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Zoko ban upheld

stemark44

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Crouch has no chance with an appeal and really does' not deserve any,in fact I would give him an extra couple of games for being dopey.Ok I know he did not make a great deal of contact with Mikel but he must have jumped 3'ft in the air.He must really be as thick as a plank to commit such a stupid foul after the incidents the night before in the same competition!
 

bomberH

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It's the usual thing where the FA are sticking up for their referees. They'd never admit they were wrong and the fact this has been upheld suggests the only way an appeal will work is in a case of mistaken identity.

Terrible terrible decision. I wonder what would happen if a player decided to jump into a ball 2 footed with no-one near him and he just did it for a laugh. Would the ref still send him off then? In fact, next game, i'm going to run on the pitch and tackle the referee 2 footed. Will i get a red card? Course i fucking won't, i'll get 2 years. Where's the consistency.

Chimbonda, Dawson, Kaboul and YPL will be our back 4 Saturday, On a separate note, i sort of hope Defoe starts alongside Berby. He's scored 2 in 3 and for a confidence player which Defoe is, a nod ahead of Keano will do his confidence bundles of good. But i won't be disappointed if Keane starts.

Either way, 8-1 to us. Defoe & Keane hatrick, Berby and Robbo from a goal kick. Flamini with a late consolation for them.
 

Winchy85

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Sorry but Zokora went in 2 footed and deserved the red card and suspension.

The problem with it is there is no consistency in the officiating when it comes to two footed challenges. Every two footed challenge should be a red card offence whether or not a player is connected with. It's the lowest of the low in terms of tackles and Zokora performs it far too often but always gets away with it.

The main problem I have is Bennett has officiated how many times this season? How many red cards has he given for two footed tackles. I'm sure if we watched his games refereed we can pick out more than just Zokora's two footed challenge, we only have to look at the weekend to see his inconsistency.

Zokora deserved the red and the suspension, but so do all offenders but that doesn't seem to be the case.....
 

Bobbins

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That's your opinion, and in addition to being wrong, you can't send off a player for touching the ball two-footed when he was nowhere near the opposition. It's not a case of the Citeh player not being touched, it's a case of the Citeh player being absolutely nowhere near being touched.

As Bomber says right above you, does this mean we now have to send people off if they jump two-footed at the ball when there is no-one within 10 yards of them, just for a laugh? If someone makes a joke in the warm-up and jumps in the air with studs up should they be banned?
 

Winchy85

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So you don't think the City players cleverly decided not to go in to the challenge because another player was coming in two footed which if connected could quite easily cause his leg a lot of damage.

Two-Footed challenges are completely wrong and should all be awarded with a red card. If there was no challenge from the City player why would he go diving in like that? You wont see a player go in 2 footed when there's no player around him will you, no point even bringing that up!!!

Zokora went in 2 footed, it's illegal and is quite well known that a 2 footed challenge should be treated with a red card which in this case it rightly was.
 

chrissivad

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That's your opinion, and in addition to being wrong, you can't send off a player for touching the ball two-footed when he was nowhere near the opposition. It's not a case of the Citeh player not being touched, it's a case of the Citeh player being absolutely nowhere near being touched.

As Bomber says right above you, does this mean we now have to send people off if they jump two-footed at the ball when there is no-one within 10 yards of them, just for a laugh? If someone makes a joke in the warm-up and jumps in the air with studs up should they be banned?

If he was nowhere near the ball why did Zokora feel the need to jump in then. Surly he would have had the time to take another 2 steps and easly run away with the ball
 

Bobbins

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Unbelievable. Zokora jumped in two footed to quickly get to the ball, you can tell (if you actually bother watching the various replays) that his body position is too straight to be able to turn and make the move with only one foot. So he does the only thing he can, and (rather ungainly) jumps to the ball with both feet. His feet and studs don't come up until he's already gone past the City player and his backside makes his legs rise up.

In fact, why the hell am I even bothering to explain the specifics to both of you when 1 - they are patently obvious, and 2 - the entirety of the football world outside the FA has already said that the sending off was completely unjustified and utterly incomprehensible.
 

Rocksuperstar

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Next time i see Lehmann point at one of our players, i'm going to write to the FA to have it investigated as, although no contact was made, the intention was to poke him in the eye, which could lead to him being blinded. The fact that there was a good 5 feet of clear air between them has NOTHING to do with it, it was the intent.

How about the FA look at the other side of "intent"? Psychological intent? Waving your hand in the air, demanding a player get booked - you intended to influence the referees decision, does that not count?

Makes me laugh even more is that they're all so busy getting their commodes and wigs in a knot over the fact they think they can read peoples minds and guage their intentions, they're ignoring actual actions - you can walk right up to someone and kick them in the balls and get away with it. Motion like you tried to kick them in the balls and miss, or pull up short and the FA will rape your pets.
 

Crow

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It was a harsh sending off, but he dives in with two feet all the time and was going to get done for it at one time or another.

But to say there was no one near him when he did it is just laughable, why would he dive two footed at the ball if there was no one near him? Watch the replay, there is a city player chasing the ball down but Zokora just gets to it before him. Misjudge a challenge like that and he'll seriously injure someone, cowards way to tackle.
 

Bobbins

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I'm glad you put that up, because that replay clearly shows that Zokora was nowhere near a City player (I said earlier that he was a good four feet away - that video shows he was even further away than that) when he went for the ball, won the ball without it being touched by the chasing City player, and only showed his studs/let his feet come up when he had already slid past the City player (who patted him on the head to show that nothing was wrong as he calmly walked past).

Thus nicely confirming exactly what I, and almost the entire football community (including Sven) has said (that it was an obcene decision and never a sending off in a million years).

Ta.

I won't even go on to mention Ashley Cole's dig to the neck of Van Persie, Malbranque's far, far worse tackle only a few minutes later, or Kevin Muamba's breaking of Gareth Bale's foot, none of which were deemed worthy of a sending off despite being infinitely worse challenges than Zokora's winning of a ball completely safely with his feet down on the ground and the ball between him and the approaching City player.
 

Winchy85

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Biased and blind.

Nowhere near the player :lol:

He almost went through the player!!! He had to move out of the fucking way!!!

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When you are arguing he was nowhere near the player and even after a video is played you still maintain this it's hard to take anything you say serious when it's so obvious!

He deserved the red, he deserved the ban to be kept and he deserves to be out the next 3 games.

The disciplinary is not compared to "yesterdays tackle" or "last weeks sending off", it's based on the rules and what the player did and Zokoras tackle was a two footed tackle which is a red card offence.

If someone like Eboue had done this you would probably be jumping up and down in anger if he got away with nothing for it, but being our own player you want to, for some reason?, defend him!

Please don't go on forums with other fans and splurt the bollocks you are on here, it's embarassing for Spurs fans.
 

Bobbins

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Biased and blind.

Nowhere near the player :lol:

He almost went through the player!!! He had to move out of the fucking way!!!

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When you are arguing he was nowhere near the player and even after a video is played you still maintain this it's hard to take anything you say serious when it's so obvious!

He deserved the red, he deserved the ban to be kept and he deserves to be out the next 3 games.

The disciplinary is not compared to "yesterdays tackle" or "last weeks sending off", it's based on the rules and what the player did and Zokoras tackle was a two footed tackle which is a red card offence.

If someone like Eboue had done this you would probably be jumping up and down in anger if he got away with nothing for it, but being our own player you want to, for some reason?, defend him!

Please don't go on forums with other fans and splurt the bollocks you are on here, it's embarassing for Spurs fans.

You're talking shit. Show some screen grabs of when Zokora actually touched the ball, because all your pictures are showing there are the moments where he was sliding past the City player, having won the ball 4 feet further back (as the video clip shows).

I wouldn't mind you know if I was in the minority here. Obviously on a Spurs board you'd expect Zokora to be supported, but (rather pleasantly for me) it seems to be pretty much everyone in football who agrees with me.

Comments by some City fans from a couple of their boards:

Tottenham wanted the game more, and they scored early and were in complete control. then Zakora got sent off after about 20mins for not much at all. Then malbranque did a really nasty challenge which deserved a red and the incompetant Steve Bennet just booked him!

...despite Zokora being unfairly sent-off...

Name me a job where you can consistently perform so badly/inconsistently, and keep your job, safe in the knowledge that you will not be punished for your incompetence, or even criticised by your superiors… Zokora was sent off for a two footed lunge on Elano, which looked like a yellow card, at worst. Seconds later, Steve Bennet (incompetent ref extraordinaire) failed to send off Malbranque for a two footed lunge which, had Corluka been less lucky, could have resulted in a career threatening injury.

Looked very harsh, but I'm not complaining.

Ramos himself (who to be fair is probably going to agree with me, but he fucking well disagrees with the shit you're spouting that's for sure):

"It wasn't a sending-off, not in a game like this," Ramos said. "A cup tie generates a heated atmosphere, and the referee has to be a bit more flexible. It was unfair.

It was absolutely undeserved, unjust and it wasn’t a sending off, no way.

From newspaper reports on the game:

That sense of self-sacrifice could be seen even in Defoe, who, though he left the field reluctantly as part of a tactical reshuffle after Zokora’s sending-off, reserved his ire for the match officials rather than Ramos. Was Tottenham’s anger justified? Almost certainly. The laws state that serious foul play means using “excessive force or brutality” or “endangering the safety of the opponent”, but Zokora seemed to do neither in winning the ball from Elano.

The referee was Steve Bennett, three days after he enraged Roy Keane to the point where the Sunderland manager questioned whether the official was good enough even for the Conference.

Replays showed that Zokora went to ground in his challenge and made little or no contact with the Manchester City player.

From Sky:

Spurs were forced to play much of match a man light after Didier Zokora was surprisingly dismissed by referee Steve Bennett...

City centre-back Richard Dunne:

“We did not have a good night and neither did the referee,” Dunne said. “We have seen all the incidents afterwards on the laptop and they all seem wrong. There are bookings when there should not have been and red cards when they should have been bookings."

These quotes are of course in addition to the repeated statements on tv by Robbie Earl, Lawro, Alan Hansen, Sven himself, and even Lee Dixon, that it was definately not a red card offence.

Now if you'd like any more evidence which states that you're wrong, just let me know and I'll provide it - I'm quite happy for you to keep throwing 'em my way and I'll keep batting you out of the park. :up:
 

SpursManChris

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Football Farce Commission is what I call it.

Great post BTW Bobbins! Pretty clear how the decision was viewed with those multiple non biased quotes. How on earth did you go about getting all of them???? Non stop research.
 
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