Zokora & Hudd just doesn't work

[stamford-hillbilly]

These two in centre midfield is woeful, it didn't work under Jol, and it doesn't work now. I can't work out why it doesn't work - or maybe I can - neither of them are up to it. Its like having 2 Alan neilsen's in there, the game just seems to pass them by. Zokora has improved (he couldn't get worse) and at least has a high work rate, but Huddlestone just doesn't know what to do when the other team has the ball, witness tonight against Villa for Young's goal, he made no attempt to chase Young, leaving him free to run at towards the area. Could we not have met Villa's asking price for Barry? We can't play these two in the middle again.

 

[jambo]

Agree that they dont really go well together but they were made to look as bad as possible because I thought Barry had an excellent game tonight. Most of the midfielders are playing out of position and we wont go very far unless he sorts the midfield out because we will get dominated like we have so far this season.

 

[Jonboy]

Both played poorly along with Bent, Dawson not good enough

 

[gibbs131]

Almost a third of our team goes missing.

Hud
Modric
Bent

Sometimes looks like we are playing with 8 men.

 

[phil]

IMO The only player currently on our books who is equipped to play DM in a 4-4-2 formation is O'Hara. Our folly in not signing a DM was highlighted again tonight. If only we had kept Tainio.

Huddlestone is not good enough to start a game. By all means bring him on for the last 20 minutes when the game is opening up but he really isn't up to playing a full game. Wonderful passing (although not tonight) does not forgive poor tackling, lack of mobility and woeful positional sense.

Zokora is just awful. Good athlete, but that's it.

 

[gibbs131]

Zok isn't the problem. Hud and Modric is.

 

[Goldman]

I agree with the first post. The main thing for me seems to be zoko cant play in a 4 man midfield. When he moves into the 'maka' role, he is pretty good, as shown against chelsea. But he is not good enough in a 4.

 

[gibbs131]

IMO The only player currently on our books who is equipped to play DM in a 4-4-2 formation is O'Hara. Our folly in not signing a DM was highlighted again tonight. If only we had kept Tainio.

Huddlestone is not good enough to start a game. By all means bring him on for the last 20 minutes when the game is opening up but he really isn't up to playing a full game. Wonderful passing (although not tonight) does not forgive poor tackling, lack of mobility and woeful positional sense.

Zokora is just awful. Good athlete, but that's it.

OHara is an attacking midfielder. Dont mistake his willingness to get stuck in as defensive qualities.

We don't have a DM apart from King.

 

[Bobishism]

Zok isn't the problem. Hud and Modric is.

The guy that was creating stuff early on? Yeah, he's the problem.

 

[phil]

OHara is an attacking midfielder. Dont mistake his willingness to get stuck in as defensive qualities.

We don't have a DM apart from King.

And so was Tainio when we signed him but he adapted to the role. Both players have similar qualities - they are very disciplined players (they follow the manager's instructions), good positionally and can tackle. Name another current Spurs midfielder with those qualities.

Huddlestone, Zokora and Jenas are not disciplined enough for the role and have poor positional sense.

 

[gibbs131]

The guy that was creating stuff early on? Yeah, he's the problem.

What did he create exactly? He crated a huge hole for Barry to piss all over him the whole time he was on the pitch.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

They are both strollers.

They both mark space well

Neither read the game well or spot danger before it happens

Neither can tackle but simply shadow the opposition players from about 5 yards away

Thudd is so slow an imobile a decent side can simply pass round him

These 2 should never ever start together.

We hear all the time the you have to earn the right to play, well with these 2 in central midfield that will never happen against decent opposition. It was all too easy against the powder puff pair.

 

[SpurSince57]

No kidding!

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Huddlestone cannot play in a 442. It's as simple as that. If nothing else a CM in a 442 needs to be mobile.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Huddlestone cannot play in a 442. It's as simple as that. If nothing else a CM in a 442 needs to be mobile.

He's a luxury player we cant afford and he's not good enough a player to have 1 or 2 running round for him, picking up loose balls

Really hoped he'd become a LEG but no mobility no bottle no balls no winning mentality = no good .......no matter how much ability

 

[hybridsoldier]

I think people stil backing Modric are relly watching with rose tinted glasses, very classy player but the prem is passing him by. The oppo know to get stuck into him and it messes his game up. He needs to study people like Fabregas who are not so big who create space for themselves and play the ball quickly and dont dwell too much. We knew Luka has the ability to deliver the ball, he just seems to dwell too long.

Problem with THFC is the forwards, for a number of years we had Robbie Keane who created ALOT for the team, then we had Dimitar Berbatov who did the same. Forget the goal stats, check the assist stats for these two.

Now we have changed the system to something more flexible as in we can rotate strikers and dont have to rely on A & B like we did with berbs and keane. Now the creative responsibility has gone to Modric in chief, and whoever plays from Bentley, Giovani and Lennon.

Didi Zokora and Jenas' roles are win the ball and give it to the forward players. Hudd is piss poor ball winner which is why he didnt work in this formation. Most of his good work comes from deeper, so he cant play behind the forward like Modric...does he even fit in our formation?

 

[Bristol Coys]

Would we be better off converting THudd to a ball playing Centre half?

Goods shout about O'Hara. Perhaps we should go el Tel's 4-3-2-1 Xmas tree formation.
--------------- Gomes ----------------
Hutton -- Corluka --- Woody ----- Bale
--Jenas --------Zokora------ O'Hara
-------Lennon ----------Gio
------------- Bent / Pav --------

 

[thebenjamin]

I'm absolutely amazed that Zokora is still at the club. He must have some photos of Levy or Ramos doing something untoward. Astonishingly bad player, gets worse every season when you think he can't go any lower

 

[fortworthspur]

Hudd certainly got abused on the first goal, and somehow Bale was left marking two inside the box. Its mind boggling to me how guys that have played for 15 or 20 years can forget the basics after 5 minutes.

 

[General Levy]

Finally some are seeing what I've been saying all along since I've been posting on here.

[x] Dawson is shit. Heart on the sleeve bollocks who cares?

[x] Huddlestone isnt good enough and will never been due to fundamental weaknesses - cant run, poor positional sense cannot tackle etc...

[x] Zokora cannot play in a 4-4-2 formation. He is totally pointless in a flat 4-4-2.