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Yet another young footballer collapses and dies.

CosmicHotspur

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There was a similar death in South Africa last week and now this, here in the UK. Such sad news and it keeps on happening.

A young footballer has died after collapsing during a pre-season friendly with the Kent side he was hoping to join. 23-year-old Junior Dian collapsed suddenly during a trial match for Tonbridge Angels in Surrey last night. Attempts to revive him on the pitch were unsuccessful and he was pronounced dead in hospital in London this morning. The club's chaplain Neil Durling says it's important for everyone to come together. More on this at 1.10 and 6.30 BBC1.
 

Drexl

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Sad news

Clubs should bring in better screening facilities in order to detect medical conditions in players, there has been too many incidents now
 

gilzeantheking

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Awful situation again. I thought they were looking at bringing in heart screening for young men as a matter of course at one point. Hope this can be achieved.
 

beats1

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Sad news

Clubs should bring in better screening facilities in order to detect medical conditions in players, there has been too many incidents now
The issue isn't medical conditions, some of these players today are too fit. Now the major clubs have brought in practices to help tackle these issues and do regular testing as opposed to once a season to find a medical condition

However these deaths are occurring at clubs that don't have the best medical facilities
 
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The issue isn't medical conditions, some of these players today are too fit. Now the major clubs have brought in practices to help tackle these issues and do regular testing as opposed to once a season to find a medical condition

However these deaths are occurring at clubs that don't have the best medical facilities

When you say too fit, what do you mean? I'm not being sarcastic, genuinely interested.
 

WalkerboyUK

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Sad news

Clubs should bring in better screening facilities in order to detect medical conditions in players, there has been too many incidents now

It's Tonbridge Angels in the Isthmian Premier League..... how exactly are they supposed to be able to afford the equipment/facilities?

Either way, still very sad at a young age.
 

Drexl

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It's Tonbridge Angels in the Isthmian Premier League..... how exactly are they supposed to be able to afford the equipment/facilities?

Either way, still very sad at a young age.

They would have the funds or an insurance policy to be able to send players to a private hospital once a year for checks on heart conditions etc?
 

beats1

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When you say too fit, what do you mean? I'm not being sarcastic, genuinely interested.
There is an argument saying that players are not carrying much fat, to the point where they are too muscular and that with fatigue from playing a lot or pushing themselves too much, it is more likely that the muscles will fail.

There was a investigation in to failing heart muscles, they found that the scans showed that the heart muscles were perfectly normally yet and there was no underlining medical conditions. However this player who had his heart fail, found when it did fail the muscle in his heart that separates the valves had decreased a lot in size due to stress. This led to his heart failure.

Now he was perfectly fit and it shouldn't of happened. It does seem that these players are pushing themselves too much. The fat content of players was around 11%, however once you get to 8%, then this becomes a dangerous health risk.
 
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There is an argument saying that players are not carrying much fat, to the point where they are too muscular and that with fatigue from playing a lot or pushing themselves too much, it is more likely that the muscles will fail.

There was a investigation in to failing heart muscles, they found that the scans showed that the heart muscles were perfectly normally yet and there was no underlining medical conditions. However this player who had his heart fail, found when it did fail the muscle in his heart that separates the valves had decreased a lot in size due to stress. This led to his heart failure.

Now he was perfectly fit and it shouldn't of happened. It does seem that these players are pushing themselves too much. The fat content of players was around 11%, however once you get to 8%, then this becomes a dangerous health risk.

Thanks mate, that's really interesting/useful to know. Do you know off hand what the investigation was called or when it happened?

Such a tragedy that this keeps happening. I wonder if it will lead to guidelines and standards being set in the professional game?
 

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They would have the funds or an insurance policy to be able to send players to a private hospital once a year for checks on heart conditions etc?

Clubs at this level are usually completely skint. Players have one season contracts and regularly change clubs each season to get a few more quid.
 

beats1

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Thanks mate, that's really interesting/useful to know. Do you know off hand what the investigation was called or when it happened?

Such a tragedy that this keeps happening. I wonder if it will lead to guidelines and standards being set in the professional game?
I can't sorry, i haven't looked at that stuff since uni

As for guidelines, there are now more MRI test and ultrasounds for players rather than just the medical and preseason tests. However at this level, people would be lucky to get an MRI. NHS isn't exactly keen on giving them out
 

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Seems some of my friends knew this guy well. RIP. Far too young.
 

Drexl

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Clubs at this level are usually completely skint. Players have one season contracts and regularly change clubs each season to get a few more quid.

It is time that the big clubs did more for grass roots football then

Premiership clubs should contribute to a fund that provides free screening for players at grass roots level then, if they can afford to pay players 50k-250k a week, and get tens of millions from sky they can afford to help grass roots clubs players live
 

CosmicHotspur

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We know that our training methods are particularly strenuous so I hope our players are getting regular checks.
 

SlickMongoose

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There's no way that footballers are at some peak of physical fitness unseen in other sports. I'd love to see a proper study comparing death rates, it might just be that there's a lot more people playing football.
 

RichieS

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There is an argument saying that players are not carrying much fat, to the point where they are too muscular and that with fatigue from playing a lot or pushing themselves too much, it is more likely that the muscles will fail.

There was a investigation in to failing heart muscles, they found that the scans showed that the heart muscles were perfectly normally yet and there was no underlining medical conditions. However this player who had his heart fail, found when it did fail the muscle in his heart that separates the valves had decreased a lot in size due to stress. This led to his heart failure.

Now he was perfectly fit and it shouldn't of happened. It does seem that these players are pushing themselves too much. The fat content of players was around 11%, however once you get to 8%, then this becomes a dangerous health risk.

There's no way that footballers are at some peak of physical fitness unseen in other sports. I'd love to see a proper study comparing death rates, it might just be that there's a lot more people playing football.
Indeed. You rarely (if ever in fact) hear of deaths during races on the pro cycling tour. I would've thought that those guys are at a much higher level of cardiovascular fitness than your average professional footballer.
 

mattie g

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So sad. It really does boggle the mind.

Is it me, or are the majority (not all) of the young men either suffering or dying from these conditions of African descent? If so, could there be some sort of genetic predisposition towards this type of thing?
 

beats1

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There's no way that footballers are at some peak of physical fitness unseen in other sports. I'd love to see a proper study comparing death rates, it might just be that there's a lot more people playing football.
Indeed. You rarely (if ever in fact) hear of deaths during races on the pro cycling tour. I would've thought that those guys are at a much higher level of cardiovascular fitness than your average professional footballer.
My uni did look in to this a while back and whilst a cyclist does have more stress on their body, there is a lot more football being played which is leading to muscle fatigue.

Also the stress on a footballer with that fatigue, a footballer tends to do around 6 miles per game on average over the season, added to the amount of games a footballer plays over that season, and unlike long distance running a lot of are short burst sprints, the pitches are exactly the best condition and they are often changing direction very quickly then also worth noting that players are often are getting clattered with a high force.

Over a season it take a lot away from you and a footballer will only tend to have one month if that, as some of the foreign based players are always moving.

A footballer isn't at the peak of fitness but in other ball sports they tend to be less lean and in other sports like athletics they do have a better and longer rest period than football as they do have an off season. So the argument is that footballers don't have enough rest time.

Other sports are more physically dangerous and other sports are much harder on the body like cycling(which has very intense summer races like the western european tours) however footballers now today are pretty much playing 11 months a year

Of course football is being played a lot more so there will be more deaths.
 
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