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Bulletspur

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I don't think it comes across in the way you surmise. I'm very happy with him, there aren't many better, but why don't you deal with my points?

His under-funding of the squad very, very nearly fcked us last season? In midfield, we had nowhere near enough to come top 4 had it not been for poor Goon and Manure sides.

Why not wait till the end of the window, like you told me and others to, instead of prematurely ejaculating over a great start?

The OP was basing Mr Levy's assessment over the last 18 years or so when he took over. If you then have to wait for the end of the coming season to form an opinion on his accomplishments then that says more about your bias than anything else.

Yes we were underfunded last season. This was unacceptable as, there was no stadium build, there was no bringing the likes of Kane and Dier on par with other clubs in terms of wages, we didnt make top 4 and nearly got relegated, we did not reach our first Champions League final.... see where I am going with this?

"Why not wait till the end of the window, like you told me and others to, instead of prematurely ejaculating over a great start?" Where in my post did I suggest this, and what great start are you on about?
 

Shadydan

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of course it's predictable because he's not replaced players before and I think he got away with it last season. He didn't manage the risks in the squad. A late Winks header at Fulham, a poor Auba pen at Wembley, that was the margin. There would have been no nD this summer but for those finest of margins. And we'd be listening to their rendition of Wednesday night instead. Don't get me wrong I'm fkin relieved, but in the cold light of day it couldn't have been closer.

I've heard this argument so many times, what if this happened, what if that happened...it's nonsense. We put enough points on the board and our early season form effectively gained us our top four placing furthermore we were distracted by the CL so what if we hadn't been in the CL, we most probably would have finished with more points and clearly would have got 3rd place therefore no silly margin narrative, let's argue in facts shall we.

Basing your argument on a hypothetical scenario just comes across as agenda driven, you're arguing against something that didn't happen.
 

cliff jones

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I've heard this argument so many times, what if this happened, what if that happened...it's nonsense. We put enough points on the board and our early season form effectively gained us our top four placing furthermore we were distracted by the CL so what if we hadn't been in the CL, we most probably would have finished with more points and clearly would have got 3rd place therefore no silly margin narrative, let's argue in facts shall we.

Basing your argument on a hypothetical scenario just comes across as agenda driven, you're arguing against something that didn't happen.

you've just undermined your own argument by quoting hypothetics. Levy knew we were in four comps including the CL. He would have been clear that HW and VW were half fcked if not worse, and most on here were desperate for MD to be replaced before he finally keeled over as well.

AFC and CFC had gruelling runs to their final, although playing kids in early rounds. What if they..
You're all over the place.

The point you continue to evade is Levy didn't manage the risks. If he were to leave Poch short this summer in the same way, Poch would leave because of that, not because he particularly wants another challenge somehwere else at this stage.
 

Shadydan

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you've just undermined your own argument by quoting hypothetics. Levy knew we were in four comps including the CL. He would have been clear that HW and VW were half fcked if not worse, and most on here were desperate for MD to be replaced before he finally keeled over as well.

AFC and CFC had gruelling runs to their final, although playing kids in early rounds. What if they..
You're all over the place.

The point you continue to evade is Levy didn't manage the risks. If he were to leave Poch short this summer in the same way, he'd be off because of that, not because he particularly wants another challenge somehwere else at this stage.

OMG Didn't think I'd have to explain myself, I've used a hypothetical argument to expose yours and you've just proved my point, and you're still doing it in your last paragraph.

You see how easy it is to put holes in your logic, like I said let's deal in facts.
 

cliff jones

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The OP was basing Mr Levy's assessment over the last 18 years or so when he took over. If you then have to wait for the end of the coming season to form an opinion on his accomplishments then that says more about your bias than anything else.

Yes we were underfunded last season. This was unacceptable as, there was no stadium build, there was no bringing the likes of Kane and Dier on par with other clubs in terms of wages, we didnt make top 4 and nearly got relegated, we did not reach our first Champions League final.... see where I am going with this?

"Why not wait till the end of the window, like you told me and others to, instead of prematurely ejaculating over a great start?" Where in my post did I suggest this, and what great start are you on about?

nope. I answered in two parts. First, the historical context. When I was growing up we were Big 5. My Dad would tell me about the glory nights.

Then the here and now. As I've just intimated to Shady, I think Levy is out only because Poch has called him out. At least I hope he is- and for that we must wait. Do you need me to tell you how significant keeping Poch is to the "project"?
 

cliff jones

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OMG Didn't think I'd have to explain myself, I've used a hypothetical argument to expose yours and you've just proved my point, and you're still doing it in your last paragraph.

You see how easy it is to put holes in your logic, like I said let's deal in facts.

Ha. What? Why didn't he manage the risks?
 

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you're normally a good read IMHO but that's an embarassing distortion. We've flirted only a couple of times and trust me my heart still skips a beat recalling those.
We were a mid table club for a decade. We regularly finished somewhere between 14th and 10th. That's no distortion.
 

Shadydan

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Ha. What? Why didn't he manage the risks?

"If he were to leave Poch short again this summer in the same way"

That's what I'm talking about...stop it.

No I agree Levy left the squad with holes in it which was terrible mis-management of the squad, I always said that Poch worked miracles last season and this summer he owes him a lot needs to back him this summer but it still pales in comparison to what he's achieved under his tenure, that's my point. You're nit picking over small things that haven't actually happened and ignoring the major things he's done because you have an agenda against him, it's obvious.
 

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I don't think it comes across in the way you surmise. I'm very happy with him, there aren't many better, but why don't you deal with my points?

His under-funding of the squad very, very nearly fcked us last season? In midfield, we had nowhere near enough to come top 4 had it not been for poor Goon and Manure sides.

Why not wait till the end of the window, like you told me and others to, instead of prematurely ejaculating over a great start?

Genuine question - as before this summer i've only 'popped in' to this website so don't know if it's been established - but i was under the impression that it was Poch who ultimately blocked several signings, mostly of which were midfield players. For example,I was under the impression we couldn't sign NDom last season (not so much for money reasons) so Poch decided that he'd rather wait for his no.1 target rather than buy a 'lesser' player,which we ended up doing. Isn't that correct ?
 

minesadouble

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I am glad somebody else has written this post and I didn’t have to write it. It needed to be said. Daniel Levy has transformed our football club.

I’m 62. I’ve been a Spurs fan since I was 6. My first match was the Charity Shield when double-winners Spurs beat England 3-2. I’ve been a shareholder since the Stock Exchange listing. I’ve supported us throughout the rollercoaster of the glorious early 60s to the abject late 90s and the painful climb back up to 2019. I remember when footballers’ wages were capped at £100 per week, Andy Gray was a player, and MOTD was but a few Saturday night highlights, those sepia days before the PL, Sky, television, agents, oil and oligarchs, FIFA and UEFA, all transformed the simple game of football.

There are really two types of fan; the post-Sky social media millenials who see things through a narrow lens, and the pre-Sky codgers who peer at the wider screen world in a more rounded, less absolute way.

In sum, like others my age, I have a perspective that stretches back to when Spurs were undisputedly an elite club. We won trophies at home and abroad, set transfer records, signed Argentine world cup winners, had iconic books written about us, etc. Yet I read articles nowadays by professional journalists who seem to have no knowledge of this era, this heritage of ours. In fact, NDombele and European finals are nothing new for us; we are merely reclaiming our rightful place at the very top table.

But no ‘Club’ in itself has a right to anything. Nor does any fanbase. Success or failure ultimately depends on those in charge; the owners and directors, managers and staff. Some “do a Ridsdale” and cause serious damage to a great old club like Leeds. If you win the Owner-Lottery like Man City fans, you end up with trophies after decades of mediocrity. Of course, their silver is slightly tarnished by financial irregularity and where the money comes from. Not that some fans care. At least they play good football. Unlike Chelsea.

All fans have one unalienable right, however. To cheer or jeer, to attend or stay away, to celebrate or criticize the owners. The THFC rollercoaster since the 60s wasn’t caused by bad players. It was down to the owners; initially ‘stuck in the past’ (the Richardsons and Wales), and then ‘opportunists’ (Scholar and Sugar) who probably did what they thought was right at the time, but history doesn’t judge kindly. The steady decline in our players was the effect of our decline, not the cause.

Like the OP, I’ve been a member of this forum for many years. What I’ve noticed is that the only thing many of us have in common is our love of Spurs. Beyond that, each one of us is different, not just obviously in age, gender, nationality, money, politics, IQ, luck, etc, but also in how we see the world. To simplify, we are mostly either “glass half empty” OR “glass half full” people, either inclined to tolerance or to criticism.

At a complete guess, I think we split into a small group of Levy-haters, a similarly small group of Levy-disciples, and a great mass of floating voters somewhere in the middle. At times in the past, Levy could easily have lost an Election on SC. Right now, he’d probably win a decent landslide.

Whatever one’s view of him though, one thing is undeniable; steady progress at the Club. Too steady for some, of course. Off the pitch and, as importantly, on it. Like a General, a Chairman/CEO has to “win the war”. Sometimes that may involve losing a battle or two, some casualties, even a tactical retreat. But Daniel Levy has never lost sight of the ultimate goal; victory. The strategic pursuit of long term victory has involved changing managers, missing out on transfers, selling a couple of stars. Short term sacrifices for the sake of long term progress.

Of course, if we were still in rickety old WHL and had spent all that £ on players instead, I’m sure we’d have won a trophy or two in the meantime. Or Daniel might have done a Ridsdale and built the stadium AND net spent a few hundred million on buying players. He might have bet our club and lost. We might be down in League 1.

For the sake of transparency, I should declare that I’ve met Daniel a couple of times. My Avatar shows me chatting with him (though a friend said it looks like I’m about to punch him!). But in no way is he an acquaintance and nor am I his spokesman. Rob (SC Boss) teased me after a recent post by calling me Donna Cullen.

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/the-daily-itk-discussion-thread-14th-may-2019.136341/page-8#post-6340996

I don't apologise for praising his achievements. What I can say is that he is a businessman first and a Spurs fan a close second. And that’s absolutely how it should be. If it was the other way round, he’d be making all the wrong decisions, winning little battles but losing the war. And not only is he a businessman first, he’s an extremely good one.

But the last 18 years have created a myth. That Spurs will always be a selling club. That we’ll never pay our top players enough. That Daniel won’t ever spend proper money. Boardroom opponents (Ferguson, Aulas) helped establish his legend. The media and pundits fed the fire. That we care more about our cheese room than our midfield. For some, even the whole ethnicity of our club slotted neatly into the jaded storyline. Fans of all clubs (and social media) bought into this reputation.

But the Spurs fan in Levy probably couldn’t wait to splash the cash. He's had to control himself. It’s not Poch finally dragging him kicking and screaming into a purchase or two. But I bet he even quite likes his misleading reputation because he can use it in negotiations, though I doubt he cares too much one way or the other. He has bigger things to focus on. I have studied Spurs finances since 2008. At that time, I too was the chairman and CEO of a £100m company. I’ve understood his plan for a long time. But it’s way easier to understand it than to implement it. Whilst at the same time, to progress the playing squad on the pitch as well as the finances and construction. Trust me, the man’s a genius. Best of all, he’s on our side.
 

cliff jones

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"If he were to leave Poch short again this summer in the same way"

That's what I'm talking about...stop it.

No I agree Levy left the squad with holes in it which was terrible mis-management of the squad, I always said that Poch worked miracles last season and this summer he owes him a lot needs to back him this summer but it still pales in comparison to what he's achieved under his tenure, that's my point. You're nit picking over small things that haven't actually happened and ignoring the major things he's done because you have an agenda against him, it's obvious.

Ha again. And no again.

So we have one agree, and two disagrees.

Read my posts again- and what I have said about Infrastructure and where I feel Spurs, with our history, location and fanbase should be. Which is where we currently are. And why I don't agree with your dismissal of the risk that Poch has publically threatened to walk unless he's properly backed. And as things stand today, we don't know how the window is going to turn out. Which is a fact.
 

cliff jones

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Genuine question - as before this summer i've only 'popped in' to this website so don't know if it's been established - but i was under the impression that it was Poch who ultimately blocked several signings, mostly of which were midfield players. For example,I was under the impression we couldn't sign NDom last season (not so much for money reasons) so Poch decided that he'd rather wait for his no.1 target rather than buy a 'lesser' player,which we ended up doing. Isn't that correct ?

I certainly don't know although I read the same stuff as you i suspect. The ITK we get is brilliant but it never covers all perspectives.
Of course i believe we could have got nD last summer had we thrown enough at Aulas. Like we now have this summer, albeit of course with a different view of the risk in spending big/ger on him.
 

minesadouble

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Very few people have yet realized the change in Spurs’ finances that is happening now and will accelerate over the next 2-3 years. Most analysis focuses on the past (recent accounts, etc.). I wrote an article a couple of years ago on the future that’s now coming to fruition. Within a year it will be revealed just how much Spurs earn per home match (tickets, premium, food, beer, tours, shop, etc.) versus the other PL clubs per match. The difference is immense. Then add NFL, boxing, concerts, hotel, apartments, naming rights, and the list goes on. THFC is no longer a football club. It’s a money machine.
 

Bulletspur

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nope. I answered in two parts. First, the historical context. When I was growing up we were Big 5. My Dad would tell me about the glory nights.

Then the here and now. As I've just intimated to Shady, I think Levy is out only because Poch has called him out. At least I hope he is- and for that we must wait. Do you need me to tell you how significant keeping Poch is to the "project"?
What the fuck are you on about? Read my posts again. You are clearly answering to something I didnt say
 

Shadydan

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Ha again. And no again.

So we have one agree, and two disagrees.

Read my posts again- and what I have said about Infrastructure and where I feel Spurs, with our history, location and fanbase should be. Which is where we currently are. And why I don't agree with your dismissal of the risk that Poch has publically threatened to walk unless he's properly backed. And as things stand today, we don't know how the window is going to turn out. Which is a fact.

Pre Levy we were shit and nowhere near the elite, so Levy has put us back to where we belong which will allow us to compete for trophies consistently, do you get it? You don't compare his tenure to when we were successful because a lot has happened since then you compare it to where we were.

Yep we don't know how the window is gonna turn out but that's an utterley pointless statement to make especially if you're using it as some sort of counter argument.

What the fuck are you on about? Read my posts again. You are clearly answering to something I didnt say

He's likes a straw man.
 

cliff jones

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I am glad somebody else has written this post and I didn’t have to write it. It needed to be said. Daniel Levy has transformed our football club.

I’m 62. I’ve been a Spurs fan since I was 6. My first match was the Charity Shield when double-winners Spurs beat England 3-2. I’ve been a shareholder since the Stock Exchange listing. I’ve supported us throughout the rollercoaster of the glorious early 60s to the abject late 90s and the painful climb back up to 2019. I remember when footballers’ wages were capped at £100 per week, Andy Gray was a player, and MOTD was but a few Saturday night highlights, those sepia days before the PL, Sky, television, agents, oil and oligarchs, FIFA and UEFA, all transformed the simple game of football.

There are really two types of fan; the post-Sky social media millenials who see things through a narrow lens, and the pre-Sky codgers who peer at the wider screen world in a more rounded, less absolute way.

In sum, like others my age, I have a perspective that stretches back to when Spurs were undisputedly an elite club. We won trophies at home and abroad, set transfer records, signed Argentine world cup winners, had iconic books written about us, etc. Yet I read articles nowadays by professional journalists who seem to have no knowledge of this era, this heritage of ours. In fact, NDombele and European finals are nothing new for us; we are merely reclaiming our rightful place at the very top table.

But no ‘Club’ in itself has a right to anything. Nor does any fanbase. Success or failure ultimately depends on those in charge; the owners and directors, managers and staff. Some “do a Ridsdale” and cause serious damage to a great old club like Leeds. If you win the Owner-Lottery like Man City fans, you end up with trophies after decades of mediocrity. Of course, their silver is slightly tarnished by financial irregularity and where the money comes from. Not that some fans care. At least they play good football. Unlike Chelsea.

All fans have one unalienable right, however. To cheer or jeer, to attend or stay away, to celebrate or criticize the owners. The THFC rollercoaster since the 60s wasn’t caused by bad players. It was down to the owners; initially ‘stuck in the past’ (the Richardsons and Wales), and then ‘opportunists’ (Scholar and Sugar) who probably did what they thought was right at the time, but history doesn’t judge kindly. The steady decline in our players was the effect of our decline, not the cause.

Like the OP, I’ve been a member of this forum for many years. What I’ve noticed is that the only thing many of us have in common is our love of Spurs. Beyond that, each one of us is different, not just obviously in age, gender, nationality, money, politics, IQ, luck, etc, but also in how we see the world. To simplify, we are mostly either “glass half empty” OR “glass half full” people, either inclined to tolerance or to criticism.

At a complete guess, I think we split into a small group of Levy-haters, a similarly small group of Levy-disciples, and a great mass of floating voters somewhere in the middle. At times in the past, Levy could easily have lost an Election on SC. Right now, he’d probably win a decent landslide.

Whatever one’s view of him though, one thing is undeniable; steady progress at the Club. Too steady for some, of course. Off the pitch and, as importantly, on it. Like a General, a Chairman/CEO has to “win the war”. Sometimes that may involve losing a battle or two, some casualties, even a tactical retreat. But Daniel Levy has never lost sight of the ultimate goal; victory. The strategic pursuit of long term victory has involved changing managers, missing out on transfers, selling a couple of stars. Short term sacrifices for the sake of long term progress.

Of course, if we were still in rickety old WHL and had spent all that £ on players instead, I’m sure we’d have won a trophy or two in the meantime. Or Daniel might have done a Ridsdale and built the stadium AND net spent a few hundred million on buying players. He might have bet our club and lost. We might be down in League 1.

For the sake of transparency, I should declare that I’ve met Daniel a couple of times. My Avatar shows me chatting with him (though a friend said it looks like I’m about to punch him!). But in no way is he an acquaintance and nor am I his spokesman. Rob (SC Boss) teased me after a recent post by calling me Donna Cullen.

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/the-daily-itk-discussion-thread-14th-may-2019.136341/page-8#post-6340996

I don't apologise for praising his achievements. What I can say is that he is a businessman first and a Spurs fan a close second. And that’s absolutely how it should be. If it was the other way round, he’d be making all the wrong decisions, winning little battles but losing the war. And not only is he a businessman first, he’s an extremely good one.

But the last 18 years have created a myth. That Spurs will always be a selling club. That we’ll never pay our top players enough. That Daniel won’t ever spend proper money. Boardroom opponents (Ferguson, Aulas) helped establish his legend. The media and pundits fed the fire. That we care more about our cheese room than our midfield. For some, even the whole ethnicity of our club slotted neatly into the jaded storyline. Fans of all clubs (and social media) bought into this reputation.

But the Spurs fan in Levy probably couldn’t wait to splash the cash. He's had to control himself. It’s not Poch finally dragging him kicking and screaming into a purchase or two. But I bet he even quite likes his misleading reputation because he can use it in negotiations, though I doubt he cares too much one way or the other. He has bigger things to focus on. I have studied Spurs finances since 2008. At that time, I too was the chairman and CEO of a £100m company. I’ve understood his plan for a long time. But it’s way easier to understand it than to implement it. Whilst at the same time, to progress the playing squad on the pitch as well as the finances and construction. Trust me, the man’s a genius. Best of all, he’s on our side.

that was a good read, and I totally agree with most of it.

But are you inferring that anyone calling out Levy when he fcks up, while also giving him credit where it's truly deserved- is a glass half full type? Less tolerant? You are not alone in suggesting this among the community including some in this thread. Apologies if I've misunderstood?

I neither hate Levy, far from it. I'm delighted we're back where we belong, and he's a major part of that. He picked Poch when most of us were enchanted by the prospect of total Dutch football instead.

I've grown up on Hod, but now I've seen the last of Dozzell, and now I'm looking forward to NDombele.

Neither am I a pessimist, in studying Levy's approach to risk. I don't think he deserved the luck he got last season. But i hope he continues investing this window and gets all the luck next season.
 

cliff jones

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What the fuck are you on about? Read my posts again. You are clearly answering to something I didnt say

don't try to mug me off Bullet. You're supporting the OP talking about about the big picture and the progress. I'm talking about the big picture and the progress.

The problem i have with the context is these posts sucking his bellend pop up at times when it doesn't necessarily make full sense.
Yes let's celebrate the nD signing as more evidence of progress, which has clearly promted the OP to write an ode. And wait to see what else happens in this window to see if Poch really does get backed or not.

And yes no-one can contradict the look where we were when he took over and where we are now brigade. But THFC wasn't formed in 2001.
 
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minesadouble

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that was a good read, and I totally agree with most of it.

But are you inferring that anyone calling out Levy when he fcks up, while also giving him credit where it's truly deserved- is a glass half full type? Less tolerant? You are not alone in suggesting this among the community including some in this thread. Apologies if I've misunderstood?

I neither hate Levy, far from it. I'm delighted we're back where we belong, and he's a major part of that. He picked Poch when most of us were enchanted by the prospect of total Dutch football instead.

I've grown up on Hod, but now I've seen the last of Dozzell, and now I'm looking forward to NDombele.

Neither am I a pessimist, in studying Levy's approach to risk. I don't think he deserved the luck he got last season. But i hope he continues investing this window and gets all the luck next season.

Nah, I wasn't picking on anybody in particular and certainly not you. TBH, I wrote my post in Word and then pasted it into the thread. I started writing my post as soon as I saw the title. I hadn't read the comments in the meantime until I posted.

My comment about glass 'half full' and 'half empty' types is obviously a generalisation. Amongst 30k people it's bound to be. I don't follow closely enough to know names. I just read a lot of threads and notice that some are quick to criticise. No problem with that. It's part of the purpose of an effing forum! Even if I'm slow to jump to conclusions myself.

It's obviously hard for you, or any of us, to judge Levy's approach to risk. We simply don't have anything like all the facts.

With the benefit of hindsight I'm sure he wishes (I certainly do) that he'd dug a bit deeper into his pockets during a couple of past windows (the Ryan Nelson one springs to mind).

What debates about Levy usually end up being is about spending money (not just on SC but in the media in general). There's an inbuilt bias in the press, pundits, fans, football, that SPENDING = good. Not spending = bad.

But a proper consideration of his performance surely needs to be broader than that. And - in support of your point - he can't be evaluated YET because it's not over yet. Where we disagree is that for me it's not just this window, or next season, or the season after that. It's ongoing, constant. At least until the day he departs. His legacy can be judged then. And in the meantime I can only evaluate him on his first 18 years. Overall, I could use a red pen on some mistakes (the way Jol was sacked, appointing Ramos, missing out on Suarez, etc.). But to support the OP's point. Where has he led us from? The effing wilderness in 2001. Where are we now? Top Table. Where can we get to? Infinity and beyond, as Poch Lightyear would say.
 

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Read my posts again- and what I have said about Infrastructure and where I feel Spurs, with our history, location and fanbase should be. Which is where we currently are. And why I don't agree with your dismissal of the risk that Poch has publically threatened to walk unless he's properly backed. And as things stand today, we don't know how the window is going to turn out. Which is a fact.
I think you've seriously underestimated how hard it was meant to be for us to reach the heights you're talking about. We didn't finish top five one single time between 1990 and 2006. An entire generation of fans grew up feeling that top 10 was a good season.

When Campbell left in 2001, I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that we were at our lowest point since the 1930s and 40s in Division Two, we were a consistently poor team (the relegation in '76 was an anomaly that was righted soon enough) with a squad that was full of mediocre has-beens and injury prone "talents" who never fulfilled their promise.

Even if last season had ended in disaster, Levy's tenure has made it so that 5th is seen as a disaster. Our rise has been spectacular and it is mostly down to one man and his vision for this club.
 

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don't try to mug me off Bullet. You're supporting the OP talking about about the big picture and the progress. I'm talking about the big picture and the progress.



And yes no-one can contradict the look where we were when he took over and where we are now brigade. But THFC wasn't formed in 2001.

I am not trying to mug you off. I also not disputing that we were once a top five club pre 2001 either. After all I started to support Spurs in 1981 when they were deemed one of the top 4 clubs in the old 1st division. But Mr Levy wasnt around then and didnt take custody of it until 2001.

So what I think the OP was trying to say was at the time in 2001 when he took over, we were a mid table club, with a small stadium, rudderless and going no way fast. He then went on to show how between 2001 and present, we have improved, grown and gone back to the top of the tree under Levy's stewardship, despite mistakes, other hinderances and unforeseen circumstances outside his control. For example the increase in cost of steel and other materials in the stadium build (because of Brexit results) and the electrical and safety fiasco of the stadium.

He was only giving him due respect for this, something I think he deserves unreservedly..... despite his mistakes
 
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