Vincent Janssen signs for Spurs!
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Luka Van der Bale
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This isn't really the case. Last season was a real danger but English sides comfortably outperformed the Italian; with the investment from the big guns this summer, it would be very surprising if that didn't continue this coming season. There's about 8 sides in England that would comfortably finish in the top 2 in Italy.
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Ok hojbjerg is announced by Southampton who had medical this afternoon the same time as Janssen and we delay announcement.
Hojbjerg is a great signing for 12 mill
Hojbjerg is a great signing for 12 mill
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We're not in a race with anyone to announce though. These things are all about being thorough and making sure everything is tickity boo.
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And tomorrow is bin and recycling day here in North London, and Wednesday is food waste day, so Thursday soonest you reckon?
Spurs1960
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How can you be a flop until you prove otherwise?
Until a player finises his tenure at a club they can't be judged.
Simple, if you have a season and don't perform you are a flop, if you turn that around you can become a success. You can't be a success if you are not performing.
With that reckoning no manager can pick a player, he has to decide whether he is a flop or not. Is Fazio a success or can't we decide yet, Pochettino isn't picking him.
If you can't decide until the end of a contract then no player should be sold because it is premature to judge.
Of course a player can be a flop before the end of his contract, he isn't a success until he proves he is.
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5 million euros so £3.5m at the time
Spurs1960
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So do we go above the Italians when the Spurs romp to Champions League victory this season?
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Why does the argument have to be so black and white though...I know it's uncommon these days but you know you can use some middle ground when judging a player. Has Lamela become a flop to then turn into a success over the last couple of seasons? Was Roberto Firmino a flop in his first 4 months at Liverpool? Was Modric a flop in his first season with us, likewise Bale?...The argument doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
In regards to Fazio we got what we can out of him, wouldn't call him an out and out flop because there were no such high expectations of him but it's kinda obvious that Fazio will be off as we loaned him out last season and we are actively trying to sale...bad example
So the point is that the jury is still well and truly out on Memphis Depay as he's had a tough first season, that doesn't make him a flop, it just means that you shouldn't be so quick to judge, we've seen it time and time again with players who manage to turn their form around due to change off management, lets not be so quick to judge eh?
This. Depay is obviously a quality player given his record in the Dutch league. He came into a Man U squad devoid of confidence and under huge pressure with a mentalist in charge who'd obviously lost the dressing room and the plot. I'd take him or Schneiderlin at Spurs in a second. They've not become bad players overnight.Why does the argument have to be so black and white though...I know it's uncommon these days but you know you can use some middle ground when judging a player. Has Lamela become a flop to then turn into a success over the last couple of seasons? Was Roberto Firmino a flop in his first 4 months at Liverpool? Was Modric a flop in his first season with us, likewise Bale?...The argument doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
In regards to Fazio we got what we can out of him, wouldn't call him an out and out flop because there were no such high expectations of him but it's kinda obvious that Fazio will be off as we loaned him out last season and we are actively trying to sale...bad example
So the point is that the jury is still well and truly out on Memphis Depay as he's had a tough first season, that doesn't make him a flop, it just means that you shouldn't be so quick to judge, we've seen it time and time again with players who manage to turn their form around due to change off management, lets not be so quick to judge eh?
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We are already above Italy. Whether we could overtake the Germans would depend on how well their clubs do compared to our. If we were to win the CL (dreaming here, i is really unlikely) with other EL clubs doing well, then both B Munich & B. Dortmund were to go out in the group stages (again, very unlikely), we could overtake them. That said there are too many variations to work out the different possibilities, but the EL clubs have to out perform the German league clubs to overtake them in the co-efficients.
Spurs1960
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Why does the argument have to be so black and white though...I know it's uncommon these days but you know you can use some middle ground when judging a player. Has Lamela become a flop to then turn into a success over the last couple of seasons? Was Roberto Firmino a flop in his first 4 months at Liverpool? Was Modric a flop in his first season with us, likewise Bale?...The argument doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
In regards to Fazio we got what we can out of him, wouldn't call him an out and out flop because there were no such high expectations of him but it's kinda obvious that Fazio will be off as we loaned him out last season and we are actively trying to sale...bad example
So the point is that the jury is still well and truly out on Memphis Depay as he's had a tough first season, that doesn't make him a flop, it just means that you shouldn't be so quick to judge, we've seen it time and time again with players who manage to turn their form around due to change off management, lets not be so quick to judge eh?
lamela was undoubtedly a flop until Pochettino got into his head and turned his time at Tottenham round last season. A season is plenty of time to judge a player, that isn't to say you automatically dispense with them. They can have something you haven't found the key to, as in Lamela. I hadn't assessed Bale as a flop myself or Modric.
Fazio is an excellent example. He hasn't come to the end of his contract and under your view can not be determined tobe a success or failure. The fact that he was hardly picked last season, and he has won several Europa League titles, so more most definately was expected of him, tells you Pochettino has marked him down as a flop. Stambouli only lasted a season, why are we judging a player after a season? Answer, because you can.
Yes there are grey areas, yes there may be potential, but the bottom lin is has a player succeeded. A player has to be assessed in back and white for a decision to be made, Poch makes that decision, supporters view players in thta way.
I think you may be getting confused that a flop must be sold or is permanently a flop, which isn't the case, as I pointed out previously.
Depay was a flop last season, no question about it. Can he improve, yes, if he can channel his mental game and stop having changing room bust ups.
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Yes it wasn't a serious question.
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Exactly. Manager's included. Roy Hodgson managed to make Kane look like a flop in the Euro's
Shadydan
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I think you have the wrong definition of flop there fella, a flop literally means to fail completely, again you cannot fail completely if you're judging a player over a temporary time period.
I take your point about players not reaching expectations in their first season but labeling them flops is the wrong terminology IMO.
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F*cking Levy...
Spurs1960
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I have nowhere used the term completely. As I point out, you are incorrectly assuming a player has to be judged over a contract, when in fact he has to be constantly assessed and judged. Managers and clubs judge a player over the short term, so it therefore fully justified.
Dele Alli's contract is not finished so does that mean he can't be judged a success until it is? Principle is the same.
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Well if we pull this off, It'll be our greatest signing since Wanyama
Shadydan
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I'm not incorrectly assuming, we just merely have different definitions of what a flop is. This is kinda the point you haven't used the term completely but that is literally what a flop means, to make overall conclusion on the subject therefore it doesn't make any sense to cherry pick a section of a players career to make a judgement because the word you're using sums them up as a whole.
What if Delle Alli has 3 bad seasons, doesn't score any goals, get dropped from the first team, gets himself into trouble on and off the field etc...Are we still going to label him a success from 3 seasons prior? Same logic applies here.
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