Christian Benteke

Kaboul'sForehead · Jul 12, 2013

If the signing of Benteke does go through, then one issue I think that needs to be addressed is not the purchase of a wideman that plays as an inside forward (i.e Chadli to replace Bale's former LW position) but someone who can seriously cross the ball well too...as Benteke is a seriously big dude and will be even more monstrous with a good delivery to his head in the box....

I mean for god sake, his forehead is almost as large as Kaboul's...this should be utilised.

EnfieldYiddo · Jul 12, 2013

Snarfalicious said:
£22-23m to add Benteke (£20-22m) and Oliveira (£1m loan fee) would be some good business. Especially if the buy option for Oliveira is only £5m. Oliveira's got a shit-ton of talent and he could easily be a breakout player for us in the Europa/Cup matches.

Doesn't really address our left wing problem though does it? I'm still transfixed on Bernard; might have to let it go.

I'd be all for Benteke, Oliveira and Defoe as our 3 strikers... Be a shame to see Ade go, technically speaking and striking wise only Berbatov has eclipsed him in the last decade for us.

Snarfalicious · Jul 12, 2013

EnfieldYiddo said:
Doesn't really address our left wing problem though does it? I'm still transfixed on Bernard; might have to let it go.

I'd be all for Benteke, Oliveira and Defoe as our 3 strikers... Be a shame to see Ade go, technically speaking and striking wise only Berbatov has eclipsed him in the last decade for us.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Oliveira as an option out wide. He's got enough pace to make it work and he's definitely got the dribbling ability. That being said, I still wouldn't rule out Chadli as our LF/RF/Emergency Striker, either. Especially if we brought him in and saw Dempsey sold.

Snarfalicious · Jul 12, 2013

Kaboul'sForehead said:
If the signing of Benteke does go through, then one issue I think that needs to be addressed is not the purchase of a wideman that plays as an inside forward (i.e Chadli to replace Bale's former LW position) but someone who can seriously cross the ball well too...as Benteke is a seriously big dude and will be even more monstrous with a good delivery to his head in the box....

I mean for god sake, his forehead is almost as large as Kaboul's...this should be utilised.

Chadli actually has a really good final ball with either foot. He's much more useful with both feet than Bale. But, if Bale can produce those outside of the boot crosses that he did on occasion, or the cut back on the left away from the byline and curl in crosses from the right, we will be just fine. Also, Walker and whoever our LB is will hopefully be adding more to the attack as well with our enforcing midfield. Unfortunately, Walker isn't a a very good crosser of the ball.

sbrustad · Jul 12, 2013

I really like Benteke but I must say I worry about the price we're being quoted by Aston Villa. He joined them as a relatively unknown player for £7 million last year and had a good season for a poor Villa team. Now he's suddenly "worth" £25 million?

He's a good player with lots of potential obviously, but I'd like to see him play another season in Premier League before I'd be comfortable spending north of £20 million on him. It's pretty clear we do need a striker though, and I'm also sure the clubs scouts, Franco Baldini and AVB knows a hell of a lot more than me about signing players. I'm just slightly worried about being lumbered with a failure for the next 4 to 5 years.

Pete Spur · Jul 13, 2013

Kaboul'sForehead said:
If the signing of Benteke does go through, then one issue I think that needs to be addressed is not the purchase of a wideman that plays as an inside forward (i.e Chadli to replace Bale's former LW position) but someone who can seriously cross the ball well too...as Benteke is a seriously big dude and will be even more monstrous with a good delivery to his head in the box....

I mean for god sake, his forehead is almost as large as Kaboul's...this should be utilised.

David Bentley???

matthew.absurdum · Jul 13, 2013

sbrustad said:
I really like Benteke but I must say I worry about the price we're being quoted by Aston Villa. He joined them as a relatively unknown player for £7 million last year and had a good season for a poor Villa team. Now he's suddenly "worth" £25 million?

He's a good player with lots of potential obviously, but I'd like to see him play another season in Premier League before I'd be comfortable spending north of £20 million on him. It's pretty clear we do need a striker though, and I'm also sure the clubs scouts, Franco Baldini and AVB knows a hell of a lot more than me about signing players. I'm just slightly worried about being lumbered with a failure for the next 4 to 5 years.

Safe to say, if he was an England player, his price tag would be more than 35M, and Liverpool would get him at 40M :LOL:

Mr Pink · Jul 13, 2013

sbrustad said:
I really like Benteke but I must say I worry about the price we're being quoted by Aston Villa. He joined them as a relatively unknown player for £7 million last year and had a good season for a poor Villa team. Now he's suddenly "worth" £25 million?

He's a good player with lots of potential obviously, but I'd like to see him play another season in Premier League before I'd be comfortable spending north of £20 million on him. It's pretty clear we do need a striker though, and I'm also sure the clubs scouts, Franco Baldini and AVB knows a hell of a lot more than me about signing players. I'm just slightly worried about being lumbered with a failure for the next 4 to 5 years.

And he scores 20-25 prem goals and they'll be quoting you 35 million plus.

I really can't seen Benteke just falling away. He has the ability and his physical prowess is absolutely immense. At 22 he's not going to lose those attributes anytime soon. If he were to flop it would be an attitude problem I reckon.

I mean think of the position we could be in if we sign him and he goes from strength to strength. That likelihood is high and that will be the driving force behind Levy's decision to pursue him IMO.

Ultimately if AVB wants him we trust his judgement, and let Levy take care of the rest.

arunspurs · Jul 13, 2013

There is nothing to suggest that Benteke will be just a one season wonder.

He scored 40% of Villa' goals last season. And that is something.

EnfieldYiddo · Jul 13, 2013

Snarfalicious said:
Chadli actually has a really good final ball with either foot. He's much more useful with both feet than Bale. But, if Bale can produce those outside of the boot crosses that he did on occasion, or the cut back on the left away from the byline and curl in crosses from the right, we will be just fine. Also, Walker and whoever our LB is will hopefully be adding more to the attack as well with our enforcing midfield. Unfortunately, Walker isn't a a very good crosser of the ball.

I really can't get excited about Chadli. Quite a few people here have formed an opinion on him based on seeing him play and I think only one seems genuinely enthused about us signing him. Surely even a youth player can do a job as squad depth for LW if we're really going to be only signing players who don't add immediate first team quality?

I've only seen one match of Oliveira but for the prices being discussed he is definitely worth the risk; just have to wonder why the Benfica management don't rate him.

Kaboul'sForehead · Jul 13, 2013

Don't get me wrong, Chadli DOES have a notable ability with both feet and a decent cross on him, but our game needs to sway more to getting the ball to our danger man (hypothetically, in this case, Benteke) for goals, not relying on bale...too much reliance on Bale again for goals will mean the Big Boys will come sniffing for him again next season.

But then again, I have also been drinking cider all day in the sun. Sunstroke and intoxication may somewhat be blurring my judgement...but then again, it helped Fergie...

Snarfalicious · Jul 13, 2013

sbrustad said:
I really like Benteke but I must say I worry about the price we're being quoted by Aston Villa. He joined them as a relatively unknown player for £7 million last year and had a good season for a poor Villa team. Now he's suddenly "worth" £25 million?

He's a good player with lots of potential obviously, but I'd like to see him play another season in Premier League before I'd be comfortable spending north of £20 million on him. It's pretty clear we do need a striker though, and I'm also sure the clubs scouts, Franco Baldini and AVB knows a hell of a lot more than me about signing players. I'm just slightly worried about being lumbered with a failure for the next 4 to 5 years.

I think as long as he stays healthy for us, he's going to score goals. I mean, we had some woefully bad production from our strikers last season.

Adebayor : 1597 minutes played – 5 goals (1 goal/315 minutes)
Defoe: 2409 minutes played – 11 goals (1 goal/219 minutes)
Benteke : 2819 minutes played 19 goals (1 goal/148 minutes)

Benteke may have come from a poor squad in which he was the focal point, but he would also be coming to a club with better talent around him which will equate to more chances created and he will also benefit from the focus of defenses being on Bale. Quite frankly, I think if you put Benteke into our squad he will actually look even better than he did for Villa.

Pete Spur · Jul 13, 2013

arunspurs said:
There is nothing to suggest that Benteke will be just a one season wonder.

He scored 40% of Villa' goals last season. And that is something.

I worry that he won't get nearly as much space playing for us as at Villa. Teams park the bus against us were as at Villa he got plenty of space playing on the counter as Villa were usually up against it. I just really don't want to see us getting burned for 20+ mil.

sbrustad · Jul 13, 2013

Mr Pink said:
And he scores 20-25 prem goals and they'll be quoting you 35 million.

I really can't seen Benteke just falling away. He has the ability and his physical prowess is absolutely immense. At 22 he's not going to lose those attributes anytime soon. If he were to flop it would be an attitude problem I reckon.

I mean think of the position we could be in if we sign him and he goes from strength to strength. That likelihood is high and that will be the driving force behind Levy's decision to pursue him IMO.

Ultimately if AVB wants him we trust his judgement, and let Levy take care of the rest.

That's true but your post underlines my point of it being a risk. You just never know with these things, and that's why I think £20-25 million is a big gamble. The club has been good at hitting more often than they miss with transfers, but we do have some very expensive blemishes on the record as well, like Bentley. At £20 million he probably won't get much time before fickle supporters gets on his back either, as we'll be smashing our transfer record to get him in. I sort of imagine a seasoned player like Villa or Negredo or Soldado or whoever else we've been linked with can handle that sort of pressure a bit better.

Still, if he comes to us I'd say the odds of him succeeding are far bigger than the opposite. I still worry a tiny bit though.

Garyspurs · Jul 13, 2013

Snarfalicious said:
I think as long as he stays healthy for us, he's going to score goals. I mean, we had some woefully bad production from our strikers last season.

Adebayor : 1597 minutes played – 5 goals (1 goal/315 minutes)
Defoe: 2409 minutes played – 11 goals (1 goal/219 minutes)
Benteke : 2819 minutes played 19 goals (1 goal/148 minutes)

Benteke may have come from a poor squad in which he was the focal point, but he would also be coming to a club with better talent around him which will equate to more chances created and he will also benefit from the focus of defenses being on Bale. Quite frankly, I think if you put Benteke into our squad he will actually look even better than he did for Villa.

I'm very much in the same mindset as you. With the acquisition of Benteke and say Bernard I would say we would see an even better Benteke, potentially and even better Bale and fundamentally a more successful spurs side.

Mr Pink · Jul 13, 2013

sbrustad said:
That's true but your post underlines my point of it being a risk. You just never know with these things, and that's why I think £20-25 million is a big gamble. The club has been good at hitting more often than they miss with transfers, but we do have some very expensive blemishes on the record as well, like Bentley. At £20 million he probably won't get much time before fickle supporters gets on his back either, as we'll be smashing our transfer record to get him in. I sort of imagine a seasoned player like Villa or Negredo or Soldado or whoever else we've been linked with can take the pressure a bit better.

Still, if he comes to us I'd say the odds of him succeeding are far bigger than the opposite. I still worry a tiny bit though.

Yeah to true mate, every transfer is a risk. Suppose we just have to trust the judgement within the Club.

I'd be very surprised if it went very badly. Even if he had an average season and we felt he wasn't the way forward, again something I really doubt, we'd still be able to recoup a significant chunk of the out lay given his age and off the back of what he did this season.

Snarfalicious · Jul 13, 2013

Garyspurs said:
I'm very much in the same mindset as you. With the acquisition of Benteke and say Bernard I would say we would see an even better Benteke, potentially and even better Bale and fundamentally a more successful spurs side.

If I'm AVB, my main focus is spreading out the goal-scoring burden across the squad. Paulinho could help that with his goals from midfield and bringing in Benteke would obviously help that, too. I just hope we are going for a more balanced squad that has a sustainable recipe for success (as opposed to the Bale wonder striker at the end of a match).

arunspurs · Jul 13, 2013

Pete Spur said:
I worry that he won't get nearly as much space playing for us as at Villa. Teams park the bus against us were as at Villa he got plenty of space playing on the counter as Villa were usually up against it. I just really don't want to see us getting burned for 20+ mil.

Isnt the whole point of looking for a 20m forward is that he finds space and scores ?

This is Weimann's goal at Anfield set up by back heel by Benteke.

His link up play will do the trick for us....

Mr Pink · Jul 13, 2013

That goal above, was my favourite of the season. They always go for the spectacular individual efforts....there really should be a best team goal catergory!!! loved it!!!

Kaboul'sForehead · Jul 13, 2013

I'm very much in the same mindset as you. With the acquisition of Benteke and say Bernard I would say we would see an even better Benteke, potentially and even better Bale and fundamentally a more successful spurs side.

Bernard is not only an unquestionably bright talent for the future but also in the present. HOWEVER, I worry he may be too tiny (despite his ability to shimmy players even at 20yrs old) for the Prem...even Messi would not be the same player if he were in the far more physical Prem.

Don't get me wrong, Modric was also tiny and was awesome for us here, but he also looked like a 8 year old girl and so people were scared to go in for crunching tackles against him in fear of being reported to Childline. Apparently...

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