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ComfortablyNumb

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Only going on the reports. Doesn't mean they're 100% accurate, just an observation. We seem to be looking at players then backtracking after failing to agree a fee a fair bit. Do Poch, or maybe as you say, the club officials in general, need to realise the market has changed. We generally have zero net spend, so all fees for purchased players are balanced by those sold, yet most of the clubs we're trying to compete with seem to ignore this, is it the owners writing off losses, or do they invest the vast sums of TV money whilst we don't. Can't argue it's done well to get us this far, but if the board truly have faith in the manager, maybe backing him a bit more will push us on to the next level.
As has been said a few times in different threads, this current Sky deal may be a peak in Prem revenue. The deal expires next year, and could be drastically lower thereafter. Could be that we are just being more rational than other clubs in covering that risk?
 

Shadydan

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That's both Foyth and Pereira written off by Poch as too expensive. Love Poch as a coach, but does he need to recalibrate his view of market valuations? This is the same window where we've sold Walker for £50m ish. £30m has been the standard valuation on PL players, so Pereira at £20m, doesn't seem that bad to me. His pace and versatility definitely seems like something that would improve our options.

You haven't paid attention to our manager enough if you think he's being completely truthful, he also said that Sissoko was in his first team plans so...I don't think those deals are off personally.
 

thelak

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Give Pereira's flexibility and pace I still think he'd be a great addition. Left wing back, right wing back or one of a three behind striker on either side. This would give great cover across the team.

Might even be better than Harry in goal in an emergency situation
 
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Only going on the reports. Doesn't mean they're 100% accurate, just an observation. We seem to be looking at players then backtracking after failing to agree a fee a fair bit. Do Poch, or maybe as you say, the club officials in general, need to realise the market has changed. We generally have zero net spend, so all fees for purchased players are balanced by those sold, yet most of the clubs we're trying to compete with seem to ignore this, is it the owners writing off losses, or do they invest the vast sums of TV money whilst we don't. Can't argue it's done well to get us this far, but if the board truly have faith in the manager, maybe backing him a bit more will push us on to the next level.
Totally agree with you mate! It just remains to be seen whether Levy will look to "invest the vast sums of TV money" you mention, or to reinvest some of £80 million raised in player sales to date in order to improve the squad? Personally I'm not confident mate. And I think we'll be spun the line that that's exclusively Poch's call; that he's happy with the squad, that he's happy to promote academy player, that he felt player X was too expensive at the price quoted.
 

GetSpurredOn

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You haven't paid attention to our manager enough if you think he's being completely truthful, he also said that Sissoko was in his first team plans so...I don't think those deals are off personally.

In truth I don't think they are 100% off either, as none have joined other clubs yet. I think it's just a bit of posturing to get the price down, likewise with Barkley and Lopez. I wouldn't be stunned at all to see all four join late in the window. But I just wonder what saving a couple of million in the grand scheme of things (admittedly not my money, so why would I care), what difference would it make to pay up and get the squad in and up to speed during preseason, rather than try to integrate after the season has started.

Whilst we are not Man City, Utd or Chelsea, equally we are not short of cash, and already £45m to the good after the initial Walker deal. Based on Walker, Fazio and Njie deals being announced this summer, plus Carroll in January, that's roughly £60m+ in credit currently, and does Bentaleb's sale also fall into this window? If so, that's approximately £80m, enough to buy Pereira (£20m), Foyth (£10m), Barkley (£25-30m) and Lopez (£3m) and still have money left over. Throw in a potential Sissoko fee, and there's enough left over to bring in the 3rd attacker fans crave, and still probably have cash left to reallocate to contract extensions etc.

Probably a very simplistic view, but then there's a reason I'm not a football chairman.
 
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Maybe not in the negotiations but sure he will have some input.

If there is for example a £50m transfer budget, he may not want to spend best part of half of it on a certain position or player.
For sure mate. But it's not his call at the end of the day, and there's only one person signing the cheque, so the decision on how much we spend in fees and wages, will ultimately lie with Levy; not Poch. I think it's just "spin" to suggest that Poch would ever be responsible for the failure to negotiate a transfer fee.
 

Air Jordan 3

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For sure mate. But it's not his call at the end of the day, and there's only one person signing the cheque, so the decision on how much we spend in fees and wages, will ultimately lie with Levy; not Poch. I think it's just "spin" to suggest that Poch would ever be responsible for the failure to negotiate a transfer fee.
Agree, he won't have anything to do with that part. May get asked if it's starts escalating way beyond what was expected.
 

kernowspurscoach1977

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Agree, he won't have anything to do with that part. May get asked if it's starts escalating way beyond what was expected.
I would imagine before they even start negotiating that a discussion (including poch) is had with a suggestion of the highest price they all believe the player is worth. They will all decide what price to stop bidding of that I am sure- just like poch will know his budget, he will of identified positions to strengthen and he will of suggested an amount for each position.
 
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As has been said a few times in different threads, this current Sky deal may be a peak in Prem revenue. The deal expires next year, and could be drastically lower thereafter. Could be that we are just being more rational than other clubs in covering that risk?
Mate, our TV/Prize Money for last year was a whopping £142 million!! What are you expecting it to fall to, in order to justify this caution or frugality? We've spent nothing; bought no one, despite selling 80 million pounds worth of assets! Do you really think buying Perreira represents too much of a financial risk? Do you think his suggested buy-out figure of €22 million is going to bankrupt the club?
 

ComfortablyNumb

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Mate, our TV/Prize Money for last year was a whopping £142 million!! What are you expecting it to fall to, in order to justify this caution or frugality? We've spent nothing; bought no one, despite selling 80 million pounds worth of assets! Do you really think buying Perreira represents too much of a financial risk? Do you think his suggested buy-out figure of €22 million is going to bankrupt the club?
I haven't commented on Perreira, though, have I? I responded to a comment about other clubs who "invest the vast sums of TV money whilst we don't.", and suggested a reason why we don't.
 

matty74

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Would prefer the Jeremy toljan fits the bill young and hungry and can play in different systems I think he would be cheaper and perfect for us.

I believe we have looked at this lad so you never know
 
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I haven't commented on Perreira, though, have I? I responded to a comment about other clubs who "invest the vast sums of TV money whilst we don't.", and suggested a reason why we don't.
You're absolutely right, you "haven't commented on Perreira" because you chose not to respond to my questions! And I'm merely suggesting that your "reason why we don't invest the vast amounts of TV money" doesn't necessarily stand up to the greatest amount of scrutiny. But it's all about opinions mate, and your as entitled to yours as I am to mine.
 

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Mate, our TV/Prize Money for last year was a whopping £142 million!! What are you expecting it to fall to, in order to justify this caution or frugality? We've spent nothing; bought no one, despite selling 80 million pounds worth of assets! Do you really think buying Perreira represents too much of a financial risk? Do you think his suggested buy-out figure of €22 million is going to bankrupt the club?

Spending on Perreira won't bankrupt us but each transfer is a gamble of sorts. Just because the market value has gone up, doesn't mean the chances of the player paying their way has. We might want the board to say "fuck it" and just pay the extra but there are lots of potential knock on effects.

We need to significantly raise our wage structure again over the coming year, which is expensive. We probably need to have a fair bit left over for a big spend next summer, coinciding with the new stadium's arrival. We also need to make sure we're in good shape financially for paying off the stadium. We don't currently need to sell to fund it but that's because we've been fairly prudent over the years, ending that would be especially bad now, given the timing.

I'd not trying to be all BSOL about it, we definitely should be looking to bring in players early but there are good reasons for us waiting for the market to calm down a bit. The wages one is particularly big and I don't think people appreciate just how much pressure there is on this. We're on par with midtable sides in terms of what we offer and well behind the big money clubs before we even begin to take into account the rise which will again take place over the next season. Having seen us back again last night, it was a good reminder of just how good we are. If it came down to overpaying by £6-7mill on Perreira, or spending that on new contracts for a couple of key players, I'd take the latter everytime.

That said, we seriously dropped the ball on Sessegnon. Really poor for us to let that one slip through our fingers, no excuses for Levy there.
 

thelak

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Wonder if our stadium being so over budget is hindering even getting deals like this done
 

YiddoTom90

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Would prefer the Jeremy toljan fits the bill young and hungry and can play in different systems I think he would be cheaper and perfect for us.

I believe we have looked at this lad so you never know
1 year age difference, i would prefer Peirera in all honesty.
 

matty74

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1 year age difference, i would prefer Peirera in all honesty.
I think trippier will be 1st choice no matter what and there's more chance of toljan joining and being happier playing 2nd fiddle for the time being than RP joining for a big fee and spending a lot of time on the bench .
 
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I think trippier will be 1st choice no matter what and there's more chance of toljan joining and being happier playing 2nd fiddle for the time being than RP joining for a big fee and spending a lot of time on the bench .
But Poch always likes to rotate the full backs, Matty, so I don't think Pereira would be stuck on the bench, mate.
 

GetSpurredOn

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I think trippier will be 1st choice no matter what and there's more chance of toljan joining and being happier playing 2nd fiddle for the time being than RP joining for a big fee and spending a lot of time on the bench .

But Poch always likes to rotate the full backs, Matty, so I don't think Pereira would be stuck on the bench, mate.

Also, Pereira's ability to play RWB, LWB and RW means he has plenty of scope to gametime.
 

piedpiper

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Mate, our TV/Prize Money for last year was a whopping £142 million!! What are you expecting it to fall to, in order to justify this caution or frugality? We've spent nothing; bought no one, despite selling 80 million pounds worth of assets! Do you really think buying Perreira represents too much of a financial risk? Do you think his suggested buy-out figure of €22 million is going to bankrupt the club?

I dont want us signing players for the sake of it... However when the PL winners and teams all competing for a spot in the CL positions are actively strengthening their teams. I have to question our vision as the other 5 teams want to compete and give themselves every chance at success.

Our stance/dithering is truly baffling. Like you say we dont even have to use the TV money just use the money from player sales to reinvest in making the squad stronger.
 
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