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MOTM

  • Lloris

  • Trippier

  • Toby

  • Verts

  • Davies

  • Dier

  • Dembele

  • Eriksen

  • Dele

  • Son

  • Kane

  • Sissoko

  • Winks

  • Sanchez


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JimmyG2

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Dec 7, 2006
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OK rested and had something to eat.
Now more irritated than angry.
We played as if the hoodoo fairyhad personally visited the dressing room
before the match the way we conducted ourselves.
So the ratings:
Baked potatoes..............8 ...Crisp and cooked in olive oil.
Sliced green beans........7....Fresh picked and slightly under-cooked
Veggie Burger................6.....Surpriingly taste but a little hard.

Oh The match sorry. Verts MOM(8) positive performance.
Poch(5) Not his finest hour again. Subs too late and so formulaic..
Janssen for Son earlier. Winks for Dier. New boy for Dembele .Walker for Trippier, oh sorry.

Shout out for Sissoko who wasn't worse than most
Lloris for two very good saves. All the rest meh in the extreme.
 

HW61

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Aug 31, 2012
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Verts was MOTM for me.

Think I'm getting soft with age but really didn't like the mock laughing most times sissoko touched the ball. I'm as far from a fan as there can be. But he's a Spurs player and can hardly help the team.
 

Spursh

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Jul 21, 2009
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Lloris 7

Trippier 3
Alderweireld 6
Vertonghen 7
Davies 6

Dier 6
Dembele 6

Eriksen 5
Alli 7
Son 5

Kane 6
 

BringBack_leGin

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Jul 28, 2004
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We had shitloads of chances to put the game to bed.,not Poch fault we kept missing...would you have felt the same then?

OTT reaction mate......happy birthday:)

Thanks!

I agree we had more then enough opportunity to wrap things up but the lack of imagination for 80 minutes, combined with the lunatic asylum defending in the last 10, was hard to watch. And I do blame Pochettino for a formation change which left players lost and exposed when we were in cruise control, and for really poor subs.

The good news is that Rose for Davies, Aurier for Trippier and Wanyama (fully fit) for Dier gives us the edge and directness we so sorely lacked. Signing Barkley and Lamela getting fit means that we have alternatives if Dele, Eriksen and Son are poor.
 

felmani26

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Jan 1, 2008
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I know we're all pissed off at that result but making out Trippier is the bastard lovechild of Dean Austin is getting tedious.

Had a stinker and what with Aurier's impending arrival he'll be sweating now on his position and rightly so but some of the shit labelled at him is laughable. He'll still be a player we utilise regularly this season and will contribute positively more often than not.

Bad day at the office all round - none more so than Poch in my opinion but we move on.

Big few days for the club...
 

ohtottenham!

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Aug 15, 2013
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I know we're all pissed off at that result but making out Trippier is the bastard lovechild of Dean Austin is getting tedious.

Had a stinker and what with Aurier's impending arrival he'll be sweating now on his position and rightly so but some of the shit labelled at him is laughable. He'll still be a player we utilise regularly this season and will contribute positively more often than not.

Bad day at the office all round - none more so than Poch in my opinion but we move on.

Big few days for the club...
Trippier's a solid RB, but wouldn't be a starter for any of the top 5/6 PL clubs. Aurier has the PL potential to be an upgrade on Walker. Trippier doesn't, at least for how we play and given our reliance on speedy WBs. KWP also has potential, and good that Poch's already given him some PL game time.
 

fortworthspur

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Nov 12, 2007
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we sort of deserved that. the team just settled back after our goal when they should have been able to open Burnley up.

Son and Trips were poor, Erikson was off and everyone else was more or less ok. Good appearance for Sissoko.

It took just 3 games to show why Walker started ahead of Trippier. He had no idea Wood was running in behind him. Awful for a defender.
 

cliff jones

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Aug 31, 2012
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that was one of those thankfully relatively rare Poch matchdays where we waste almost as much time as the opposition, by picking too many defensive players and encourage them to have a separate keep ball session on their own. Son was starting to make inroads on the left, so we began to recycle the ball towards Trippier, who didnt have any support... when Son went to the right Trippier kept taking his space... go figure?

In these kinds of matches, we should drop Eriksen or Dele back into the CM 2 and pick another attacking player. It seems we do need to sign one, otherwise we are a bit too predictable.

Having said all that, IF Kane brings his shooting boots we win the game by two clear goasls at least, even allowing for all the other negatives. Another canty ref as well. Booo.
 

fortworthspur

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Regardless of anything you say, replacing Walker with Trippier is the biggest downgrade we've made since the Berbatov Campbell trade.

debatable - Lamela for Bale comes to mind. But yeah, coming from a guy who defended Walker on the board for years I get your point.
 

ohtottenham!

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debatable - Lamela for Bale comes to mind. But yeah, coming from a guy who defended Walker on the board for years I get your point.
Don't think anyone thought there was any one player who could replace Bale! There are players that can replace Walker however, and Trippier isn't one of them.
 

Bus-Conductor

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Oct 19, 2004
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The AVB/Redknapp lovechild

OK, so it's taken me a while to calm down enough to type something vaguely like an appraisal of what I saw. That was nothing to do with Wembley, that was just a manifestation of all the worst ingredients of Poch, scrambled in an omelette and then puked up in our laps.

It was the cliche'd game of two halves, the first half dedicated to AVB, the second to Redknapp.

But lets be honest, we've seen similar games under Poch before, not always that bad, and not always all in the same game, but it's been coming IMO. In fact, if we go back to the beginning of last season, or even the game against Burnley at WHL last season, there were very similar tropes.


There were games last season where a couple of us were making unhappy noises about how we managed games, but because we got the rub in those games (or one of our forward players came up with some goods) it was "FFS BC or MP we won, just enjoy it blah blah" but we escaped quite a few games like today last season and it masked some repetitive failings.

And it's worth pointing out that Poch's end game tactics last week saw a similar result. he took off our LB, went with the chaos theory and came unstuck as the game got all Redknapp on him

What we have is a good collective ethos that often does a good job of pulling an invisibility blanket over some individual failings.

Alli for a start. The team do a lot of work around him, and he pops up and scores and takes the glory, and that often betrays the utter bollocks he produces for big chunks of games. I do not believe that even a goal or an assist always justifies 85 minutes of sloppy, careless, disregard for the team. The boy needs to realise just producing a moment isn't enough at this level, he has to show a bit of intellect too. Him coughing up the ball for fuck all just puts everyone around him under pressure, most of all the FB's who we know are told to bomb on, his pressing is lethargic too at times, lets people off the hook.


It's repetitive, but you cannot ignore the Dier/Dembele issue. When we need some tempo, some incision, some vim, these two are like a fucking mogadon overdose. There are times when passes are on which will break lines and channels, but these two won't make that pass unless it's close by and in their direct tunnel vision, the opposition get set and the door closes. And when our CBs have the ball, and the opposition are pressing, these two have a nasty habit of hiding behind an oppo, resulting in too many long balls being hit by the CB's and possession lost.

And then when we have the lead and a bit of safe possession is needed, these two just shrink backwards and stop wanting to play altogether. I honestly couldn't tell if we just went 3CB or Dier just went native, because with him they are very similar.

The first half was very typical of that AVB type stuff we see from Poch's Spurs a lot. The second half just got worse, the CM's hiding from the ball, the tactics and subs that were supposed to help just made things worse, how was Sissoko's inability to control and pass the ball going to help us control and see that game out ? Why the fuck was Eriksen taken off but Alli and/or Kane left on ? The combination of an inconspicuous midfield, Alli and Kane pissing away the ball with team mates bombed up, left Burnley players to run at exposed defenders and even a team as offensively shit as Burnley managed to capitalise.

And finally Trippier, who will no doubt be the scourge of the thread, primarily because he got caught the way we've seen our attacking FB's (Rose, Waller, Tripper) frequently caught with their pants down as one of our forwards is busy fucking away the ball. When we were winning 57 straight games 17-0 at the end of last season (inc Arsenal, ManU etc) with Trippier in the side there was no effigies of him being burnt. There is absolutely no doubt that offensively he's better than Walker in just about every way, but (@Mr Pink some cedage coming up) there has always been an argument to be had on whether Walker's pace and power gave him a defensive edge, allowed his body to write some wrongs that his brain rote. That may well be the case, but unlike many I don't seem to be able to obliterate the many, many fuckbombs Walker consistently dropped defensively in his own trench over the years, and was still doing it on his very last game for us. And that's ignoring Walker's favourite trick of pissing the ball away repeatedly with a poor pass or mis-control when we'd bombed forward; Trippier isn't all round wonder bread for sure, and given a season of him I might be prepared to have him tarred and feathered too, but just because he has a bad half, doesn't make everything the Walker fan boys say true, or mean his offensive edge isn't worth some small sacrifice, it's something that Poch needs to manage, just as Poch got Walker playing in a less libellous way.

And I have always been a bigger fan of KWP than both Walker and Trippier and said so many times, and picked him ahead of Tripper this week in my team for this week. Which tells you where I rank Trippier long term.

I saw this coming, said so a while back, even the ManU's, ManC's, Chelsea's and Arsenal's are struggling in this league to maintain consistent top 3 challenges, and I think we are due an iffy season, circumstances would seem to dictate it. Poch should have used this season to finally integrate the likes of KWP and Onomah, take a short term hit if necessary for a medium/long term gain. As it is he may end up achieving neither talented kid integration or league success.

For me though, the most immediate surgery needed is to our midfield, we most show more bollocks and ambition from midfield, but it must be coached and tactically managed to not be a huge compromise, but I'd still take that compromise than the compromises we have now.

Problem is, it's the only position Poch doesn't seem to be looking to strengthen, whether from home grown allotment or shop bought.

Individual.

Lloris was better this week.

Vertonghen driving forward was my MOTM


The rest - meh.
 
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fortworthspur

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Nov 12, 2007
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Poch has this stubborn idea that you always have to take the game to your opponents. Its my one criticism of him. If he tries the same approach with Madrid they will beat us 5-0. Sometimes you do have to park the bus a bit, like when your winning 1-0 on neutral ground in the last 10 minutes.
 

SugarRay

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Unfortunately I think this season might be a case of, let's get out of it as soon as possible with as little damage as posssible. Two dreadful results at the temporary gaff.
 

ohtottenham!

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The AVB/Redknapp lovechild

OK, so it's taken me a while to calm down enough to type something vaguely like an appraisal of what I saw. That was nothing to do with Wembley, that was just a manifestation of all the worst ingredients of Poch, scrambled in an omelette and then puked up in our laps.

It was the cliche'd game of two halves, the first half dedicated to AVB, the second to Redknapp.

But lets be honest, we've seen similar games under Poch before, not always that bad, and not always all in the same game, but it's been coming IMO. In fact, if we go back to the beginning of last season, or even the game against Burnley at WHL last season, there were very similar tropes.

There were games last season where a couple of us were making unhappy noises about how we managed games, but because we got the rub in those games (or one of our forward players came up with some goods) it was "FFS BC or MP we won, just enjoy it blah blah" but we escaped quite a few games like today last season and it masked some repetitive failings.

What we have is a good collective ethos that often does a good job of pulling an invisibility blanket over some individual failings.

Alli for a start. The team do a lot of work around him, and he pops up and scores and takes the glory, and that often betrays the utter bollocks he produces for big chunks of games. I do not believe that even a goal or an assist always justifies 85 minutes of sloppy, careless, disregard for the team. The boy needs to realise just producing a moment isn't enough at this level, he has to show a bit of intellect too. Him coughing up the ball for fuck all just puts everyone around him under pressure, most of all the FB's who we know are told to bomb on, his pressing is lethargic too at times, lets people off the hook.


It's repetitive, but you cannot ignore the Dier/Dembele issue. When we need some tempo, some incision, some fix, these two are like a fucking mogadon overdose. There are times when passes are on which will break lines and channels, but these two won't make that pass unless it's close by and in their direct tunnel vision, the opposition get set and the door closes. And when our CBs have the ball, and the opposition are pressing, these two have a nasty habit of hiding behind an oppo, resulting in too many long balls being hit by the CB's and possession lost.

And then when we have the end and a bit of safe possession is needed, these two just shrink backwards and stop wanting to play altogether. I honestly couldn't tell if we just went 3CB or Dier just went native, because with him they are very similar.

The first half was very typical of that AVB type stuff we see from Poch's Spurs a lot. The second half just got worse, the CM's hiding from the ball, the tactics and subs that were supposed to help just made things worse, how was Sissoko's inability to control and pass the ball going to help us control and see that game out ? Why the fuck was Eriksen taken off but Alli and/or Kane left on ? The combination of an inconspicuous midfield, Alli and Kane pissing away the ball with team mates bombed up, left Burnley players to run at exposed defenders and even a team as offensively shit as Burnley managed to capitalise.

And finally Trippier, who will no doubt be the scourge of the thread, primarily because he got caught the way we've seen our attacking FB's (Rose, Waller, Tripper) frequently caught with their pants down as one of our forwards is busy fucking away the ball. When we were winning 57 straight games 17-0 at the end of last season (inc Arsenal, ManU etc) with Trippier in the side there was no effigies of him being burnt. There is absolutely no doubt that offensively he's better than Walker in just about every way, but (@Mr Pink some cedage coming up) there has always been an argument to be had on whether Walker's pace and power gave him a defensive edge, allowed his body to write some wrongs that his brain rote. That may well be the case, but unlike many I don't seem to be able to obliterate the many, many fuckbombs Walker consistently dropped defensively in his own trench over the years, and was still doing it on his very last game for us. And that's ignoring Walker's favourite trick of pissing the ball away repeatedly with a poor pass or mis-control when we'd bombed forward; Trippier isn't all round wonder bread for sure, and given a season of him I might be prepared to have him tarred and feathered too, but just because he has a bad half, doesn't make everything the Walker fan boys say true, or mean his offensive edge isn't worth some small sacrifice, that Poch needs to manage, just as Poch got Walker playing in a less libellous way.

And I have always been a bigger fan of KWP than both Walker and Trippier and said so many times, and picked him ahead of Tripper this week in my team for.

I saw this coming, said so a while back, even the ManU's, ManC's, Chelsea's and Arsenal's are struggling in this league to maintain consistent top 3 challenges, and I think we are due an iffy season, circumstances would seem to dictate it. Poch should have used this season to finally integrate the likes of KWP and Onomah, take a short term hit if necessary for a medium/long term gain. As it is he may end up achieving neither talented kid integration or league success.

For me though, the most immediate surgery needed is to our midfield, we most show more bollocks and ambition from midfield, but it must be coached and tactically managed to not be a huge compromise, but I'd still take that compromise than the compromises we have now.

Individual.

Lloris was better this week.

Vertonghen driving forward was my MOTM


The rest - meh.
Lol! So, the line is...you were always pushing KWP as opposed to Trips? The way I read it was you were always anti-Kyle Walker, and you actually didn't care who would replace him. We have about a hundred match ratings threads in which you've said as much!
 

Bus-Conductor

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Lol! So, the line is...you were always pushing KWP as opposed to Trips? The way I read it was you were always anti-Kyle Walker, and you actually didn't care who would replace him. We have about a hundred match ratings threads in which you've said as much!

Those two things aren't entirely true or necessarily mutually exclusive.
 
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HobbitSpur

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Jun 28, 2013
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Agree on KWP, he showed everything he could possibly have needed to and was dropped. Doesn't make sense to me.

Agree to a certain extent, but hindsight is a wonderful thing. KWP had a great debut but still made some errors against Newcastle. A lot on here are treating him like the Messiah but he could very quickly become a very naughty boy with a couple of meh games.

I do rate the kid but lets not put the weight of losing walker on his shoulders, it could break him before he even gets started.

He has the potential to be a very good RWB but he needs time. I trust 100% in the way Poch is bringing the youth into the team and if he thinks KWP is not ready at this moment in time then I am in agreement.

The argument is not why are we not playing KWP over Trippier every week, it is why we haven't replaces Walker adequately.

Oh and Happy Birthday @BringBack_leGin
 
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