World Cup Match Thread Day 13 - Tuesday

[Spurger King]

I would take him in a heart beat. He would score bags of goals on our squad.

If only someone had been saying thsi for the last year...

 

[beats1]

Because Roy brought on Gerrard and Rooney on

That is proof that you need your experience according to Neville

RIGHT

 

[DuDe]

Because Roy brought on Gerrard and Rooney on

That is proof that you need your experience according to Neville

RIGHT

The only 'experience' we really needed was Cashley Cole at the back, if we were going to bring a mature player.

 

[Vulcan10]

Because Roy brought on Gerrard and Rooney on

That is proof that you need your experience according to Neville

RIGHT

More likely Philip it's proof that we give out token easy caps for those in the gang. Rooney maybe, but no need whatsoever for a mentally shot gerrard to come on other than to get him an extra cap to his name.

 

[Mr Pink]

The big moment for me, as far as England was concerned, is when Rooney screws that shot wide to make it 2-2 against Italy.

He scores there I think we would of taken at least a point and had a lot more confidence going into the Uruguay game - where we looked really nervy.

I know, ultimately, we wern't good enough - but the example above is one of the reasons why we wern't good enough.

 

[Mustard]

So happy for Greece.

It's the first game I've watched that the team I wanted to win won.

I can relax and enjoy this now England have finished stinking the place up.

 

[nightgoat]

Didn't know Jim Rosenthal was still broadcasting.

 

[beats1]

More likely Philip it's proof that we give out token easy caps for those in the gang. Rooney maybe, but no need whatsoever for a mentally shot gerrard to come on other than to get him an extra cap to his name.

the logic is insane, its like saying Lallana didnt play so therefore its proof, he is not good enough for england in the big teams

 

[beats1]

The big moment for me, as far as England was concerned, is when Rooney screws that shot wide to make it 2-2 against Italy.

He scores there I think we would of taken at least a point and had a lot more confidence going into the Uruguay game - where we looked really nervy.

I know, ultimately, we wern't good enough - but the example above is one of the reasons why we wern't good enough.

I cant agree there, against Uruguay, both teams looked like they didnt know what they were doing and just running around pathetically trying to do something but not sure what.

There was no shape to either team

 

[Vulcan10]

The only 'experience' we really needed was Cashley Cole at the back, if we were going to bring a mature player.

Yep and gareth Barry - an actual holding midfielder who had a good season at Everton & could have sat (not literally) on pirlo. I don't know why we adopted liverpool's approach with gerrard - he's not a DM and due to age is no longer a box to box player either. He was one of the worst players for us this tournament yet the media want him to hang around playing a role that leaves us vulnerable in midfield - why? How did his experience help us, he didn't control the midfield, made two direct errors & then said afterwards we were naive, with experience like that ....

 

[Mustard]

I still can't believe Woy used a World Cup game to give players a run out. That for me is a disgrace. The only time you rest players is when you're through.

 

[Mr Pink]

I cant agree there, against Uruguay, both teams looked like they didnt know what they were doing and just running around pathetically trying to do something but not sure what.

There was no shape to either team

That's what I'm saying though, kind of. The pressure in the second game made us even worse.

There is no doubt in my mind that losing the first game affected our performance in the second.

We wern't good enough anyway to do anything significant in this tournament but we might got out of the group had we not lost the first one - IMHO.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Not sure I get this antipathy towards the Greeks. They don't play great football but they don't have particularly good players available so they do the best when what they've got. Still a damn sight better than the English, who can learn a thing or two about passion and pride playing for their country by watching the Greeks. Besides all that, the Greeks didn't win just because of fight and organisation, they were by far the better team- for all the Ivorian stars, Greece should've been out of sight long before the undeserved equaliser. At least the Greeks give their fans something to be proud of.

 

[beats1]

That's what I'm saying though, kind of. The pressure in the second game made us even worse.

There is no doubt in my mind that losing the first game affected our performance in the second.

We wern't good enough anyway to do anything significant in this tournament but we might got out of the group had we not lost the first one - IMHO.

The thing is we weren't close to Italy all game and were frankly lucky to have that chance. They were a class above us and that is saying something considering the team Prandelli played as they just needed to get out and closed down to stop them from doing anything

Also everyone knows Balotelli is a mardy fuck but we are the only team who let things go his way.

We deserved to finish last place as we looked like we didnt have a clue and most teams played their first 11 they played in the last friendly.

Whereas we felt it needed a total reshuffle and drop Lallana.

Edit: england are lucky the rankings were used before the world cup to determine the draw but who cares since the top 3 make it to the euros now

 

[LSUY]

England's worst World Cup since 1958 and sod all will change. I know we lack the player quality that France, Germany, Holland, etc. have but our players on paper are better than those of Greece, Nigeria, Algeria & the US and yet they've had a better tournament than us. What the likes of Greece, Algeria and the US lack in technical skills they make up with pride and passion whereas our players seem to be looking forward to their holidays.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Not sure I get this antipathy towards the Greeks. They don't play great football but they don't have particularly good players available so they do the best when what they've got. Still a damn sight better than the English, who can learn a thing or two about passion and pride playing for their country by watching the Greeks. Besides all that, the Greeks didn't win just because of fight and organisation, they were by far the better team- for all the Ivorian stars, Greece should've been out of sight long before the undeserved equaliser. At least the Greeks give their fans something to be proud of.

Hmmm..

 

[THFCSPURS19]

The big moment for me, as far as England was concerned, is when Rooney screws that shot wide to make it 2-2 against Italy.

He scores there I think we would of taken at least a point and had a lot more confidence going into the Uruguay game - where we looked really nervy.

I know, ultimately, we wern't good enough - but the example above is one of the reasons why we wern't good enough.

Reminds me of the Walker backpass against Liverpool in 12/13

Or the Defoe miss against City in 11/12.

I need to stop doing this to myself. I need to let it go

 

[Mr Pink]

The thing is we weren't close to Italy all game and were frankly lucky to have that chance. They were a class above us and that is saying something considering the team Prandelli played as they just needed to get out and closed down to stop them from doing anything

Also everyone knows Balotelli is a mardy fuck but we are the only team who let things go his way.

We deserved to finish last place as we looked like we didnt have a clue and most teams played their first 11 they played in the last friendly.

Whereas we felt it needed a total reshuffle and drop Lallana.

They dominated the ball and we let them have too much space and time. We should of gone with three in midfield.

I think we were more lively in that game even though it still wasn't quite good enough.

Anyway, I'm still confident had it finished 2-2 we may of sneaked out of the group.

All in all though, we just wern't good enough and I don't think Roy gave us the best possible chance either. He's not good enough tactically. Pirlo had 77 touches in the first half...against Costa Rica he had 33, says it all really.

But big decisive moments can offset tactical shortcomings to a degree.

 

[beats1]

England's worst World Cup since 1958 and sod all will change. I know we lack the player quality that France, Germany, Holland, etc. have but our players on paper are better than those of Greece, Nigeria, Algeria & the US and yet they've had a better tournament than us. What the likes of Greece, Algeria and the US lack in technical skills they make up with pride and passion whereas our players seem to be looking forward to their holidays.

France and Netherlands don't have better quality bro

This French squad was labelled the worst french team of all time 6 months ago and the Netherlands would love our defence and wing options. They would have the intelligence to use the players properly

 

[Spurger King]

Not sure I get this antipathy towards the Greeks. They don't play great football but they don't have particularly good players available so they do the best when what they've got. Still a damn sight better than the English, who can learn a thing or two about passion and pride playing for their country by watching the Greeks. Besides all that, the Greeks didn't win just because of fight and organisation, they were by far the better team- for all the Ivorian stars, Greece should've been out of sight long before the undeserved equaliser. At least the Greeks give their fans something to be proud of.

Didn't feel the need to mention that you're part Greek then?!!