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Fredo

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I do think the significance of the Ndombele signing is being massively downplayed here. For me he does improve us considerably. It was a pretty awesome signing. If anything the vastly improved Sissoko was our Dembele replacement already, so Ndombele really does add to the squad. 'Dembele replacement' doesn't quite sit right for me.

Sessegnon brings extra to the squad too, no doubt about it. Providing Rose stays for another year.

Add another big talent like Lo Celso or Bruno and that brings some freshness and new life into the squad for sure. Both and we would really be in business.

Totally get the frustration though, does feel like the perfect timing to really push the boat out, even if it meant tightening our belts for a year or two after (see Liverpool).
Sissoko is not a Dembele replacement, Ndombele is. Therefore we haven't added
 

hatch

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He may well be but I doubt he gets to decide what we're willing to pay for any given player.


Well from what I read about the car and the money changing story, it seems that he does. Only going by the tweets and replies he has posted.
 

Spurrific

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Poch has worked miracles certainly, but its been steady progress for the last 18 years and there’s only been one constant during that time period. I agree we should back Poch as much as we can but I also trust Levy’s judgement. I’m just pretty fed up of the abuse we give our own chairman to be honest and I sometimes wonder whether we deserve him.

Bound to be unpopular with the doom mongers and not a conversation for this thread really.

He’s the highest paid chairman in the league, I’m sure he cries himself to sleep at night thinking about what the poor ****s that line his pockets think of him.

Also, getting pretty tedious this “doom-monger” shite. Just because we’re not all deluded happy clappers with our heads in the sand, doesn’t mean we think the end is nigh.
 
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jimmyh

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Sess coming in is a signing for the future I think it showed last year he wasn't ready for the PL just yet.
To not get some more quality into the squad with our stock so high with the new stadium and champions league finalists I think is just criminal on Levys part.

I think poch will be out the door at the first opportunity and you can't say he hasn't warned us.

Once again Levy has fucked us over on the football side if Ali Z is right.
 

Indisguise

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Well from what I read about the car and the money changing story, it seems that he does. Only going by the tweets and replies he has posted.
I didn't infer that at all but perfectly happy to accept that's your interpretation of it.
 

Darth Vega

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I do think the significance of the Ndombele signing is being massively downplayed here. For me he does improve us considerably. It was a pretty awesome signing. If anything the vastly improved Sissoko was our Dembele replacement already, so Ndombele really does add to the squad. 'Dembele replacement' doesn't quite sit right for me.

Sessegnon brings extra to the squad too, no doubt about it. Providing Rose stays for another year.

Add another big talent like Lo Celso or Bruno and that brings some freshness and new life into the squad for sure. Both and we would really be in business.

Totally get the frustration though, does feel like the perfect timing to really push the boat out, even if it meant tightening our belts for a year or two after (see Liverpool).

Agree on Ndombele, but we're also one injury to him away from being in the exact same position we were last season.

He could break a bone against Villa on Saturday and then we'd be totally, utterly screwed.

It's currently not a squad capable of matching Pochettino's ambitions.

What's so unbelievably frustrating is that we're only one player away (if Eriksen stays, two if he goes) from really challenging.

We're so close, yet we look like we're going to fall at the last hurdle.
 

spud

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The two prospective deals for Fernandes and GLC seem to be following the same pattern of most of our recent targets - the selling club have a clear idea of the value and we seem to dither about for months not offering close and then not really have any alternative targets. If we won't pay their value, why waste our time chasing unobtainable players. I understand the need to negotiate these prices down, but we seem to be repeating past mistakes.
All of the ITK regarding Lo Celso is that we have agreed a DEAL - not just a price, a deal - with Betis on three separate occasions, and each time they then imposed new terms. So not only have we 'offered close' to what they want, we have offered exectly what they want.

Poch’s biggest strength as a coach is his ability to improve players. I find it strange that he is apparently so adamant about having a small list of players he wants.
He wants to win. He could be the best coach in the world but without players of sufficient quality - who can then be improved with good coaching - the team still won't reach the standard that it needs to be in order to win the Premier League and Champions League. It's understandable that he wants good quality players who he has identified in bringing what he wants to the team.

Consequently, he may well be inflexible in having a small list of players. He has earned the right to be inflexible.

However, when it proves impossible to obtain players from that small list, he doesn't have the right to throw his toys out of the pram. He knows what is happening with our proposed transfers. If the ITK is correct and Betis have acted as we believe, then he won't be justified in being pissed off at Levy for not getting who he wanted; or in walking as a consequence.
 

EJWTartanSpur

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If you engage your brain and look at this unique transfer window situation you would realise that any European club that is involved in any form of protracted negotiation with us, would be absolutely mad to not take it to the wire. Most importantly, it’s only our wire, and they have the benefit of three weeks afterwards to conduct business with the money they may receive.

This window, more than any other window that has existed in modern times, dictates that it’s in the likes of Betis’ interest to string us along until Thursday. We will be on the brink with our various ongoing deals and most likely to put together an offer that will be our best yet, and all the while the other side of the table will have the benefit of three extra weeks.

It’s a fair assertion/tactic to make by any clubs outside of the UK and it’s why, despite the nagging familiar feeling about all of this, I’m willing to wait to see how this all plays out
 

Timberwolf

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I have a bad feeling that if we do finally drop out of the top 4 that's when we'll suddenly see the pursestrings loosen.

Look at what Everton are doing - trying to bludgeon their way into the top 4 with signings. We did the exact same thing 10 years ago.

Relative to our income, we've never invested anything close to that in the squad since.
 

Trotter

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I see where JJ is coming from with the £100m comment.

If we add GLC and Sessegnon this week to Ndombele and Clarke, we are probably ending the window with a net spend of over £100m. That is huge for us considering recent history. I think we'd all have taken that at the start of the window.

Can the club afford to gamble on GLC and Bruno with the risk Eriksen could see his last year out? I think we'd all like to see the club be bold but it's a big ask.

I said at the start of the window replacing Eriksen with Ndombele and Lo Celso was about as good as we hope for, and right now I'd take that. Gutting after how things were developing this summer but sometimes it's good to take a step back. If JJ says they are possible then there's still hope yet.

The caveat is if we sell Eriksen to Utd (for an extra £10-20m). If that happens then Levy needs to pull something big out of the bag because #&$% strengthening Utd.

£100m is minimal, compared to what we really should potentially be spending. That will be roughly £20m hit to our profits once amortised for the purchases, and a massive further profit on disposal of assets for the sales, as book value on Eriksen and Trippier will be significantly less than sale value.

To be honest, on the back of record profits, and then subsequent Champions League Final run and announcing the new sponsorship which will bring in another £ 40m per annum to more than cover any wage increases for both new and current players.

Like any business to advance, you need to re-invest the profits (be it in new technology, operational improvements or in our case new players), we don't seem to be willing to do that.

It does seem that we are happy to keep the status quo (aim for a Top 4 finish, bin the cups, have a CL run) instead of advancing.
 

freeeki

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We’ve just reached the Champions League final, our captain lifted the World Cup 12 months ago, we have world class training facilities, one of the greatest stadiums in the world, and a manager who would be considered good enough to manage any club in world football.

Our stock has never been higher, our wage structure has recently changed, and we’ve never been a more attractive club for top players to come and join.

Very clear that the likes of Lo Celso and Fernandes want to come; if we go into the season having only signed Ndombele and Sessegnon then I fully believe we’ll lose Pochettino during the season, and Vertonghen at the end of it.
 

SpartanSpur

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Agree on Ndombele, but we're also one injury to him away from being in the exact same position we were last season.

He could break a bone against Villa on Saturday and then we'd be totally, utterly screwed.

It's currently not a squad capable of matching Pochettino's ambitions.

What's so unbelievably frustrating is that we're only one player away (if Eriksen stays, two if he goes) from really challenging.

We're so close, yet we look like we're going to fall at the last hurdle.

I can't disagree with that.
 

Timberwolf

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We’ve just reached the Champions League final, our captain lifted the World Cup 12 months ago, we have world class training facilities, one of the greatest stadiums in the world, and a manager who would be considered good enough to manage any club in world football.

Our stock has never been higher, our wage structure has recently changed, and we’ve never been a more attractive club for top players to come and join.

Very clear that the likes of Lo Celso and Fernandes want to come; if we go into the season having only signed Ndombele and Sessegnon then I fully believe we’ll lose Pochettino during the season, and Vertonghen at the end of it.
And if we don't adequately replace Poch and slip out of the top 4, suddenly Son, Kane & co will seriously start doubting their futures at the club, we'll be less attractive to prospective signings and we'll have a 2/3rds full stadium in the Europa League.

The opportunity cost of not backing Poch this summer is absolutely huge.
 

KingKay

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He’s the highest paid chairmen in the league, I’m sure he cries himself to sleep at night thinking about what the poor ****s that line his pockets think of him.

Also, getting pretty tedious this “doom-monger” shite. Just because we’re not all deluded happy clappers with our heads in the sand, doesn’t mean we think the end is nigh.
You think people claiming Poch will leave isn’t doom mongering?

Ok we’ll leave it there, not much point debating with you really if that’s your viewpoint (y)
 
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Hercules

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The talk (again!) is that everything is agreed with GLC now. It is now about us fitting all the moving parts, as other potential signings (Sess) involved, along with BF & CE.

For the record, as I saw on another post. We did not move the goalposts with Betis, and adding another 1m loan fee. Truth is, they messed us around for so long, with broken promises, and excuses.

Let’s ?, rather than going ‘ape-shit’ over every ‘Twatter’ and investigating their authenticity. I know how the pressers works, and just because it comes from the ‘non-popular’ masses, it does not really devalue their credibility.

Let’s wait until the end of the window. And every ITK have different connections, and therefore hear different things. My nads will be fine either way. COYS!!!
 

SpartanSpur

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Sissoko is not a Dembele replacement, Ndombele is. Therefore we haven't added

Of course he was. He filled the void that the broken Dembele left when he went to China. So it's an improvement on last season. If Ndombele is the replacement of the Dembele from 2-3 years ago them we have now replaced him and added a transformed Sissoko, therefore better off than 2 seasons ago.

I totally get the frustrations with this window but Ndombele was a significant deal, yet some are making out like it was just standing still!

You can appreciate the good work already done and want more at the same time.
 

Alex4487

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The talk (again!) is that everything is agreed with GLC now. It is now about us fitting all the moving parts, as other potential signings (Sess) involved, along with BF & CE.

For the record, as I saw on another post. We did not move the goalposts with Betis, and adding another 1m loan fee. Truth is, they messed us around for so long, with broken promises, and excuses.

Let’s ?, rather than going ‘ape-shit’ over every ‘Twatter’ and investigating their authenticity. I know how the pressers works, and just became it comes from the ‘non-popular’ masses, it does not really devalue their credibility.

Let’s wait until the end of the window. And every ITK have different connections, and therefore hear different things. My nads will be fine either way. COYS!!!
My lord and saviour thank you for thr calming words. Your nads may have taken one hell of a beating by the time thursday comes around
 

Amo

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Won't kick off until we see how the window shakes out - who knows, the club could still salvage this and make this one of our best transfer windows ever (albeit, my gut instinct is that they won't do the necessary) - but if Ali's info turns out to be right and we only sign Ndombele and Sessegnon (not counting Clarke away on loan) then Levy will be guilty of dereliction of duty, IMO, real 'falling asleep at the wheel' incompetence.

Last summer we had the arguments that Pochettino didn't want alternatives and so it's possible he might have been just as much the reason why Summer 2018 was the disaster it was, but in the interviews that Poch has given in the last year and since moving into the new ground about wanting to do things differently, then it will be clear to me that if Ali turns out to be correct the only blockage in the system can be Levy and the board. And in those circumstances I wouldn't care whether it's lack of desire or lack of ability to get the deals done: we simply need a management team that can bring in players who at very least prevent our squad from getting worse, with the not unreasonable expectation of bringing in players who actually make our squad better.

Like I say, all bets are off until the window closes, but if Ali is right and we see questionable changes this summer following the clusterfuck of last year, then for me there will be nowhere to hide for Levy and the board, and no excuses will justify charging the highest ticket prices in the world whilst not being able to deliver a squad commensurate with those premium prices.

Come on, Spurs, don't fuck this one up: we all want you to get it right.

100%

And this isn't about buying three 70m players in a week. There's still plenty of value to be had that would at least keep the club in statis with regards to relative standing.

The utter state grown men get into over transfers. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

I'm pretty sure outside of their time on the forum most people don't cry over transfers. We're discussing it because that's why we're here.
 

Finchyid

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Those who are spending over a grand on a season ticket have the right to feel they should be entertained.

I spend £1200 to support the club i love through thick and thin...personally if we dont sign another player i wont be bothered cos i am looking forward to seeing Tanguy
 
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