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felmani26

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Can we sign Julian Green, please?

Also no on Yedlin. Kid has gobs and gobs of potential, but we already have Walker. Dont want. yedlin having his development stunted.

Bradley is so, so, so, so, so, so, so bad.
This is Kyle Walker we are talking about, not Cafu!

Could use some healthy competition to keep him on his toes and Yedlin looks as good an understudy as any after tonight's performance.
 

0-Tibsy-0

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I have never seen such a love in from the Rest of the World towards American Foreign policy...
 

LSUY

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You have to say, give USA a generation or 2 and with their population and resources they could be a force. Actually SHOULD be a force.

Disagree. Football isn't popular enough to make the US a force in the sport. Interest flares up during the World Cup but once that's finished most Americans don't care about domestic football unless their city has an MLS franchise. By the time I get back to BR a lot of people will have given up on watching footie.

The standard of football in the US is improving but IMO in order to win a World Cup football has to be your number one sport. Traditionally a lot of the US squad tends to be sons (or grandsons) of immigrants or service personnel stationed overseas. The difference between Brazil/Germany/Argentina/Italy and the USA is the majority of boys in the US don't dream of playing football, especially in poorer areas as American football and basketball gives them a greater chance of getting them a free ride through college.
 

yankspurs

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Disagree. Football isn't popular enough to make the US a force in the sport. Interest flares up during the World Cup but once that's finished most Americans don't care about domestic football unless their city has an MLS franchise. The standard of football in the US is improving but IMO in order to win a World Cup football has to be your number one sport. Traditionally a lot of the US squad tend to be sons (or grandsons) of immigrants or service personnel stationed overseas. The difference between Brazil/Germany/Argentina/Italy and the USA is the majority of boys in the US don't dream of playing football, especially in poorer areas as American football and basketball gives them a greater chance of giving them a free ride through college.
The US program has improved signifigantly with Klinsmann. Hopefully the MLS gets its head of its ass soon and implements a pyramid system with team specific academies and uses a FIFA calander soon. US Soccer desperately needs it. But Don Garber is a fucking imbusol.
 

0-Tibsy-0

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I know given the population it isn't surprising, but there are more players registered jsut in organised Youth football in America than there are players who even just play casually in England...
 

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Disagree. Football isn't popular enough to make the US a force in the sport. Interest flares up during the World Cup but once that's finished most Americans don't care about domestic football unless their city has an MLS franchise. By the time I get back to BR a lot of people will have given up on watching footie.

The standard of football in the US is improving but IMO in order to win a World Cup football has to be your number one sport. Traditionally a lot of the US squad tends to be sons (or grandsons) of immigrants or service personnel stationed overseas. The difference between Brazil/Germany/Argentina/Italy and the USA is the majority of boys in the US don't dream of playing football, especially in poorer areas as American football and basketball gives them a greater chance of getting them a free ride through college.

With the health problem that American Football creates all over - esp. pre pro time; it's only a matter of time it's going away altogether, unless some magical protective gear comes out and save them all. I know they are big but, I keep thinking that they just might passed its prime already and the whole concept of playing American Football will come down fast in the next few years.
 

yankspurs

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Dear Diary,

Today I saw beautiful accurate crosses laid into the box and wondered why Spurs cant do that. In just 15 minutes, I saw Julian Green do more than I've ever seen from Aaron Lennon or Andros Townsend. And I also saw DeAndre Yedlin lay in beautiful cross after beautiful cross something I have never seen from Kyle Walker. Why oh why is this?

Sincerely,
yankspurs
 

LSUY

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The US program has improved signifigantly with Klinsmann. Hopefully the MLS gets its head of its ass soon and implements a pyramid system with team specific academies and uses a FIFA calander soon. US Soccer desperately needs it. But Don Garber is a fucking imbusol.

The South is virtually untouched by the MLS and soccer in general which is ridiculous given the talent down there. The SEC is the best collegiate conference, has a ton of home-grown athletes and not one university has a men's soccer team.
 

yankspurs

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The South is virtually untouched by the MLS and soccer in general which is ridiculous given the talent down there. The SEC is the best collegiate conference, has a ton of home-grown athletes and not one university has a men's soccer team.
The MLS seems to think its best to ignore them and give Florida 2 MLS teams and NY 2 MLS teams. Meanwhile they've already tried Florida before it failed. Now they give Florida 2 teams. Atlanta should have a team, IMO.
 

LSUY

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With the health problem that American Football creates all over - esp. pre pro time; it's only a matter of time it's going away altogether, unless some magical protective gear comes out and save them all. I know they are big but, I keep thinking that they just might passed its prime already and the whole concept of playing American Football will come down fast in the next few years.

Can't see the popularity of the NFL dropping within my lifetime. The concussion lawsuit pay-out (around $760m) is a drop in the ocean considering the NFL is predicting to have an annual profit of $25 billion by 2027. As long as 100m+ are tuning in to watch the Super Bowl and 100,000 people are packing out collegiate matches American football will remain the number one sport simply because that's where the money will be. Millions of kids will risk their health to play a sport like American football while $100m contracts are being offered to players.
The MLS seems to think its best to ignore them and give Florida 2 MLS teams and NY 2 MLS teams. Meanwhile they've already tried Florida before it failed. Now they give Florida 2 teams. Atlanta should have a team, IMO.

Atlanta definitely deserves a team and Florida I can understand, though it should only have one team. Miami should be a good market given its immigrant population but NY shouldn't have two teams. If they spread the franchises out and let them develop their own academies you increase the talent pool. Unfortunately the MLS is more concerned with making money than developing home-grown talent.
 

Marty

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Atlanta definitely deserves a team and Florida I can understand, though it should only have one team. Miami should be a good market given its immigrant population but NY shouldn't have two teams. If they spread the franchises out and let them develop their own academies you increase the talent pool. Unfortunately the MLS is more concerned with making money than developing home-grown talent.
Sounds familiar.
 

yankspurs

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Can't see the popularity of the NFL dropping within my lifetime. The concussion lawsuit pay-out (around $760m) is a drop in the ocean considering the NFL is predicting to have an annual profit of $25 billion by 2027. As long as 100m+ are tuning in to watch the Super Bowl and 100,000 people are packing out collegiate matches American football will remain the number one sport simply because that's where the money will be. Millions of kids will risk their health to play a sport like American football while $100m contracts are being offered to players.


Atlanta definitely deserves a team and Florida I can understand, though it should only have one team. Miami should be a good market given its immigrant population but NY shouldn't have two teams. If they spread the franchises out and let them develop their own academies you increase the talent pool. Unfortunately the MLS is more concerned with making money than developing home-grown talent.
Well, to be fair, the only true NY team will come next MLS season thanks to the sheikh
 

Hotspur_Hero

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It doesnt though because in the other american sports they go to uni and they are drafted

In football in the US if a player at a young age shows promise they wont go to college and get drafted, they will start playing for an MLS club or NASL club. Plus they don't even have an tiered system where clubs get promoted and relegated so whats the point of the NASL club

You're not quite right about the state of the game over here. First off, the MLS has academies now. They are relatively new, last five years for the oldest or so, and are just now turning out decent players. DeAndre Yedlin is the first MLS academy player to play for the nats, though I fully expect a few more to be included by the next Gold Cup. MLS in the last 7-8 years has really begun pushing youth development. They offered generation adidas contracts, where any player either joining the league before graduating college or right out of/during high school don't count against the salary cap. These have now morphed into home grown contracts, where they can sign players from their own academies without the salary hit. Traditionally most of our highest potential youth, however, move to Europe once they graduate high school and try to get on teams. That is thankfully changing with the emergence of MLS.

The MLS and its franchise system are doing more good than harm. Most the teams are competitive every year, so we don't have top teams stockpiling all the young players who never see the field. For a league that's not even been around for a quarter of a century, they get more right than wrong. The salary cap is slowly rising at a sustainable record, and new franchises are being mostly rewarded to ownership groups that have everything together. We're bringing out best players home, so fans who watch them wear the red, white, and blue can now catch them in the rave green of Seattle or blue and gold of the galaxy. While I don't agree with everything Don Garber has done (especially the insistence upon NY and LA having two teams), he's gotten more right than wrong.

A relegation/promotion system has absolutely nothing to do with player development. Relegation is a foreign concept to any one who doesn't grow up watching soccer, and it will never fly in our league. A European style league doesn't suit our country. The NASL and USL are our minor leagues. They exist so small town markets can still enjoy professional soccer in person. Recently these teams that show they can bring in large steady crowds and put out a decent product on the field have been rewarded with MLS franchises, as long as the ownership group is there. These divisions have minimal impact on the development of our better or high potential players. Only in the last two, maybe three, seasons of MLS have loans between the division started happening. A lot of our better college players play in these divisions during the summer, but that's about it.

Soccer is growing at the grass level over here. Soccer is the number one sport played at the youth level and the second best attended professional sport, after the NFL obviously. Every world cup where we perform above expectations, people start paying attention, most importantly kids start playing and loving the game. Our best athletes are always going to pick football and basketball, but I don't think that's a problem. Lack of athletes was clearly not our problem, nor has it ever been out problem, at this world cup. We lack technical ability, which is slowly being changed. For the past decade, the 4-4-2 and english hoofball was all that was taught at the youth level, mostly by dad's that never played the game. Now, our top academies are bringing in coaches from south america and continental europe, and the technical ability of this team will skyrocket within two decades.

Sorry for the rant, and this is mostly not aimed at you, but instead all the people in this thread who don't quite understand soccer in America. This is always the hot topic after any major tournament we play, so just had to put my two cents in.
 

yankspurs

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You're not quite right about the state of the game over here. First off, the MLS has academies now. They are relatively new, last five years for the oldest or so, and are just now turning out decent players. DeAndre Yedlin is the first MLS academy player to play for the nats, though I fully expect a few more to be included by the next Gold Cup. MLS in the last 7-8 years has really begun pushing youth development. They offered generation adidas contracts, where any player either joining the league before graduating college or right out of/during high school don't count against the salary cap. These have now morphed into home grown contracts, where they can sign players from their own academies without the salary hit. Traditionally most of our highest potential youth, however, move to Europe once they graduate high school and try to get on teams. That is thankfully changing with the emergence of MLS.

The MLS and its franchise system are doing more good than harm. Most the teams are competitive every year, so we don't have top teams stockpiling all the young players who never see the field. For a league that's not even been around for a quarter of a century, they get more right than wrong. The salary cap is slowly rising at a sustainable record, and new franchises are being mostly rewarded to ownership groups that have everything together. We're bringing out best players home, so fans who watch them wear the red, white, and blue can now catch them in the rave green of Seattle or blue and gold of the galaxy. While I don't agree with everything Don Garber has done (especially the insistence upon NY and LA having two teams), he's gotten more right than wrong.

A relegation/promotion system has absolutely nothing to do with player development. Relegation is a foreign concept to any one who doesn't grow up watching soccer, and it will never fly in our league. A European style league doesn't suit our country. The NASL and USL are our minor leagues. They exist so small town markets can still enjoy professional soccer in person. Recently these teams that show they can bring in large steady crowds and put out a decent product on the field have been rewarded with MLS franchises, as long as the ownership group is there. These divisions have minimal impact on the development of our better or high potential players. Only in the last two, maybe three, seasons of MLS have loans between the division started happening. A lot of our better college players play in these divisions during the summer, but that's about it.

Soccer is growing at the grass level over here. Soccer is the number one sport played at the youth level and the second best attended professional sport, after the NFL obviously. Every world cup where we perform above expectations, people start paying attention, most importantly kids start playing and loving the game. Our best athletes are always going to pick football and basketball, but I don't think that's a problem. Lack of athletes was clearly not our problem, nor has it ever been out problem, at this world cup. We lack technical ability, which is slowly being changed. For the past decade, the 4-4-2 and english hoofball was all that was taught at the youth level, mostly by dad's that never played the game. Now, our top academies are bringing in coaches from south america and continental europe, and the technical ability of this team will skyrocket within two decades.

Sorry for the rant, and this is mostly not aimed at you, but instead all the people in this thread who don't quite understand soccer in America. This is always the hot topic after any major tournament we play, so just had to put my two cents in.
If I am not mistaken, Yedlin was drafted though. So him going to their a academy means nothing if he went into the draft.
 

Hotspur_Hero

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Can't see the popularity of the NFL dropping within my lifetime. The concussion lawsuit pay-out (around $760m) is a drop in the ocean considering the NFL is predicting to have an annual profit of $25 billion by 2027. As long as 100m+ are tuning in to watch the Super Bowl and 100,000 people are packing out collegiate matches American football will remain the number one sport simply because that's where the money will be. Millions of kids will risk their health to play a sport like American football while $100m contracts are being offered to players.


Atlanta definitely deserves a team and Florida I can understand, though it should only have one team. Miami should be a good market given its immigrant population but NY shouldn't have two teams. If they spread the franchises out and let them develop their own academies you increase the talent pool. Unfortunately the MLS is more concerned with making money than developing home-grown talent.

Orlando deserves our team. We set the minor league sports attendance record last season and are undefeated so far this season. We support our team much more than Miami or for that matter Tampa ever did or will. And we've just signed Kaka. I don't really think Miami will happen. Beckham can't get the waterfront property he wants and the city is reticent to make nice stadium deals after the Marlins fiasco. Atlanta might be ok, but I think they should have promoted them under the silverback name instead of creating a new team. The only expansion mistakes that have been made are Evil Empire FC (aka NY2) and Chivas. No city needs two teams right now.
 

Hotspur_Hero

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If I am not mistaken, Yedlin was drafted though. So him going to their a academy means nothing if he went into the draft.
No he wasn't drafted. He went through their academy and then played two years at Akron, while playing for the sounders development squad in the summers. Then they signed him to a homegrown contract. You don't have to draft homegrown players, which was the big deal with harrison Shipp earlier this season.
 

yankspurs

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No he wasn't drafted. He went through their academy and then played two years at Akron, while playing for the sounders development squad in the summers. Then they signed him to a homegrown contract. You don't have to draft homegrown players, which was the big deal with harrison Shipp earlier this season.
He was allowed to play college while playing development? Seems a bit odd.

Im not too big into MLS so I cant really comment on the rules. But in all honesty, there are now like 20 teams? End expansion. Work on NASL and USPL to the point where a promotion/relegation pyramid would work.
 
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