘net’ better than him. They’re both pretty flawed as midfielders go.

I like the look of RLC and wonder if we could have a mid of him, Dele and Lingard/Rashford against Panama and then RLC/Dier and one of those three against good teams.

He's not worse defensively. He's more mobile, more dynamic, and he can press opponents, something Dier can't do because he's so slow on the turn. And it's not like Dier's passing has any tempo, zip or incision. And as we saw tonight, Henderson can ping the long balls just as well as Dier, maybe better.

I don't love either, but Henderson's got more about him than Dier.

 

[punkisback]

Actually saw him out today on the south bank! Brave man to be out watching the England game.

 

[slartibartfast]

In the second half Walker forgot that he’s playing as CB when he went rushing up the wing. Tripps sprinted back to cover the gap.


He is NOT a centre back.

Its an age old England problem, going to a major tournament thinking you can play players out of position and they're gonna do a good job or better than someone who plays there twice every fkin week. Daft.

 

[slartibartfast]

He's not worse defensively. He's more mobile, more dynamic, and he can press opponents, something Dier can't do because he's so slow on the turn. And it's not like Dier's passing has any tempo, zip or incision. And as we saw tonight, Henderson can ping the long balls just as well as Dier, maybe better.

I don't love either, but Henderson's got more about him than Dier.

I'd play Hendrson over Dier based purely on the basis I think he's less likely to have a suicidal brainfart than Dier.
Dier does love threading opposition players through with a defence splitting back pass.

 

[Coyboy]

He's not worse defensively. He's more mobile, more dynamic, and he can press opponents, something Dier can't do because he's so slow on the turn. And it's not like Dier's passing has any tempo, zip or incision. And as we saw tonight, Henderson can ping the long balls just as well as Dier, maybe better.

I don't love either, but Henderson's got more about him than Dier.

I agree he has better passing range but I don’t agree he’s better defensively. It won’t get shown against teams like Tunisia but I don’t think he protects defenses better. Dier belongs at centre back I think and both are dispensable in favour of RLC possibly.

 

[Shadydan]

Its an age old England problem, going to a major tournament thinking you can play players out of position and they're gonna do a good job or better than someone who plays there twice every fkin week. Daft.

Agree but I can certainly see logic in it, he's quick so can cover in behind, Southgate can't really be accused of putting square pegs in round holes at least he's given England more of a balanced side.

 

[lukadownthelane]

We need Dier against better teams but Henderson did ok today

 

[slartibartfast]

Agree but I can certainly see logic in it, he's quick so can cover in behind, Southgate can't really be accused of putting square pegs in round holes at least he's given England more of a balanced side.

Agree its far better than normal but as Ferdinand said, he was facing the wrong way and thats criminal. But if you never ever play there then that sort of shit is gonna happen.

 

[lukadownthelane]

I’d take Loftus-Cheek cheek I think. Not that we’d get him from Chelsea

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I agree he has better passing range but I don’t agree he’s better defensively. It won’t get shown against teams like Tunisia but I don’t think he protects defenses better. Dier belongs at centre back I think and both are dispensable in favour of RLC possibly.

I don't think RLC is anywhere near savy enough or dynamic enough to anchor and cover for players like Alli and Lingard in that set up. Certainly not yet.