The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - The Knee Trembler Edition 9th July 2013

robbiedee · Jul 9, 2013

robin09 said:
But now you've revealed you're the other bloke at the pub!

no really...it's quite a popular pub....

robin09 · Jul 9, 2013

robbiedee said:
no really...it's quite a popular pub....

I know, I'm the guy who gives you the inside scoop on spurs info.

mpickard2087 · Jul 9, 2013

Mr Pink said:
Absolutely. As if Levy isn't going to try and get the best possible deal for the Club anyway. I swear somebody said they'd be all for it at 18 million but not 20 million lol I mean seriously. Imagine the shock and horror to that poor gent if we managed to sign him for 20 million, broken hearted I tell ye!!!

What annoys me is the seeming inability (bar a couple of exceptions, I'm not counting well-known players like Vertonghen, Lloris and even maybe Sandro who had won the South American equivalent of the Champions League) to ~~find these players~~ nah scratch that, find isn't the right word because its rare you stumble across a player that other clubs don't know about, its the inability to look at these players, usually in the less prestigious leagues, in accordance with what we need and identify that said unheralded player has the skill type which will provide a good fit in that position and scope to improve further and be a success for us.

With our finances it would make much more sense to get players such as Benteke in a stepping stone earlier in their career, rather than get shafted for an extra 15-20 million 1-2 years down the line.

talkshowhost86 · Jul 9, 2013

AUSpur said:
Gotcha, and don't necessarily disagree. What we don't know, though, is if they were mutually exclusive targets or we've "moved on" to Benteke because he's now formally requested a transfer. So rude of the club not to just send us all a list of who we're after

Agreed. It should be posted on the official site.

I suppose there is a chance we were going for both but the ITK has certainly been framed as if it was either Villa or Benteke, and if thats the case I think it makes us look a bit scattered.

Mullers · Jul 9, 2013

I'd be interested to know who has chosen Benetke as a target. Baldini? AVB? Levy? I thought bringing Baldini would mean more scouting for players with potential and bringing them in.

allatsea · Jul 9, 2013

Mullers said:
I'd be interested to know who has chosen Benetke as a target. Baldini? AVB? Levy? I thought bringing Baldini would mean more scouting for players with potential and bringing them in.

I bet you believe it was Levy ? Am I right ?

markiespurs · Jul 9, 2013

mpickard2087 said:
What annoys me is the seeming inability (bar a couple of exceptions, I'm not counting well-known players like Vertonghen, Lloris and even maybe Sandro who had won the South American equivalent of the Champions League) to ~~find these players~~ nah scratch that, find isn't the right word because its rare you stumble across a player that other clubs don't know about, its the inability to look at these players, usually in the less prestigious leagues, in accordance with what we need and identify that said unheralded player has the skill type which will provide a good fit in that position and scope to improve further and be a success for us.

With our finances it would make much more sense to get players such as Benteke in a stepping stone earlier in their career, rather than get shafted for an extra 15-20 million 1-2 years down the line.

Hopefully this will be one of the things Baldini will bring to the table

Gedson100 · Jul 9, 2013

Mullers said:
I'd be interested to know who has chosen Benetke as a target. Baldini? AVB? Levy? I thought bringing Baldini would mean more scouting for players with potential and bringing them in.

Pure speculation but Benteke sings 'Committee' at me whereas Jedvaj and Halilovic are chorusing 'Baldini'

Disconosebleed · Jul 9, 2013

mpickard2087 said:
What annoys me is the seeming inability (bar a couple of exceptions, I'm not counting well-known players like Vertonghen, Lloris and even maybe Sandro who had won the South American equivalent of the Champions League) to ~~find these players~~ nah scratch that, find isn't the right word because its rare you stumble across a player that other clubs don't know about, its the inability to look at these players, usually in the less prestigious leagues, in accordance with what we need and identify that said unheralded player has the skill type which will provide a good fit in that position and scope to improve further and be a success for us.

With our finances it would make much more sense to get players such as Benteke in a stepping stone earlier in their career, rather than get shafted for an extra 15-20 million 1-2 years down the line.

What exactly are you expecting, that we pick up a world class player that no one else knows about for £250k? Scouting networks are so vast now that it is almost impossible to be a very good/potentially very good player without every major club in Europe knowing about you. Calculated, minimal risks on notable talents from smaller leagues for sizeable but not extortionate fees like Sandro, Vertonghen and Modric are about as good as it gets in modern football.

It's all well and good saying we should have signed Benteke as a kid when you've just seen him score 20 goals in his debut PL season, but that ignores all the players who are signed as kids and DON'T make it. What you're demanding is the equivalent of going onto Football Manager having played ten seasons on a previous game, and signing every young kid that turned into a superstar.

Mullers · Jul 9, 2013

allatsea said:
I bet you believe it was Levy ? Am I right ?

yep.

Mullers · Jul 9, 2013

jair1970 said:
Pure speculation but Benteke sings 'Committee' at me whereas Jedvaj and Halilovic are chorusing 'Baldini'

Are we still doing this 'committee' now that we've brought in Baldini?

mpickard2087 · Jul 9, 2013

Disconosebleed said:
What exactly are you expecting, that we pick up a world class player that no one else knows about for £250k? Scouting networks are so vast now that it is almost impossible to be a very good/potentially very good player without every major club in Europe knowing about you. Calculated, minimal risks on notable talents from smaller leagues for sizeable but not extortionate fees like Sandro, Vertonghen and Modric are about as good as it gets in modern football.

Yes of course that is what I am suggesting

We should be able to have a group of young players identified that we feel could do a solid job for us and improve further, so we have a number of options available to us. This is where I think we can improve. Too many times I feel if plan A doesn't work and we don't get that player, there's no real back up and we end up panicking, plucking names out of thin air and ending up with deadline day rush deals for the likes of Dempsey.

coysjod · Jul 9, 2013

Babylon22 said:
How about giving Holtby a chance? If we don't buy a striker because "the fee is too high" , the Paulinho signing can't be justified.

I am sure Holtby will be getting his chance.

Last season we struggled whenever Dembele was out and when Sandro got injured, we bought Paulinho that can cover both positions as well as play alongside mentioned players.

Levy didn't keep the receit so there will be no return anyway so just live with it will you.

Nocando · Jul 9, 2013

Disconosebleed said:
What exactly are you expecting, that we pick up a world class player that no one else knows about for £250k? Scouting networks are so vast now that it is almost impossible to be a very good/potentially very good player without every major club in Europe knowing about you. Calculated, minimal risks on notable talents from smaller leagues for sizeable but not extortionate fees like Sandro, Vertonghen and Modric are about as good as it gets in modern football.

Thats not entirely true. Esp as a few head scout (inc our very own) didnt know who tonny vilhena is, for example. They cant be expected to cover every player.

Gedson100 · Jul 9, 2013

Mullers said:
Are we still doing this 'committee' now that we've brought in Baldini?

I'd be surprised if we weren't.
Baldini strikes me as someone who has been brought in for negotiations, for contacts and to expand or compliment what we've got, maybe give Levy some respite. Ultimately I suspect that our transfer strategy is still built from a team of people.
Those people will have been working on strategy prior to Baldini, and it might be next year, if at all, that Baldini has any kind of primary influence.

BPR_U16 · Jul 9, 2013

mpickard2087 said:
Yes of course that is what I am suggesting

We should be able to have a group of young players identified that we feel could do a solid job for us and improve further, so we have a number of options available to us. This is where I think we can improve. Too many times I feel if plan A doesn't work and we don't get that player, there's no real back up and we end up panicking, plucking names out of thin air and ending up with deadline day rush deals for the likes of Dempsey.

I think we often have plans a, b + c - but by the time plan a doesn't work we've spent so long on it that b + c are no longer doable .

nicdic · Jul 9, 2013

[email protected] said:
Nah, no buying that, mate. I'm pretty sure if Levy wanted Suarez, he'd be a Spurs player whether Harry rated him or not. There was plenty of talk that AVB didn't fancy Dempsey, and yet he's one of ours.

Redknapp outright said he turned it down because he was too like VDV.

nicdic · Jul 9, 2013

Although he blamed it on our scouts in the end.

Maybe that's why we now use Liverpool's?

Mullers · Jul 9, 2013

jair1970 said:
I'd be surprised if we weren't.
Baldini strikes me as someone who has been brought in for negotiations, for contacts and to expand or compliment what we've got, maybe give Levy some respite. Ultimately I suspect that our transfer strategy is still built from a team of people.
Those people will have been working on strategy prior to Baldini, and it might be next year, if at all, that Baldini has any kind of primary influence.

So basically a Levy puppet.

dagraham · Jul 9, 2013

mpickard2087 said:
What annoys me is the seeming inability (bar a couple of exceptions, I'm not counting well-known players like Vertonghen, Lloris and even maybe Sandro who had won the South American equivalent of the Champions League) to ~~find these players~~ nah scratch that, find isn't the right word because its rare you stumble across a player that other clubs don't know about, its the inability to look at these players, usually in the less prestigious leagues, in accordance with what we need and identify that said unheralded player has the skill type which will provide a good fit in that position and scope to improve further and be a success for us.

With our finances it would make much more sense to get players such as Benteke in a stepping stone earlier in their career, rather than get shafted for an extra 15-20 million 1-2 years down the line.

Unfortunately, this is why that 'orrible lot down the road struck gold when they appointed Wenger.

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