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Would 4-3-3 work?

Bing

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------------Friedel-------------

Corluka----Gallas--Dawson---Bale


-----Sandro---Modric--Parker---


------Ade------VDV----Defoe----


Obviously with VDV and Modric been given free roles, Sandro and Parker lying deep and two attacking fullbacks.

Just throwing it out there...could work against weaker teams or would it leave us too exposed down the wings?
 

pablo73

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not with HR in charge - the only change will be we now 'hit Manu' rather than Crouchie
 

Spurs1960

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No Ade doesn't have the pace and mobility for a 3 man forward line, Defoe is not a good enough finisher, nor is Lennon and VDV doesn't have the pace to play the system either.

it wouldn't work with our players and would be a huge tactical mistake, 4-4-2 got us to the Champions league and we had a bloody good season with 4-4-1-1, no need to change.
 

Harry_Snatch

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A narrow diamond ( 4-1-2-1-2 ) like AC Milan play is our best formation with the personel we have.

Seedorf has proved you don't need pace to play at the top of a diamond s VDV would be devestating there and Kranjcar or Pienaar could do a great job as well.

Hudd or Sandro at the bottom of the Diamond and Parker and Modric as the iron fist in the silk glove.

Bale and Walker with loads of space to get forward with a narrow midfield in front covering them when they go.

Adebayor and Defoe causing havoc supplied by a very creative midfield. VDV would still get 15-20 behind a front 2 as well but probably 20 odd assists as well.

Gomes


Walker Dawson Gallas Bale

Hudd/Sandro

Parker Modric

VDV/Kranjcar

adebayor Defoe



Lethal.
 

spursintheblood

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4-2-3-1 for me.

Front 6 of...

Parker Sandro

van der Vaart Modric Bale

Adebayor


This is what I imagined. BAE is a v good left back, Bale need to be further forward than that.

With a Bench including Krancjar, Lennon, Hudd, Piennar et al and we are not looking quite as shabby as Talksport would have us believe.
 

THFC-93

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No Ade doesn't have the pace and mobility for a 3 man forward line, Defoe is not a good enough finisher, nor is Lennon and VDV doesn't have the pace to play the system either.

it wouldn't work with our players and would be a huge tactical mistake, 4-4-2 got us to the Champions league and we had a bloody good season with 4-4-1-1, no need to change.

1 bad season and you have come to that conclusion... Eek
 

tommo84

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I don't think any of our attacking players, including Bale and Lennon, are suited to a 3-man forward line.

We'll stick to 4-4-1-1, and often switch to 4-4-2 in the last 20 mins of games with Defoe replacing VdV due to his fitness.

While VdV is out with his hamstring we'll prob go 4-4-2 with Defoe and Adebayor up front. A run in the team in a 4-4-2 may be just what Defoe needs as I think he's looked a bit more like his old self lately (getting the ball out of his feet and shooting early).

Central midfield is likely to be Parker and Modric, but if Modric is still 'not right', then Hudd alongside Parker could work quite well with Parker's dynamism making up for Hudd's relative immobility.

We really need Gallas or King fit asap.
 

kcmei

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4-2-3-1 for me.

Front 6 of...

Parker Sandro

van der Vaart Modric Bale

Adebayor

I would go for this aswell as it seems to work so well for Germany and i like the idea of having 2 DM to support
 

Kyras

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1 bad season and you have come to that conclusion... Eek

He isn't a good finisher, never has been. He just hits the ball as hard as he can and sees whether it goes in or not and he needs loads of chances to score. His shots to goal ratio is 0.14, Crouch's is 0.13, Bent's is 0.22.
 

chrissivad

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I would go for a 433 with the players we now have.

Friedel
Walker Dawson Kaboul BAE
Parker Modric Sandro
VDV----Adebayor---Bale​

VDV can also play a part of a CM 3.
Lennon can come in out wide
Corluka could play CB
Friedler/Gomes
Depends who is fit at CB
Livermore, Pienaar and Hudd can cover CM
Defoe could play as a wide striker. Not sure how good he would be though. But if on the right (as VDV is above) he can drift in and get Walker to really push forward
 

mpickard2087

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Possibly, I want to see us try it, not sure we have the wide players for it (lennon and bale dont really cut inside), but would benefit our central midfield and Kyle Walker could bomb on from fullback

Worth a try, but I doubt it will happen knowing Harry.
 

ChRiStOpHe

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I don't think the 4-4-3 would work like suggested, largely for reasons already stated. A 4-2-3-1 with Adebayor leading the line is the obvious switch, although I think a 4-4-2 diamond is something we're now more suited than most to.

Walker . Dawson . King . Bale

Sandro

Parker . . . Modric

VdV

Adebayor . . Defoe
 

mpickard2087

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The only danger of this 4-2-3-1 is that Modric and VdV will drop deep as they tend to do and we leave the one striker isolated.

We could really have done with at least one winger/wide forward in the TW.
 

theShiznit

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I think we do have players who could make a 4-3-3 workable.

now with Parker & a fit Sandro this gives us more options to break teams down.

i see the players who could play in the front 3 as.

-Bale (left or right of the three, he has played a similar role for Wales to great effect)

-VDV could play right of a 3 with less defensive duties and the flexibility to come in.

-Modric/Kranjcar could both play left of a front 3, but with them there you would need a CM bombing forward.

-Falque, unkown quantity as of yet but apparently is used to these positions (L & R) however calls himself a ACM. If VDV is out for a while we may get an early look at him?

Ade, can be the central figure in the 3, or even Defoe/Pav.

It's amazing how having 2 solid (mobile) CM's can open up your potential systems...
 

silentownage001

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A narrow diamond ( 4-1-2-1-2 ) like AC Milan play is our best formation with the personel we have.

Seedorf has proved you don't need pace to play at the top of a diamond s VDV would be devestating there and Kranjcar or Pienaar could do a great job as well.

Hudd or Sandro at the bottom of the Diamond and Parker and Modric as the iron fist in the silk glove.

Bale and Walker with loads of space to get forward with a narrow midfield in front covering them when they go.

Adebayor and Defoe causing havoc supplied by a very creative midfield. VDV would still get 15-20 behind a front 2 as well but probably 20 odd assists as well.

Gomes


Walker Dawson Gallas Bale

Hudd/Sandro

Parker Modric

VDV/Kranjcar

adebayor Defoe



Lethal.

friedel for gomes :razz:

remember the italian league is slower paced so seedorf's lack of pace isnt as big of a problem. here it would be.
 

LukaMotion

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I would go for a 433 with the players we now have.

Friedel
Walker Dawson Kaboul BAE
Parker Modric Sandro
VDV----Adebayor---Bale​

I'd really like us to try this formation too, especially while Lennon is injured/out of form.

Essentially it works like a 4-2-3-1 as VDV and bale will inevitably drop to find space to pick the ball up, but whatit does do is makes us much more solid defensively as when we are being attacked down the flanks, Parker and Sandro will drop to double up on the attacker, while VDV and Bale slot into the middle to sit next to Luka, effectively creating this:

Friedel
Walker Daws Kaboul BAE
Parker VDV Modric Bale Sandro
Ade​

While when we go forward, walker and BAE press up to effectively create a five man front line, while Parker, Modric and Sandro keep the ball moving in between them and the front men and shore up the defense as well, creating this:

Friedel
Daws Kaboul
Parker Modric Sandro
Walker VDV Ade Bale BAE​

This creates loads of space between the midfield and the defense of the opp and allows players to play silky through balls onto people running behind defense.

It's essentially the same way Barca play, with Alves and Abidal getting forward to join the attack frequently, Busquets sitting with Xavi and Iniesta frequently sitting alongside him but moving around a lot, and Messi, Villa and Pedro taking the roles of VDV, Ade and Bale.

I really think this formation could work, but only if the players are really prepared to increase their fitness levels, as this formation depends on:

1. the widemen getting back pretty sharpish when possesion is lost.
2. Sandro Parker and Modric tracking players back.
3. Bale and VDV applying pressure to players on the ball.
 
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