TheAmerican
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Doesn't seem to stop Messi from tearing apart English teams in the Champions League.
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Doesn't seem to stop Messi from tearing apart English teams in the Champions League.
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I'm very much in the same mindset as you. With the acquisition of Benteke and say Bernard I would say we would see an even better Benteke, potentially and even better Bale and fundamentally a more successful spurs side.
Agreed but I cannot see us spending close to 45m on 2 players in one window .
If other money bags don't come for him, we could get Benteke. I guess for the wing forward, we will probably look at a player in range of 7 or 8 million.
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Only worry is can pace and power substitute for guile and creativity on days when teams are camped on their box? Hence why I think AVB will utilise players such as Holtby/Carroll in favour of Sandro/Dembele
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you know we have the Lord Master of the shift and shoot already.
nice dummy however
MirinJaw
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tbf Messi only looked good vs Arsenal and Manchester United who i would hardly call physical sides....
whenever he has come up against the chavs he seems to get kicked out of the game (and miss a fooking penalty that costs us Champions league football)
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Lloris' Left Peg
Kaboul's Forehead
and one other addition in the past couple of days, with a similar name that I can't quite remember.
forgive me but that seems a little................ strange. Welcome none the less
Anyways, to the subject at hand, I've seen a few people say it and I have to firmly agree. One month ago our targets looked like Villa (8m) and Bernard (18-20m). With the loss of Villa, things are suddenly looking like Benteke (20m) and Chadli (7-8m). Could just be a coincidence but it seems to me that Villa was a top priority for AVB before we even turned our head to thinking about another striker later in the window. When we lost him that seemed to put things into a tailspin and Benteke looks like he is AVB's new favoured option for getting right now. It seems logical that the increased money for Benteke has maybe caused us to quell our Bernard interest and look for a cheaper option for LW/LF.
Hope I'm wrong, and I do always argue against the notion of finances being linear and 'x' amount sitting in a bank account like a 'warchest', but we will have an idea in mind as to how much we would like to spend this window, irregardless of treating each deal individually on its merits when electing whether to spend or not.
Kaboul's Forehead
and one other addition in the past couple of days, with a similar name that I can't quite remember.
forgive me but that seems a little................ strange. Welcome none the less
Anyways, to the subject at hand, I've seen a few people say it and I have to firmly agree. One month ago our targets looked like Villa (8m) and Bernard (18-20m). With the loss of Villa, things are suddenly looking like Benteke (20m) and Chadli (7-8m). Could just be a coincidence but it seems to me that Villa was a top priority for AVB before we even turned our head to thinking about another striker later in the window. When we lost him that seemed to put things into a tailspin and Benteke looks like he is AVB's new favoured option for getting right now. It seems logical that the increased money for Benteke has maybe caused us to quell our Bernard interest and look for a cheaper option for LW/LF.
Hope I'm wrong, and I do always argue against the notion of finances being linear and 'x' amount sitting in a bank account like a 'warchest', but we will have an idea in mind as to how much we would like to spend this window, irregardless of treating each deal individually on its merits when electing whether to spend or not.
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Yes I agree mate, AVB still has options to fiddle with. Holtby et al could feature more in home games where more incision is required. In fact I can see Holtby featuring a lot as the most advanced of a midfield three at home against teams who are sitting deep.
Personally I think we'll have tremendous options to call on and I think we'll see a lot more from Holtby, and Sig, this season.
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Lloris' Left Peg
Kaboul's Forehead
and one other addition in the past couple of days, with a similar name that I can't quite remember.
forgive me but that seems a little................ strange. Welcome none the less
Anyways, to the subject at hand, I've seen a few people say it and I have to firmly agree. One month ago our targets looked like Villa (8m) and Bernard (18-20m). With the loss of Villa, things are suddenly looking like Benteke (20m) and Chadli (7-8m). Could just be a coincidence but it seems to me that Villa was a top priority for AVB before we even turned our head to thinking about another striker later in the window. When we lost him that seemed to put things into a tailspin and Benteke looks like he is AVB's new favoured option for getting right now. It seems logical that the increased money for Benteke has maybe caused us to quell our Bernard interest and look for a cheaper option for LW/LF.
Hope I'm wrong, and I do always argue against the notion of finances being linear and 'x' amount sitting in a bank account like a 'warchest', but we will have an idea in mind as to how much we would like to spend this window, irregardless of treating each deal individually on its merits when electing whether to spend or not.
Can see why you're going down that route for sure but its not entirely out of the question that we would of pursued Benteke anyway. Villa nearly 32 and can play on the left of an attacking three as well. Also we might of entertained the notion of selling Ade and Defoe.
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Paulinho would hopefully help us against teams sitting deep as well. Sit as deep as you like, it's a nightmare for a defence to predict where and when a runner from midfield will attack.
But Benteke and Chadli (as depth at least) will do me.
Bale, Lennon, Townsend, Chadli and possibly Gylfi as wide options. Hardly world beating, Bale aside, but varied and talented enough to give us options and goals from the side, imo.
Benteke would get 20 goals in our side.
But Benteke and Chadli (as depth at least) will do me.
Bale, Lennon, Townsend, Chadli and possibly Gylfi as wide options. Hardly world beating, Bale aside, but varied and talented enough to give us options and goals from the side, imo.
Benteke would get 20 goals in our side.
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Indeed ! There are many different routes that we could yet still go down, and I am a keen believer in our funds not being a set amount and that we have good credit, collaterol, money sitting there if a good deal comes along, I just think that maybe we view the window in stages and alot a rough idea of an amount of money to it. Right now we are still in the stages of 'addressing our major needs'. Certainly, with potential player sales and opportunities maybe presenting themselves, we could easily see other players still coming in, and not necessarily uber cheap ones.
You can't really compare Messi to Bernard. We wouldn't even be discussing buying him if he was in the same league.
FYI Messi is 5 ft 7. Bernard is 5 ft 4.
Mr Pink
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Yeah exactly. Its nowhere near as black and white as many of us fans like to think. Far more shades of grey in there!
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Shit, this is awkward. I'm on my mobile and tried to press 'agree'. I hope you can forgive me! I'll try to get rid of the neg rep when I'm at my laptop! Sorry bro!
TheAmerican
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I am just arguing against limitation by size. Talent is talent and it will succeed in any league.
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cross ball in box 30 times, benteke scores 3 headers. simples.
MirinJaw
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lol Adebayor would probably score more headers if he wasn't standing out wide next to the bloody wingers!
EnfieldYiddo
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Ade is the most pussy header of the ball for someone of his stature! I'd hate to see his aerial duel stats Jesus Christ.
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Another interesting stat when comparing these strikers:
Adebayor: 1597 minutes played - 615 passes made / 81% accuracy - 27 chances created (2 clear cut)
Defoe: 2409 minutes played - 437 passes made / 85% accuracy - 31 chances created (2 clear cut)
Benteke: 2819 minutes played - 1142 passes made / 65% accuracy (!) - 53 chances created (10 clear cut)
Shots / shots on target:
Adebayor: 42/19
Defoe: 108/41
Benteke: 104/43
So, what do these stats tell us? I've not included the passing zones, but most (85% or so) of their passes were made in the final third. It's pretty clear that Benteke is a lot more involved in play, but even though he attempted nearly three times more passes than Defoe their shots to minutes played ratio is pretty similar. Bentekes low passing accuracy could be due to the fact that Villa often had to play on the break, and the fact that they were extremely poor for most of last season. They don't have the kind of intelligent players we do that make space and move around either, so I'd expect this part of his game to improve if he comes to us.
You say that if we put Benteke into our squad he'll look even better, and while I am inclined to agree with that let's not forget that in the 2011/12 season Sigurdsson looked like one of Europes best attacking mids for Swansea but he faded when he came to us. Some of this obviously due to tactical differences, but also because players get much less room playing for us. He won't get the chance to exploit opposition defences like he did for Villa. Playing against two banks of four defenders that turn out only to get a point is a different proposition to playing opponents expecting to grab three points off you.
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