You are the Ref!

[ShelfSide18]

I've been wondering about this for a while and wondered whether SC has a resident ref, or someone with an unusual appetite for the laws of the game but what would happen if...

2 players were running together in the penalty area but then cross the goal line with the ball remaining in play, the attacker turns to re-enter the field of play and play the ball but the defender pulls him back/trips him off the field of play?

It's an obvious foul, but is it a penalty as the offence didn't actually occur in the penalty area?

Be good to clear this one up, it's been bugging me for a while, and feel free to add any other scenarios in too.

 

[Lanh]

I'd give a penalty and give the offending player a red-card, but I don't know the specific laws. I'm going purely on gut instinct.

 

[cwy21]

Its one of those bizarre situations where the correct decision, believe it or not, would be to caution the player and restart with a dropped ball where play was when the misconduct occurred.

Here is the reasoning in the laws.

First, by definition a foul has three requirements.
1. Ball was in play
2. Foul can only occur on the field
3. Was against an opponent

This happened off the field so it can't be a foul. It can be misconduct so you could caution or send off a player. Now for the restart. There are two different situations.

The one you described. The players, during the course of play left the field while playing the game. Basically their momentum took them out chasing the ball. Nothing wrong with that. In this case, any misconduct off the field is covered by this section of Law 12.

• If the ball is in play and the offence occurred outside the field of play:
– if the player is already off the field of play and commits the offence,
play is restarted with a dropped ball from the position in which the ball
was located when play was stopped, unless play was stopped inside
the goal area, in which case the referee drops the ball on the goal area
line parallel to the goal line at the point nearest to where the ball was
located when play was stopped

In your scenario, this is what that section is talking about. Caution him and restart with dropped ball unless you can play an advantage.

The second scenario. A single player ends up off the field during play probably because they were chasing the ball and their momentum took them out. An opponent then runs at him and punches him off the field. In this case, the offending player left the field for the sole purpose of committing misconduct against an opponent. In this situation, he would be cautioned or sent off (most likely the later) and play restarted with an indirect free kick from the spot where the ball was when the misconduct occurred.

– if the player leaves the field of play to commit the offence, play is
restarted with an indirect free kick from the position in which the ball
was located when play was stopped (see Law 13 –Position of Free Kick)

Its one of those weird cases where if it ever happened, the ref is screwed because he will never be able to convince anyone he was right, except his fellow refs.

 

[Lanh]

That's bloody complicated! :lol:

 

[ShelfSide18]

Cheers mate.

Could you imagine it's 0-0 away at Man City in the 4th place decider in injury time, Defoe goes around the keeper but a defender runs him off the field but falls over, Defoe just has to get up and put the ball into an empty net but the defender trips him up - and we get a drop ball!

There would be a riot!

 

[cwy21]

Cheers mate.

Could you imagine it's 0-0 away at Man City in the 4th place decider in injury time, Defoe goes around the keeper but a defender runs him off the field but falls over, Defoe just has to get up and put the ball into an empty net but the defender trips him up - and we get a drop ball!

There would be a riot!

If the trip was anywhere near the goal line, I'm sure the ref would have been certain that one of the defenders skin cells was on the goal line and a penalty is rewarded. If you know what I mean. :wink::grin:

 

[ShelfSide18]

Definitely, otherwise he'd be lynched!

I'm sure something like this will happen one day, just please let it be against Arsenal, I'd love to see Wengers reaction, in fact I'd pay good money to see his reaction.

 

[ShelfSide18]

Another question...

I'm sure we are all aware of the 'high foot' law, protecting players from dangerous play and a foul given when a player raises his foot, but what if...

The ball is in the air, underneath are 2 players from the same team and one of those overhead kicks the ball too close to his own player. Surely this is deemed as dangerous play as it normally would be? Is a foul awarded to the opposition despite not being fouled? A bit like when Bowyer and Dyer got sent off fighting with each other for violent conduct, whilst on the same team.

 

[cwy21]

Remember. A foul has three requirements. One of them is you can only foul an opponent.

The offense is called "playing in a dangerous manner"

Playing in a dangerous manner is defined as any action that, while
trying to play the ball, threatens injury to someone (including the player
himself). It is committed with an opponent nearby and prevents the opponent
from playing the ball for fear of injury.

So the law requires an opponent to be "nearby" so in this case there is no foul.

 

[ShelfSide18]

Remember. A foul has three requirements. One of them is you can only foul an opponent.

The offense is called "playing in a dangerous manner"



So the law requires an opponent to be "nearby" so in this case there is no foul.

:up:

 

[ShelfSide18]

So... forgive me for getting ridiculous but....

What if a player managed to get the ball up his shirt and ran with it under his shirt into the net, obviously without handling!?

Can I beat cwy21?

 

[cwy21]

If the ball is touching your shirt and and you are touching the shirt, you are handling the ball.

Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with
the ball with his hand or arm. The referee must take the following into
consideration:
• the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)
• the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
• the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an
infringement
• touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing, shinguard etc.)
counts as an infringement
• hitting the ball with a thrown object (boot, shinguard etc.) counts as an
infringement

Another easy one. Play is stopped player is cautioned for being an idiot (actually for unsporting behavior) and play restarted with a DFK or penalty kick.

Even if he gets the ball under the shirt without touching it, it would still be unsporting behavior.

Now I'm going to bed. Its 2am here. :grin:

 

[ShelfSide18]

You win :grin:

 

[wearetheparklane]

Very interesting. Thanks.